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4 hours ago, PGFrog said:
As my wife would tell our kids when they were young, use your words.
Formatting doing odd things yesterday. I didn't know how to do subscripts and did them without trying!!!
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I've pointed out there are 20 schools who have dominated the top of the rankings going all the way back to 1960. Of those 18 with 50% of the viewers, only Wisconsin isn't among those top 20. And the 3 who aren't have been in a slump. Nebraska and Miami, obviously, were well down most of that period. Also Colorado, who was 20th of the 20, was really, really down. Although coach Prime has gotten CU some attention, at least for a while.
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Some performance specs, fb & bb: W L % ranked NCAA sweet 16 SMU 74 63 54.0% 2 2 0 Washington St. 74 58 56.1% 2 1 0 Boise St. 106 36 74.6% 5 4 0 San Diego St. 86 53 61.9% 1 7 2 Oregon St. 51 79 39.2% 2 2 1 Fresno St. 64 63 50.4% 1 1 0 Colorado St. 58 71 45.0% 0 3 0 UNLV 49 82 37.4% 1 0 0 Memphis 99 43 69.7% 3 3 0 Connecticut 36 87 29.3% 0 6 2 USF 62 72 46.3% 0 0 0 Temple 62 72 46.3% 2 2 0 East Carolina 54 78 40.9% 0 0 0 Tulane 69 71 49.3% 1 0 0 -
Games on rated networks, average rating per Sic-Em analysis (2013-2021) (note that ratings are calculated on 36 games-schools with less than 36 are not officially ranked), 4 year average attendance, revenues, MSA population, Population in state per P4 school (assuming school moves up). For reference, I've included ACC and Big 12 averages and medians and SMU, the last school to move up. You can see why nobody else has been invited.
rating 4 yr att revenue Average B12 2.069 47,269 125,041,940 Median B12 2.031 47,830 121,080,103 Average ACC 2.468 44,808 146,079,157 Median ACC 2.08 41,353 139,458,791 games rating 4 yr att revenue MSA pop million/P4 in state 45 SMU 0.728 25,853 99,506,414 8,344,032 4,470,119 West 56 Wash. St. 1.905 24,960 89,041,553 48,399 3,979,090 72 Boise St. 1.258 35,726 59,885,466 845,877 2,001,619 40 Oregon St. 1.214 33,698 120,225,018 98,899 2,136,186 33 Fresno St. 0.697 38,256 55,761,420 1,189,557 7,886,253 22 Colorado St. 0.605 28,395 50,262,504 374,574 2,978,747 28 SDSU 0.522 22,542 83,949,123 3,298,799 7,886,253 20 UNLV 0.307 25,083 65,376,772 2,398,871 3,267,467 East 52 Memphis 1.257 27,956 62,737,618 1,339,345 2,409,250 48 USF 1.103 33,122 95,425,212 3,424,566 4,674,443 42 Temple 0.891 16,527 70,320,170 6,330,422 4,359,584 37 E. Carolina 0.56 37,057 65,211,957 180,783 2,209,325 31 Uconn 0.571 21,704 91,800,871 1,169,048 3,675,069 35 Tulane 0.419 20,962 39,305,494 966,230 2,298,870 -
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On 6/20/2025 at 1:50 PM, Al_4_ISU said:
Why is ECU in the spot they're in?
They have probably the biggest fanbase of a remaining G5 school. Their stadium wouldn't be the smallest in any P4 league. They've shown you can win there.
But they've never ever even been close to being a candidate to move up in the world. Just always seemed a little weird to me.
Lousy basketball. Small market. 4 P schools already in NC. And they really haven't been very good in football lately. Since 2014, beginning of CFP era, they are 54-78.
Their TV ratings are #75 of the 75 schools who met the criteria (36 rated games over 9 years) in the Sic-Em TV analysis for 2013-2021.
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On 6/16/2025 at 11:51 AM, PGFrog said:
I agree with much of what you are saying, but I don't think in the end the driver of all these decisions will be the conferences.
If you are the networks, why pay for schools that don't bring market shares when you know that the big schools have already shown a willingness to jump for the money.
I understand that the SEC and Big 10 will say they are subject to the same rules and temptations as what caused other schools to jump, but my response is simply not yet.
Said it before on this board, but I don't see the networks willing to pay for 60 schools for example when they can get consolidate down and in the end they are the ones who are going to drive these changes yet again and not the schools.
Fox 2
FS1 3
ABC 2
ESPN 3
ESPN 2 3
CBS 1
NBC 1
BTN 3
SECN 3
That's at least 21 slots for 42 schools. And some will be off any given week with 2 byes, so that really gets you to a minimum of 48 schools. And then there is room for late nights, TH nights, F nights and the ACCN. Plenty of room for 60-72 schools.
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9 hours ago, bolverk said:
cachet (pronounced cash-ay): prestige
cache (pronounced cash): hidden stuff
Well with paying exit fees and poaching fees, they probably won't have a cache either!
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On 5/18/2025 at 2:43 PM, BurntOrange&White said:
Cal and Stanford is the reason the PAC imploded to begin with. Dumb mother fuckers.
Well Stanford is the reason Texas and probably Colorado didn't join the Pac in 1990.
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On 5/18/2025 at 6:55 AM, Al_4_ISU said:
I don’t think that’s why Boise was left out of the Big 12. The 3 G5 schools that got called up are in major media markets that are also recruiting hot beds.
Boise isn’t that big of a market, and does not produce much high school talent.
Boise has had far more success than any G school and is a better TV draw. Yet they really didn't get serious consideration either time. And they weren't taken seriously because of academics.
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On 5/16/2025 at 4:22 PM, jimmyjazz said:
I am actually gruntled when I see less-than-blueblood programs, particularly from Texas (like Tech and SMU) working the NIL game and getting better. It has no effect on us save maybe the random recruiting battle we might lose.
A&M could be on fire and I wouldn't piss on 'em. I revel in their failure.
I don't know why anyone would be happy for SMU.
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On 5/15/2025 at 11:13 AM, utee94 said:
I like relegation in theory.
The biggest problem with relegation in college athletics is: Why would any of the have-not schools opt for a system that puts them further at a disadvantage? And then, why would any of the have schools opt for a system that puts them at risk of becoming a have-not, if the ball bounces funny a few times? Nobody's going to vote for relegation.
This is why a full breakaway is more likely than relegation/promotion.
I think copying soccer on anything is stupid.
No relegation. No giving extra guaranteed bids in the playoffs to the SEC and Big Ten.
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On 5/13/2025 at 4:57 PM, 'stache said:
I can see even big schools wanting a limit of sorts. Every dollar a donor gives for payroll is money that isn't going elsewhere like facilities and yes academics. That's the strangest part of this new world to me, donors making huge donations for one year mercenary contracts. I gotta say as much as I love my alma mater I'm not sure I'd be up for giving millions every year just for one year of a player's salaries. At least the coach is a single person with a long term contract.
That's really the issue as far as the schools are concerned.
That plus you have essentially legal bagmen. Certain schools will be able to compete on that.
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On 5/11/2025 at 12:33 PM, Hayduke said:
Virtually impossible to comment on this thread without going CR, but I will say that Saban is an enigma to me. On the minus side, there's primarily his association with Bama and what appears to be some hypocrisy on his part regarding NIL, but it's a pretty damn complex problem and therefore difficult to judge.
Also a minus is that it's exceedingly difficult to trust any power structure, and he just aligned with the structure when he's supposed to be "retired," whatever that means -- and I'm not going to trust anyone in that kind of role who's also paid to be a talking head.
On the plus side, he appears to have some ability to poke fun at himself, and for a guy with such a deadpan personality he milks it for everything it's worth. So I gotta respect that, too.
Nah, just got a bunch of people who can't control themselves. But then it IS Surly.
You could just comment on Saban or how the commission can't make any laws.
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10 minutes ago, John80 said:
Cal and Stanford's academic rankings means absolutely nothing in the athletics world which is why they had to beg for a bargain basement offer in a conference on the other side of the country. And in athletics I mean football, football and football. The Big Ten supposedly cares a lot about academics but the reality is they accepted Nebraska (when they were relevant in football) and rejected Cal and Stanford so it's clear what actually matters.
Well even with SMU buying the way in for the 3 of them, it was only their academics that got them included in that deal.
It matters on the margins. its one of the reasons Boise never got serious Big 12 consideration.
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$165 million in 2026 decreasing by $18 million a year.
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FSU/Clemson/ACC settlement near.
"The ACC board of directors is scheduled to hold a call Tuesday to go over the settlement terms. In addition, Florida State has called a board meeting to present the terms at noon ET Tuesday, and Clemson plans to do the same. All three boards must agree to the settlement for it to move forward, but sources throughout the league expect a deal to be reached.
According to sources, the settlement includes two key objectives: establishing a new revenue-distribution model based on viewership and a change in the financial penalties for exiting the league's grant of rights before its conclusion in June 2036....
Although the settlement will not make substantive changes to the grant of rights, it is expected that there will be declining financial penalties for schools that exit before 2036, with the steepest decreases coming after 2030 -- something that would apply to any ACC school, not just Clemson and Florida State.
The specific financial figures for schools to get released from the grant of rights were not readily available. But the total cost to exit the league after the 2029-30 season is expected to drop below $100 million, sources said...."
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On 1/31/2025 at 10:22 AM, utee94 said:
Big Ten Courts Private Equity Investment, Retains Evercore
Is there anything that Private Equity doesn't improve??
The Big Ten Conference is taking preliminary bids from private equity firms despite past comments from commissioner Tony Petitti questioning the upside of involving institutional capital in college sports.
According to multiple people familiar with the situation, the conference previously retained investment bank Evercore, which solicited a first round of indicative offers from PE firms this week, just before a key deadline in the House v. NCAA antitrust lawsuit that could fundamentally change the economics of intercollegiate athletics.
“To better support its 18 member institutions, the conference is evaluating potential strategic partnerships in order to enhance the conference’s event, sponsorship and other ancillary business endeavors,” a Big Ten spokesperson told Sportico in an email, while declining to provide additional details. A representative from Evercore did not respond to a request for comment.
If its like IMG and taking over conference tournaments (basketball, baseball, softball, tennis, etc.), I can see it. I can't see it being a good thing beyond that.
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FSU/Clemson talk not going away. As mentioned above, ESPN extends. Going to try to improve those ND ratings by more FSU/Clemson/Miami games. Allocate more money on performance. And possibly shorten the GOR.
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On 1/28/2025 at 9:30 PM, gatormarc said:
Crazy that Colorado had more big games than Notre Dame.
Other than their 4 playoff games (all top 10), Notre Dame only had 2 others in the top 100.
CU was involved in 2 of the 5 games that were not all P4 matchups, vs. NDSU and Colorado St. The others were Army-Navy, Notre Dame's loss to NIU and the MWC CCG Boise vs. UNLV.
CU also had the highest regular season game not in a "prime" slot (Saturday 12/4/8 or TG Friday 12/4/8). That NDSU game was #60. There were only 3 of those games that made the top 100 and one was Labor Day Monday (BC-FSU).
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1 hour ago, The_Great_Hornsby said:
This was my complaint of the night and it turned the game. All the other flags I can live with. But the entire game changed when the refs decided to fuck over the Bills on that 4th down call.
The coach blew the game. I was saying how stupid it was going for 2 in the first half. If he had gone for 1, it would have been tied 31-31 at the end of regulation.
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Texas has a new team high 3.27 GPA. I guess Sark has figured out how to keep players eligible.
"...The previous high came during the Tom Herman era, so clearly, Sarkisian has been able to elevate the program in all facets. According to Heather Dinich of ESPN, the team's GPA has gone up in each season that Sarkisian has been in Austin.
In a May report, Dinich revealed that in Sarkisian's first season, when they finished 5-7, the Longhorns had a team GPA of 2.33. Both numbers saw a slight increase the following year as the team's record jumped to 8-5, while the GPA grew to 2.78. In 2023, the Longhorns went 12-2 and posted a GPA of 2.98.
Based on this trend, Texas fans should expect more wins and maybe even higher GPAs in 2025."
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1 hour ago, Navin R. Johnson said:
I’m happy for Blue. He was clutch in the playoffs.
I just hope he's ready. But then maybe they will draft him just for his speed.
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Realignment talk not going away
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Boise St. can prove they can do math, unlike AAU schools like Utah, Arizona, Colorado, Wisconsin, Michigan etc. who are in the Big 12 and Big 10.
Its not like the Pac 12 name has been around long. Only around a dozen years. It was Pac 10 for about 35 years. Just make it the PAC with the same logo, but no numbers.