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  1. 1 hour ago, ITHorn said:

    You don't think Oregon is getting by on it's athletes? They have exactly three wins over teams who are bowl eligible and are just running it up against the slop of the Pac 12 . Compare that to Texas who already has six and could potentially end the season with 9 of 11 wins coming against bowl eligible teams depending on weekend results. 

    Texas SOS: 9

    Oregon SOS: 63

    Oregon has the worst SOS of any of the realistic CFP contenders outside of Georgia at 65. It's much easier to be Danny Almonte when you only have to get up for one game a month. 

    Per Sagarin SOS among the top 10:

    Texas 2

    Alabama 24

    Washington 25

    Missouri 26

    Ohio St. 47

    Oregon 57

    Georgia 61

    Michigan 63

    Louisville 64

    FSU 68

     

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  2. 42 minutes ago, Jewish Wang said:

    I don’t know and would question that seriously after they play Georgia. But Bama looks like a totally different team now and if they win the SEC, they’re definitely ahead of us. I don’t want it to happen, but it absolutely will. 

    Milroe looks better, but the rest of Bama looks about the same.  Very undisciplined for a Saban team.  Still don't have the same quality receivers.

  3. On 11/15/2023 at 10:43 AM, derpyhorndog said:

    Hopefully this is clarified in the final language of the “restatement of intent,” but I read some ambiguity in the following language of McMurphy’s tweet: “if multiple Big 12 teams are tied & 1 team holds wins vs. other teams in tiebreaker, then that team wins tiebreaker”


    Everyone in this thread seems to be assuming that is making the changes to avoid the illogical OSU leave-out in the three way tie scenario with OU and KSU. That is, the bolded language above would be more clearly stated as “vs. all other teams in tiebreaker, after accounting for (excluding) any team in tiebreaker that was selected for the CCG under earlier application of the tiebreaker rules.” Also meaning that, in the four-way-tie scenario with UT, OSU, OU and KSU, the first team would still be selected by the Step 2 rule (since UT has not played OSU), and Step 1 would kick in afterwards to determine the second team only if UT were the somehow the first team selected — since only then would one team (OSU) have played every team then remaining in tiebreak.    

    The ambiguity I see in the McMurphy language is that it could be read to mean that the Step 1 rule applies if any tiebreaker team holds wins over other teams (but not necessarily all other teams) in tiebreaker. If that’s the case, I would read it to mean Step 1 would apply from the jump even in the four-way-tie scenario with UT, OSU, OU and KSU. That is, in Step 1, OSU is the first team selected since it is the only one that survives H2H knockouts: UT is knocked out by OU, and OU/KSU are knocked out by OSU. Then the second team is selected out of UT, OU and KSU by running it back to the top — in Step 1 this round, since OU and KSU didn’t play one another, the only team knocked out is UT (by OU). So OU and KSU then go on to determine their tiebreak under Step 2. 

    Welcome anyone sanity checking me on that ambiguity/read. And to be clear, I doubt that’s where this should or will land. It would be illogical if the intent of the “restatement of intent” is to have H2Hs play out that way. Not to mention the fact that it would indisputably be a drastic change to the rules amounting to “Step 1 always applies, even if just partially.” But at this point nothing the B12 does surprises me. 

    The stupidity of 14-18 team conferences and no divisions.

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  4. 41 minutes ago, Jabberwocky said:

     

    Saw someone else say Wilner said (twitter I presume) said the judge was going to make sure nobody took advantage of anyone else.

    The WSU president himself said publicly that there was no way WSU could get at current year's media money.  The by-laws were very specific.

     

     

  5. https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-cfp-leaders-moving-closer-to-adjusting-12-team-playoff-format-230208506.html

    Leaning to 5+7 and this:

    "...Commissioners also established a new policy requiring a league to have eight members to be eligible for an automatic qualifying spot to the 12-team playoff.

    Both moves were made in the wake of the Pac-12’s collapse. In the originally approved 6+6 format, the highest-ranked six conference champions earn automatic qualifiers and the next six highest-ranked teams earn at-large bids. That format was designed based on the existence of 10 FBS conferences. Realignment leaves FBS with nine leagues, though Oregon State and Washington State are attempting for at least two years to preserve the Pac-12 as a two-team league.

    The new policy requiring leagues to have eight members makes the champion of a two-team league ineligible to earn an automatic bid...."

     

  6. 12 hours ago, BachelorTrek said:

    Jester wasn't SO abominable..... I found out from someone that the football-team cafeteria next to Jester West didn't serve breakfast, so they served great-quality breakfasts on the much less-crowded 2nd-floor of the Jester cafeteria -- damn that was great food! I ate breakfast in 2nd floor Jester cafeteria from then on.

    I never tried Simkins' cafeteria, but I usually ate lunch/dinner over in Andrews' cafeteria (freshly-cooked better hamburgers than the brown-liquid containers of the nasty-burgers in Jester, and lots of talkative & fun girls in the Andrews cafeteria, Lulz.) or occasionally in Kinsolving.

    Jester may have gotten better by the time you were there.  Breakfast was ok, not great.  I guess it was good enough we didn't finish our Friday night poker games until the cafeteria was open Saturday morning!  The only things I thought were good there they usually served all on the same day and usually on Sunday afternoons when not many students were there-steak, baked potatoes, Dutch crumb apple pie and a pineapple chunk, cheese chunk ambrosia dish.  There were a couple times my freshmen year there was mass food poisoning.  Fortunately I avoided it, but it hit about 20-30% of the students.

    There was an article a few years back on the nutritionist the athletic department had hired to work in the athletic cafeteria.  They were getting a variety of healthy dishes.  Football players were saying they had been getting tired of steak all the time.  It was a little different than the typical student's cafeterias!

    I imagine all these P5 programs have nutritionists working on diets specific for each sport.  The costs of running a program keep going up.

     

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  7. 2 hours ago, BachelorTrek said:

    In the 60s, the football-team dorm was Moore-Hill (no A/C in it then) -- they just had installed A/C in it right before I started at The 40 Acres. Roberts/Prather/BrackenHELL had heat, but no A/C at that time yet...ugh

    I heard the story of the student who was high/tripping/drunk/everything who thought he was Zeus and took out the long fluorescent bulb tubes from the lights in all the Jester hallways, chased people down the halls of Jester screaming & maniacally-laughing, "I AM ZEUS! FEEL MY LIGHTNING BOLTS!" and threw the fluorescent tubes at residents/people with a big glass-crash/pop sound each time, terrorizing them.

    He finally was caught, but he had thrown a shit-ton of tubes everywhere down several halls, which that alone was a mess to clean up. After he was bitched out by the Head Resident who wanted their pound of flesh, I assume he was expelled, too.  Lulz.

    I also had a classmate who was one of the crew that dognapped Reveille VI in '93. One of the funniest parts was how after aggy denied for a whole week to acknowledge their mascot had been dognapped, the mascot-dognappers produced photos/video as proof they had the dog. This aggy denial is much like when all the aggy "special" flags were stolen as a prank from their museum-whatever, and they denied it happened without looking to see if the flags were still there--- whoever called them about it said, "Why don't you go look first?"  Lulz.

    Of course after aggy finally admitted that their mascot had been stolen, they left the dog tied to the sign (near Lake Travis somewhere) and made the anonymous call to tell them where to pick up the dog, unharmed.  Lulz.
     

     

    My freshmen roommate and some of my hallmates moved to Brackenridge or Moore-Hill their 2nd year.  The rooms were larger and cheaper and you could eat at the Moore-Hill cafeteria instead of the abominable Jester.  BUT no A/C.  So there was NO way I was going there.  When the football players were there, no air conditioning was probably the norm.  I never had A/C in my schools until 8th grade.

    The off guy's roommate who had his stuff stolen was a bit of a character.  When talking to a guy who lived in the room he had the year before he showed us the burn marks on the ceiling he created with a chemistry experiment.  Apparently didn't do too much damage.  Room was still habitable.

    So even in those days, we had mattress and room and dorm realignment!  And the SWC expanded with UH who came in and won the football title 3 of their first 4 years.

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  8. On 11/8/2023 at 1:02 PM, BachelorTrek said:

    Shook Earl's hand in a Bellmont elevator. My hand disappeared.  

    Shook Coach McWilliams' hand also in a Bellmont elevator during his tenure.

    Shook Jesse Jackson's hand (one of MLK's group) at a get-out-the-vote "pep-rally" in that inside-lobby area outside the library doors of UGL/"Harry's Place" where little events sometimes were held.

    Did my laundry with the BWM (Blanks-Wright-Mays) basketball team and some of the football team in 3rd Floor Jester East.

    Helping a member of the women's volleyball team in chemistry labs was fun (not Nikki Busch, but one of her teammates).

    And the funniest memory was that Peter Gardere, driving his car, almost ran over my roommate zooming downhill on East 21st Street down to Memorial Stadium (as it was still known as then) where it ends at San Jacinto Blvd.  Lulz.

    I imagine the athletes have been moved to better digs than the 3rd floor of Jester East by now.

    One of the guys on my hall, who was a little off, decided to knock on dorm doors with a hammer and then try to hit the people in the head.  Fortunately, he started down on the 3rd floor with the football players.  He was quickly stopped.  And promptly expelled.

    That was some time after his roommate was a victim of the Budweiser bandits (no the off guy didn't do it).  Happened to a number of people.  Every single thing in their room, including the mattress, was stolen.  They were left a ransom note to leave a case of Budweiser at a certain location at a certain time in order to get their stuff back.  They never caught the guys.  Pretty impressive that they could get a mattress out without being noticed.

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  9. https://sports.yahoo.com/change-is-coming-to-the-college-football-playoff-145517600.html

    "At this time next year, the College Football Playoff’s latest rankings will be revealed in a televised broadcast much like they were Tuesday night.

    While that’s not changing, so much else is.

    By next year, the CFP…


     
     

    • will have a new executive director.

    • will have expanded from four to 12 teams.

    • will have developed a new revenue-sharing model.

    • will have agreed to a new television deal and long-term contract.

    Change is coming.

    The aforementioned topics will be at the center of meetings this week in Dallas when the 10 FBS conference commissioners and Notre Dame athletic director Jack Swarbrick gather. The group is scheduled to meet on Thursday with plenty of agenda items to explore.

    Will decisions be made? Not on all of it. Here’s the gist on each of the four topics ahead of Thursday’s meeting:...."

  10. 1 hour ago, BurntOrange&White said:

    Get the 1st down, slide. EZ. If you get hit, add 15 more yards.

    Never slide.  Good way to get seriously hurt.  Run out of bounds, take a knee, lean forward and go down.  Slide rule should go away.

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  11. On 11/4/2023 at 9:09 AM, closetohumping said:

    I ran into Dr Martin Luther King in Memphis way back in the day

    Hopefully not on a particular day!

    You did understand the point of the previous post?  The athletes aren't all just online, but are actually on campus.

     

  12. 16 hours ago, billfromlaketravis said:

    I’ll give you it’s an issue in the non-revenue sports, but this a pretty normal travel schedule in the modern NFL and NBA. 
     

    Yes it’s the death of regionality and athletes being a part of campus culture in college sports.


    I saw VY once a week while walking to my math class. LaMarcus Aldridge and PJ Tucker were in said math class. Obviously, I’m not very good at math. 

     

    I saw Earl periodically on campus.  Saw Lam Jones all the time at Jester East, often enough we would usually say hi or nod when we passed.   Probably saw a number of others that I didn't recognize.

  13. 4 minutes ago, Jabberwocky said:

     

    Sounds like there really is no dispute over future NCAA distributions or the Pac 12 name.

    But the groups disagree over current revenues (which they shouldn't-Schulz already said it had to be distributed), residual assets (reserve funds, Pac 12 N, etc.) and liabilities.

  14. 9 hours ago, 'stache said:

    I mean it worked out that Tennessee went full Nebraska but they were big time at the time and Bama didn’t shy away from their schedule being harder than everyone else.

    Well Georgia had Auburn and Florida had LSU, so all 6 of the powers had a tough fixed cross division rival.

  15. 7 hours ago, Huckleberry said:

    Yeah but as you imply, it's an "other than that, Mrs. Lincoln" situation. Rivalries are what make college sports great. The saving grace to me of Texas going to the SEC was adding back two historic rivalries. The Big 12 had a chance to elevate some historic rivalries and instead eliminated them. Yeesh.

    We had 4 big rivalries when I was in school, Land thieves, pigs, 7-11 thieves and aggy.  The last few years we only had one.  In the SEC we get pigs and aggy back.

    I think most agree that ending OU-NU was one of the Big 12's biggest mistakes.  The Big 12 has nothing of that caliber, but you don't want 15 rotating games without any special intensity.

  16. 7 hours ago, mdmost said:

    The only Big 12 rivalries played every year will be Arizona/ASU, BYU/Utah, Baylor/TCU, KU/KSU. So Iowa State/KSU, Tech/Baylor aren't played every year and oSu has no rivals now?

    What makes the SEC and Big 10 special and more valuable are the rivalries.  The SEC often went years without seeing other teams.  But the key teams they saw every year.

    I think it is a huge mistake to not give every team at least two every year rivals.  It just loses the spice.

    In addition to the 4 above, add Utah/CU, BYU/ASU, CU/AU in the west.  UC/UCF/WVU all play each other in the east.  Add Farmageddon and ISU/KU.  Then add TT/OSU, TT/UH, UH/TCU and BU/OSU.

    You can also do 2 others 3 out of 4 and the other 11 still see 2 out of 4.

     

     

  17. 3 hours ago, Saint Austin said:

    This is the correct answer. Houston kinda gets screwed, but they're lucky to have a seat to begin with. Plus, they only joined the SWC in the '70s.

    Don't make it quite so structured.

    BYU, AZ, ASU, UU, CU-play 3 games against each other (except BYU-2), skip CU-BYU, UU-AZ, BYU-ASU

    KSU, KU, ISU play each other and one of the 3 east schools (say KSU-WVU, ISU-UC, KU-UCF)

    UCF-WVU-UC play each other and one of the Big 12 N schools

    OSU, TT, TCU, BU, UH-play 3 games against each other (except UH-2 who plays BYU), skip TT-TCU, UH-OSU, UH-BU

    Besides the 3 fixed, you get everyone else every other year.

  18. 9 hours ago, thunderlounge said:


    On August 1st, before 3 of the 4 corners along with UW/UO made their move, did USC/UCLA/CU have voting rights on the board?

    The answer is clearly, firmly, “NO.”

    The two left absolutely suck shit through a straw. There is no debating that. However, just because they’re the bottom of the barrel doesn’t mean that their rights to the conference they are STILL in are diminished or fail to exist.

    Those whom have left, forfeited their rights. It’s been shown that is how it works. End of story.

    The rest is nothing more than low-IQ fluff to watch with a bowl of popcorn. Cheap entertainment.

    It doesn’t matter who contributed in the past. They’ve left.

     

    You want to tell me now that TX/ou should sue the b12 for their prior contributions to the conference? Because that’s what you’re saying the leaving entities of the pac should do, so what’s the difference.

    Get the fuck outta here with that weak ass line of thinking. Those leaving the pac knew what would happen, and now they have to deal with it. Whether or not the remaining two are relevant in anything is inconsequential to whether or not they have rights. And they do have every right.

    I couldn’t care less about the future of either program, but that doesn’t mean the leaving entities get to call the shots. They don’t.

    IF the pac were to cease to exist after this season, that’s one thing.  However it’s going to still be a conference next season, without those entities. Might not be big, might not last more than 24 months, but it will last past the date of those departing. 
     

    You leave, you forfeit current conference rights to include voting rights. Period. 

    Actually the whole conference left.  UH didn't inherit all the SWC assets when they were the last to turn out the lights.

    This isn't at all like 2 schools out of 10 leaving.  And UT and OU never acknowledged that their voting rights were gone.  They just quit coming to future oriented meetings.

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