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  1. I don't have access to the Athletic, but someone was quoting it quoting the FSU lawsuit.  Apparently ESPN had until 2021 to exercise its option to extend the ACC contract from 2027 to 2036.  ESPN has not guaranteed an extension of the contract.  Commissioner Phillips extended  their option to 2025 without getting the required 2/3 vote of the membership.  So its possible ESPN can't simply extend the current contract at the current rate to 2036.  The contract would be out to market.  That is one of their arguments that the ACC has not acted in the interests of its members.  (note-I'm not getting into all the legal stuff about whether ESPN could rely on Phillips approving it-that's a different issue).  Since there was no guarantee of a contract past 2027, that is another of FSU's arguments.  There was not sufficient consideration for extending the GOR to 2036.

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  2. 8 hours ago, TrashMaster G said:

    Question for the Surly legal eagles: How is signing a contract that you are not allowed to keep a copy of not crazy or shady af?

    And with multiple public institutions as signatories, would it not still be subject to FOIA requests?

    Not only that, they can't take a photograph or copy verbatim from the agreement!  Guess the lawyers sent people with good memories.  I remember a few years back the Clemson or GT AD was complaining they didn't even know what the future payouts were going to be.  Not a lawyer, but a CPA.  Its downright bizarre.  Never heard of anything like it where one party was not allowed a copy of a contract.  That's the type of thing that would kill the ACC if it were a jury trial.

  3. 2 hours ago, Texas Wahoo said:

    I think the question is whether those conferences are going to be willing to take FSU with the risk of potential law suits.  I doubt this all gets settled in the next couple of years.

    Nobody will take them until this is resolved.  But I'm pretty sure they've had discussions with university presidents who have said, "of course you will be invited---after you get out."

  4. 4 hours ago, 'stache said:

    As a lawyer, I think $570M to get out of a media contract is excessive and possibly an unenforceable liquidated damages clause. I think it's more than lashing out. It's also a predicate to a negotiated exit fee like all the other early exits. This one is tough because of how long they are locked in. With the massive increase in media contracts over the last few years, I have to believe that there was some fuckery going on to convince 15 University Presidents and boards of regents to agree to the terms. Nobody spoke up and noticed that others would get massive increases very soon? I can see some fudging of the numbers. However, it seems to me that ESPN etc. would be the ones to blame, not the conference, of which FSU had a vote in all of the decisions. I'm just riffing at this point as I'm not going to take the time to review the contracts or pleadings. 

    I don't think there is any doubt that the 3 years exit fees, which will be north of $120, million are unenforceable.  It isn't clear how much Texas and Oklahoma paid, if anything (it was a really odd deal), for the exit fee vs. GOR, but nobody else has paid more than Maryland's $31 million.

     

  5. https://247sports.com/college/florida-state/article/fsu-acc-grant-of-rights-challenge-espn-lawsuit-florida-state-seminoles-223750795/

    Well its on.

    "...1. Ashburn said the penalty package for exiting the GoR along with "severe" "withdrawal penalty" is estimated at more than $570 million. FSU's complaint will be that it is "a violation of Florida statutes."

    2. Belief is that this is an unenforceable penalty: "Both the grant of rights individually and the severe withdrawal penalty are collectively an unenforceable penalty."

    3. Breach of contract. FSU believes the ACC diluted television contract rights.

    4. Breach of fiduciary duties include duty. Basically, FSU doesn't feel like the ACC took care of its members and maximize its value. "The whole purpose in the relationship with the ACC was for them to appropriately look out for their members, and also to maximize their revenues, and they utterly failed to do that."

    5. Fundamental failure of contractual purpose.

    6/7. Unconscionability and violation of public policy.

    "We are prepared to file this complaint today," Ashburn said. "We are hopeful you will authorize us to do so....""

     

  6. 16 hours ago, Jabberwocky said:

     

    this could have been done before all the lawsuits.  The only big issue was whether future NCAA tourney revenues would be applied against lawsuits.  WSU/OSU got their way.  Those are 100% theirs (except to the extent they have to pay 2/12 of the players' lawsuit.

  7. 6 minutes ago, TKthunder2 said:

    Right now the SEC and Big Ten are similar enough to each other. If the Big Ten gets FSU, Clemson, Miami, and ND then the balance of power will shift to the North…not by a ton, but they would have the edge.

    FSU/Clemson is THE protection play. Keep the eyeballs on your product and off your opponents. FSU/Clemson vs USC/Michigan/Oregon/Ohio St etc would be really bad for the SEC.

    These two teams, like Texas and OU have been a top watch nationally DESPITE playing a weak conference slate. Putting them in either of the power 2, would put their viewership numbers on steroids.

    The SEC without FSU would be their first step towards becoming the AFL to the Big Ten’s NFL.

    Dont get me wrong Texas, OU, Bama, LSU, Florida, Georgia will be fine either way, but if you’re Mississippi State or Vandy, you should be pushing the SEC to pull out all the stops and get FSU/Clemson into the SEC asap. If the Big Ten grabs the best remaining then they’ll simply outnumber the SEC 2 to 1 and will be able to direct the future of elite college football to their liking.

    The SEC would still be ahead competitively.  Bit 10 would have more population centers.  The 2024 SEC would still have won 17 of the 25 BCS/CFP titles and done it with 8 different teams.   The hypothetical Big 10 would have 8 by 5 different teams.

  8. 2 hours ago, 'stache said:

    They already recruit and draw tv ratings in the region. I don’t understand your point. It sounds like the tv network subscription “one team per state” model that caused a massive change in cfb then died within a decade. Bunch of nonsense. 

    Yeah.  The conference network model will be pretty much gone in another decade.  It will be a streaming service.  I think Wetzel's sources in this article that say UNC and UVA are the top targets for both conferences are stuck in 2013.

    In the Sic-em analysis, FSU is #9 and Clemson #10 in viewership.  UVA is near the bottom of the P5.  That is what matters now.  If they start looking seriously, after Notre Dame, the top choices will be FSU and Clemson.

    https://sports.yahoo.com/florida-state-leaving-the-acc-would-have-massive-ramifications-for-the-future-of-college-athletics-154632042.html

    "...On a competitive level, it doesn’t make sense, but the repeated conventional wisdom is that if ACC schools were available for poaching then North Carolina and Virginia might be the first choices. Academics, demographics and the ability to extend a league's footprint into new territory would win out.

    That’s what they say at least.

    For now.

    “Everything changes if schools are truly available,” one Big Ten source said. “Despite what is said, there has been no reason to examine all of this, so [it’s] hard to know...."”

  9. 37 minutes ago, BigHornedLurker said:

    Too reasonable. Also too much tcu and Baylor. 

     

    I suspect a few more teams to be dropped for a much messier 40 team league . 

     

    I'd I had tv numbers handy my guess is it would probably top 35 +5 to make the geography close to working 

    Well he basically just dropped 4 of the 5 newest P5 members, keeping BYU.  SMU, UH, UCF, Cincinnati are out in his list.

    Find it hard to justify Wake Forest, however.

  10. 34 minutes ago, HookEm said:

    If you are just now making logistical plans to go to this game, then you are likely screwed.  New Year's Eve would have been an expensive hotel room in a normal year, much less with the CFP going on the next day.  And air travel into New Orleans from ANYWHERE has been gone for weeks.  Totally gone.  (Although I hear that Delta is about to open 3 more flights).

    All of the above is why I think prices are going to come down dramatically over the next couple of weeks.  Anyone who already has the logistical side wrapped up probably already has tickets.  So you have a lot of tickets that need a home (~8,000 from what I can tell), without people that can get there to use them.  And there isn't going to be a lot of local demand.

    Just my humble opinion. 

    We got our hotel room in the quarter pretty cheap a couple weeks ago, but they went way up the next day.  Driving in from Houston as we waited too long for reasonable air fare.  Haven't gotten tickets yet.  Kind of waiting to see.

  11. 1 hour ago, ousux said:

    I forgot where I read it, but the University of Memphis did a survey on rivalries between different schools and Texas has 11 (ELEVEN!) different schools that consider us their rival. They didn't mention the schools but I'm having trouble imagining who that would be past 6 or so.

    Well 8 SWC schools, OU, Okie St., Nebraska.

    I don't know who was on the list, but I get to 11 pretty quick.

     

  12. 1 hour ago, Valmy77 said:

    You sure? Because both Arkansas and A&M were talking about how they were going to someplace where everybody would love and accept them and not be mean like Texas.

    Most long time SEC fans don't really consider aggy, pig or Mizzou part of the SEC.  

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  13. 2 hours ago, locodos said:

    get ready to hate half your schedule.  SEC is choke full o' assholes

    UF has like 4 rivalry games, 5 on years we play Duh U

     

    Georgia hates Florida, Auburn and Georgia Tech the way we hate OU.  And Tennessee, South Carolina and Clemson (when they play them) are pretty solid rivalries as well.

  14. 2 hours ago, bad_teammate said:

    Pig is a distant 3rd.

    OU
    A&M
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    Pig
    .
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    Rice/Tech/whatever

    The idea of not playing OU is unacceptable, I would write dozens of sternly worded letters if that game stopped. Not playing A&M is painful, but overall its fine. I forget Arkansas even exists.

    When I was in school it was

    Land thieves

     

    Pig

     

    7-11 thieves

    A&M

     

    The pooooor aggys had been bad for so long, they weren't in the top 3.  At least Cougar High was competitive.

  15. "...The most important questions for fans: Who’s in The Club? Membership in the new division is murky. How many can afford it? That number is probably 30-50 universities, industry experts contend. How many will afford it? Maybe that number is higher, as programs scratch to avoid being left out.

    Twice during his speaking engagement Wednesday, Baker mentioned 100 universities. FBS is at 133. The Power Four is at 69.

    “Most of the schools in the autonomy conferences will feel that’s something they want to do,” Livingstone said...."

    Interesting that the Baylor president is considered one of the more powerful people.

  16. On 12/5/2023 at 6:55 PM, thunderlounge said:

    https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/ncaa-president-charlie-baker-calls-new-tier-division-105388728

     

    NCAA president proposes new Division I tier where schools can pay athletes:

     

     

    https://sports.yahoo.com/how-will-we-pay-for-this--college-leaders-react-to-ncaas-new-subdivision-proposal-165436131.html

    Dellenger talked to some movers and shakers on their reaction.

    "...While plenty of questions go unanswered about the model, Baker answered a few during his time on the dais Wednesday. In the most important reveal, the NCAA needs congressional assistance to make his proposal work.

    Baker is asking for a “little” antitrust exemption as well as protection from college athletes being deemed employees. Why drop his proposal now without congressional legislation needed to codify such?

    Maybe it’s a way to show Congress how serious the NCAA is to change. Or maybe Congress is well on its way to passing that legislation.

    “Does he know something we don’t?” asks one athletic director. “If not, we are going to get sued again.”

    To be sure, the congressional wheels are turning. Sens. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) and Cory Booker (D-NJ) and their staffs are making progress on federal legislation, U.S. Senate aides tell Yahoo Sports. There seems to be a compromise on at least one important subject: addressing employment. Discussion continues on granting the association at least a narrow legal protection...."

  17. 9 hours ago, Hank Kingsley said:

    Maybe it's because I'm older, but the Heisman doesn't seem like it means much to fans anymore. 

    They should seriously consider making it a free for all position-wise instead of QB heavy. Let a dominant lineman possibly win. Defensive players having a 50-50 shot to win. Would be a lot more fun to follow throughout the season. 

     

    It actually used to be for the best player.  Now its for the best QB on a top 10 team.

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