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  1. 5 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

    Because the corona virus, if allowed to expand unabated, will not kill 14 to 60 thousand Americans. It will kill many more. And by many, I mean it quite literally has the potential to kill over one million Americans over the next two years. And it has the potential to hospitalize millions more. Even using very conservative estimates, the corona virus will likely kill 200,000 Americans over the next year or two.  You know how China slowed it (slowed, not stopped)? A massive quarantine of 75 million people and an almost complete halt to their economy. You know how South Korea has contained it so far? Massive testing of thousands per day, quarantines, and even then they have areas where their very good healthcare system is currently overrun. You know how Italy contained it? No, no you don't, because they haven't been able to and are overwhelmed. How about Iran? 

    Seriously, you're willful ignorance and blindness here is fucking amazing. It it worse than the flu, much worse. Stop comparing it to the flu. 

    Show your work

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  2. 2 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

    And Italy was doing more to stop it at 50 confirmed cases than we are doing at 1,000.

    Why are deaths from coronavirus so high in Italy?

    https://www.livescience.com/why-italy-coronavirus-deaths-so-high.html#xenforo-comments-1250

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    By Rachael Rettner - Senior Writer a day ago

    Italy now has the highest number of deaths from COVID-19 outside of mainland China.

    Deaths from the new coronavirus in Italy have soared in recent days, with the country reporting 463 total fatalities from the virus, out of 9,172 confirmed cases, as of Monday (March 9). But why are deaths in the country so high?

    Outside of mainland China, Italy now has the highest number of deaths in the world from COVID-19, the disease caused by the new coronavirus. And the country's fatality rate from COVID-19 — at 5% — is much higher than the global average of 3.4%, according to the World Health Organization. 

    One factor affecting the country's death rate may be the age of its population — Italy has the oldest population in Europe, with about 23% of residents 65 or older, according to The New York Times. The median age in the country is 47.3, compared with 38.3 in the United States, the Times reported. Many of Italy's deaths have been among people in their 80s, and 90s, a population known to be more susceptible to severe complications from COVID-19, according to The Local.

    Related: Live updates on COVID-19

    The overall mortality rate is always going to depend on the demographics of a population, said Aubree Gordon, an associate professor of epidemiology at the University of Michigan. In this case, the reported mortality rate is not "age standardized," which is a way to adjust for the underlying demographics of a population, she said.

    Given Italy's older population, "you would expect their mortality rate to be higher on average, all else being held equal," compared with a country with a younger population, Gordon told Live Science.

    In addition, as people age, the chances of developing at least one condition that weakens their immune system — such as cancer or diabetes — increases, said Krys Johnson, an epidemiologist at the Temple University College of Public Health. Such conditions also make people more susceptible to severe illness from coronavirus, she said.

    Another issue may be the number of people in a given area who require medical care — having a lot of severely ill people in a single region could potentially overwhelm the medical system, Gordon said. She noted that this was likely the case in Wuhan, China, where the coronavirus outbreak began and which saw the majority of COVID-19 cases in China. A recent report from WHO found that the fatality rate was 5.8% in Wuhan, compared with 0.7% in the rest of the country, Live Science previously reported.

    Finally, the country may not be catching many of the mild cases of COVID-19. Often, as testing expands within a community, more mild cases are found, which lowers the overall death rate, Gordon said. This was the case in South Korea, which conducted more than 140,000 tests and found a fatality rate of 0.6%, according to Business Insider.

    "We probably don't know how many people have actually become infected," Johnson said. People with more mild symptoms, or those who are younger, may not be going to get tested, she said. Johnson suspects that the true fatality rate in Italy is closer to the global fatality rate of 3.4%.

    Italy has conducted a substantial number of tests — more than 42,000 as of Saturday (March 7), according to Al Jazeera. However there is likely "quite a sizeable outbreak" in the area, which would need even more testing to identify, Gordon said.

     

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  3. 1 hour ago, Beantown Express 2.0 said:

    So I was at a conference tonight with a few hundred people and let’s just say most of the people at this event seem to be Republican/Trump supporters.  I refused to shake anybody’s hands tonight because of the corona virus.  I was doing the elbow bump thing.  I was looked at like I am crazy and told by numerous people that this corona virus is no big deal and it’s just a cold and the media is making it worse than it is.  One of the guys told me he is 68 with diabetes and heart problems and will continue running around the country and he is not worried about corona virus because its just a way to hurt his president and nothing else.  Am I being too cautious in not shaking hands and bathing in hand sanitizer at this point?

    Trump actually is behind the coronavirus pandemic, just like Bush steered Hurricane Katrina into New Orleans in 2005. Motherfuckers.

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  4. 3 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

    It is a goddamn statement from the mother fucking President about the virus. In what fucking universe does it not belong here? 

     

    4 hours ago, immamac said:

    Next person who says a politicians fucking name in this god damned thread is getting a week off.

    DO NOT SAY POLITICIANS NAMES, DO NOT USE POLITICAL PARTIES AS QUALIFIERS OR ADJECTIVES - USE THEIR CURRENT POSITION IN GOVERNMENT ONLY

    Examples:
    Trump is such a dumbass and got us into this stupid mess and all the democrats that enabled him along the way are fucking part of the problem too!

    BANNED

    Our POTUS is such a dumbass and got us into this stupid mess and THE SENATE AND HIS CABINET MEMBERS enabled them along the way - the whole government is a mess!

    NOT BANNED

     

    see above

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  5. 2 minutes ago, Liquor and Poker said:

    I honestly am not seeing all that much CR unless you think “I think the President is downplaying this to a dangerous degree” and “the government is mishandling this IMO” are CR-worthy comments.  There have been some CR-worthy takes here and there, but not much. 
     

    I’m curious how much of this “take it to CR” shit is really “I disagree and I don’t want to argue about it.”

    Go read utee94's post on page 183. The surly hive mind/group think is in full effect on this entire thread.

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  6. 5 minutes ago, LurkingHorn said:

    Can you explain why for a simpleton? Obviously demand isn’t going to be going up so I’m trying to understand what is going to happen which causes a reversal for NG. 

    Lower oil prices = less unconventional oil wells = less produced associated natural gas

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