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  1. 4 hours ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

    I hate it because it's just so cliched and unoriginal as you said. I'm going to take your sign... and turn it upside down. Boom. It's the equivalent of I'm rubber you're glue. It's thinking you're clever for saying "t.u."

    It's also just fucking weird that fanbases we don't play regularly do it. OU does it, I think it's dumb, but I understand it. When I see Alabama do it... what? Do we know you?

    When I was in school OU did it some, but it was mainly aggy.  I don't remember it from anybody else.   I don't know who started it, but its a very aggy thing to do.

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  2. 1 hour ago, msucolt45 said:

    It’s been quite a while since I’ve been so excited about the Horns post-game, that I couldn’t sleep!
    I was like a child on Christmas Eve. I stopped day-drinking around 4:00, so I could “pay attention” to the game and didn’t even drink post-game, as I was already on Cloud 9!
     
    So I checked out Surly and other online feeds, to include texags, as I haven’t done in so long! It didn’t phase me when the clock went from 1-2-3AM and I still couldn’t go to sleep!
     
    I’ll probably fall asleep in my chair during tonight’s Cowboys game.
     
    Hook’em!!!

    No.   Afterwards, I was watching the Cal-Auburn game with my son (who goes to Auburn).  That put me to sleep!

    I don't imagine too many of you were watching, but it was like watching Iowa play itself.

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  3. 1 hour ago, Huckleberry said:

    Who cares if they're meant to be punitive? The effect is incredibly punitive to those left behind. You can't use the "business decision" defense for leaving and screwing OSU and WSU, for example, and then complain when they make their own business decision. Postseason appearances are valuable to an athletic program. 

    WSU and OSU feeding off the rest while barely being P level was punitive.  They all sought their best interest and made more money than if they stayed with the Beavers and new window Cougars.

    Almost nobody has been as vindictive as the CAA.  I thought they were being total assholes.  They were assholes when JMU voted with the majority to do it to others and they were assholes when they voted to do it to JMU.

    If Oregon St. and Washington St. tried to exclude everyone else from the ccg, the P4, ESPN and Fox would make their continued existence in FBS very, very difficult.

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  4. "Soon after Implosion Friday across the Pac-12, Washington State president Kirk Schulz identified the most immediate task: Determining which schools had voting rights and control of the conference’s assets.

    “We think there will be some clarity around governance issues in the next two weeks,” he told the Hotline.

    One month later, clarity has not emerged.

    Stanford and Cal have fled to the ACC. Only Washington State and Oregon State remain, and they still don’t have the answers needed to take the next step, whether it’s reforming the Pac-12 or joining the Mountain West.

    “I’m frustrated that we haven’t gotten the information as quickly as we had hoped,” OSU athletic director Scott Barnes told Oregonlive.com last weekend. “It is trickling in. We need to get that buttoned down.”

    The Hotline sought answers from the conference office.

    Why is it taking so long to determine the assets, liabilities and governing control?

    The Pac-12 declined to comment.

    What is the process and who’s involved?

    The Pac-12 declined to comment.

    When might full clarity emerge?

    The Pac-12 declined to comment.

    The same radio silence that defined the Pac-12’s messaging strategy throughout the media rights negotiations is at work in this endeavor. Which is fine — the conference isn’t obligated to share information with the media.

    But it’s required to assist Washington State, Oregon State and the outgoing schools by any means necessary. And once again, headquarters has failed to execute at the necessary level.

    “Any well-run business should, within 48 hours, have the most up-to-date profit-and-loss statement, balance sheet and liabilities and assets,” an industry source said.

    “At the latest, they should have had this at the end of August, knowing the odds were pretty good Stanford and Cal were leaving.”

    Are the finances so messy, the bylaws so vague, that the experts are struggling to understand the critical details?

    “The conference has been so poorly managed for so long on so many levels,’’ a source said...."

     

    Fitting with the incompetence we have seen in the Pac 12.  https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2023/09/07/pac-12-legal-delay-wsu-and-osu-hoped-to-proceed-quickly-but-conference-office-slow-to-move/

  5. 3 hours ago, Jabberwocky said:

     

    Hopefully they drop the number.  Just be the PAC.  We've already got the Big 10 who had 12 for a long time and now is moving to 18, the Big 12 who had 10 for a long time and now is moving to 16 and the Atlantic 10 who keeps changing schools but hasn't had 10 in a long time.

  6. 10 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

    And I think that is all consistent with my assessment.

    Clemson = Washington or Oregon.  And Washington and Oregon, as we know, were not at all sure things to join the B1G.  So I think people are wildly overstating the likelihood of Clemson and UNC being able to bolt the ACC in ten years to join the SEC or B1G.  It could happen, but it's not a certainty.

    I think Washington and Oregon were always sure things.  The only question was timing.  This contract or the next.

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  7. 3 hours ago, Ghost of LL said:

    But things change over the course of 20 years.

    Shit--ten years ago, the Big XII wouldn't touch BYU.  But look at where BYU is today.

    Yes, but . . . the payout from March Madness is pretty trivial compared to television revenue.  

    As I said, to be an expansion candidate for either the SEC or the B1G, UNC would have to show that it will bring in more revenue to the conference than it would take out through conference distribution.  For the SEC, the television distribution alone was $50M/school.

    In the basketball tournament, participants get a "unit."  Each unit was worth about $350K last year (it goes up 3% every year).  The champion gets five units--$1.75M.

    So yeah--UNC's performance in March Madness is not going to turn it into a net contributor to the SEC or B1G when it doesn't draw any attention for football.

    I think UNC is overrated in realignment.  Their basketball is top 5 (UK, KU, Duke, UCLA, UNC)  They are in the largest state without at least an SEC or Big 10 school in a metro (Rutgers is NYC metro).  Those are big pluses.  But in football, which is 80% of the value, they don't add anything.  They are an even number addition.  You add someone else and get the even number with UNC.  You don't add just for UNC if you are the Big 10 or SEC.

    I think Clemson is underrated.  They fill an 80k seat stadium.  They have 3 MNCs.  They are clearly one of the top 15-20 football programs of the last 50-60 years.  They have even more value in the CFP era than they did before.  They will be a relatively regular participant.

    Notre Dame and FSU are sure things.  But Clemson is every bit as valuable as Washington and Oregon.

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  8. Beavers still in limbo:  https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/oregon-state-ad-scott-barnes-says-he-s-frustrated-with-speed-of-clarity-over-pac-12-assets/ar-AA1gf9SS

    Pac 12 can't even tell them what assets they have.

    “"...When you look at potential assets that we hold, whether it’s autonomy and Power 5 status, the Pac-12 Network or whatever the balance sheet looks like in the end, that helps drive decisions,” Barnes said.

    In the meantime, “we’re scenario planning. We’re not just waiting. But ultimately, to inform a final decision, it’s important we know about the Pac-12 assets,” he said.

    Asked if Oct. 1 is a reasonable deadline for a decision on Pac-12 assets, Barnes said “yeah, that’s not unreasonable.”

    What is delaying a decision?

    “You’ll have to ask the Pac-12 that,” Barnes said. “I keep asking. It’s been a slow process, a frustrating process.”

    What are the options? One is a straight merger with Mountain West. Another is a reverse merger where the Mountain West lands under the Pac-12 umbrella. A third is Oregon State and Washington State going the route of a “Pac-2″ for two years. NCAA by-laws allow a conference two years to rebuild to at least eight schools.

    <<<my note:  NCAA rules require at least 6 members to keep the basketball autobid>>>

    By waiting two years, the cost to acquire Pac-12 expansion schools falls dramatically. The Mountain West’s media rights contract ends after the 2025-26 year. American Athletic (AAC) schools must give 27 months notice before leaving.

    Barnes said Oregon State could find a way to fill a 12-game football schedule for two years if necessary.

    “Not easy, but if we had to fill a schedule, it would take comprehensive moves, but we could,” Barnes said. “We’ve vetted it with experts and we know there’s a potential path.”

    Barnes added that this isn’t necessarily the preferred path, just an option.

    Barnes confirmed that talks with the AAC have ceased. He said it was a mutual decision, largely because of extensive travel. But Barnes also said that “we’ll continue to pound on doors” regarding possible alliances, including Power 5 conferences."

     

  9. 15 hours ago, camel at sea said:

    Aranda is in danger of having the wheels come off of that program.  The good news for them is that if that happens, there will be good coaches lining up for the job.  The biggest issue seems to be getting their NIL up to speed, but they'll get there.  SMU probably just motivated some more of the folks there with deep pockets.  

    Tech looked like a team that got a big lead, started looking ahead, and couldn't turn it back on again once the game turned into a fight.  

    TCU-Colorado was a weird game.  Neither team had film on each other, or a good read on their respective personnel.  Colorado's OL pass blocked well but couldn't run block.  In a few weeks, with film on what they do, defenses might figure them out a little bit.  It might have been a pretty bad thing for the Frogs to play them in week 1.  TCU's defense looks like it sucks.  They're going to have to outscore people all year.  Most of the offenses in the Big 12 looked bad in week 1, so they might be able to do that.

    A lot of the B12 (Irate8) looks like it has taken a step back.  Maybe those COVID super seniors propped up the depth of the league and it's returning to the mean a little bit.  Texas, KState, and OU appear to be the only Big 12 teams that might be good on both sides of the ball.  Destroying a Sun Belt team in Week 1 isn't something OU has been capable of doing in the last few years.  SMU will tell us a lot about how much OU has improved on defense (if at all.)  The Ponies have one of the most talented G5 rosters (offense especially) in the country. 

    TCU lost a load of starters.  It was a very junior-senior laden team last year.

  10. 19 hours ago, Doc Sam Beckett said:

    Congrats, the Big 12 was better in football than the ACC last year. How does that look for the last 10 years? How does that look for the last 10 years without Texas and Oklahoma? 

    I don't know why you guys keep hanging your hat on the mid to lower teams in the conferences. Okay, Wake Forest would probably lose to ASU....who gives a shit. Moving forward the ACC and the Big 12 are similar except for Clemson and FSU, and that's what's going to separate them.

    And again, I've asked, but nobody has answered. What happens to recruiting when you aren't playing Texas and Oklahoma yearly? How is any Big 12 team going to maintain a yearly top 15 ranking? 

    It looks the same way the last 10 years.

    As for recruiting, who knows.  But then has TCU had a top 15 recruiting rating, ever?  There are only about 20 schools who have the capability to run a string of top 15 ratings.

  11. 18 hours ago, closetohumping said:

    So the two alphas of the new big 12 lost today. One to an fcs tram as a 28 point favorite. The other to a pac 12 team that won 1 game last year. 

    You're behind.  Texas St. is in the Sun Belt and has been FBS for a decade.

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  12. On 9/1/2023 at 8:54 PM, Doc Sam Beckett said:

    Lol I know you hate the ACC, but what a load of shit. Average strength? 

    College basketball championships:

    Big 12: 2022, 2021, 2008

    ACC: 2019, 2017, 2015, 2010, 2009 etc etc

    College football championships:

    Big 12: 2005, 2000 (UT, OU) both leaving 

    ACC: 2018, 2016, 2013, 2001, 1999...

     

    You can hang your hat on "average strength," which I'm not sure I even agree with, but who gives a shit if KSU beats Pitt in week 3. One thing nobody is talking about is whether the Big 12 can even maintain decent  recruiting without bellcows Texas and Oklahoma. I don't think we're going to see any Big 12 teams in the top 15 of recruiting rankings anytime soon moving forward. I also don't see any team in the new Big 12 that's going to win a national championship in football any time soon. I do see that in the ACC. As far as basketball, I'd call it a wash at best. 

    I know you hate the R8, but you didn't address my points.

    2022 Massey composite:

    1 SEC 32.65

    2 Big 12 39.09

    3 Big 10 47.67

    4 Pac 12 49.85

    5 ACC 53.94

    Take out UT 17, OU 43 and add Cincy 39, UCF 42, UH 57 and BYU 59 and the Big 12 average is 44.  Still in 2nd.  Throw in Utah 11, Arizona 71, ASU 95 and CU 119 lowers it to 51.5, but ACC is adding SMU 63, Cal 79 and Stanford 92 lowering theirs to 58.2, still well below.  Except for KU, the bottom half of the Big 12 can beat you on a given day.  Same isn't true of the ACC.  Clemson being really good doesn't change the bottom half of the ACC being bad.  Kentucky and Florida making several trips to the final 4 doesn't make the SEC 14 a good basketball conference.

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  13. 1 hour ago, nnm said:

    The notion that SMU money is vast and untapped (and exponentially more than TCU) is laughable. If these daddy warbucks guys had wanted to fund a resurgent program, they could have at any time. They haven’t. They don’t care. There’s not a big war chest just waiting to be unleashed on the world. It’s an apathetic (at best) alumni base. 

    As a proxy for the money that the alumni are willing to throw to their school, look at their endowments. TCU’s endowment is 2.1B.  SMU’s is 1.9B. (UT System is 31B).  If SMU alumni were exponentially more wealthy than TCU, don’t you think those would look different? SMU has shown no ability to get athletic funding. TCU has.
     

    SMU has about 100 fans that care, total. Apparently two or three of them are in this thread. 
    This isn’t 1983. Dickerson isn’t driving through that door in his Trans-Am. 

    Go home SMU fan.  You’re coked to the gills. 

    For at least the last 5 years, SMU has been spending more than any G5 program but UConn and sometimes BYU.  In 2019-20 they were #68 just behind WSU and ahead of Houston and $7.5 million ahead of #70 Memphis.

    Hasn't translated into great success, but they have been spending.

  14. 4 hours ago, Doc Sam Beckett said:

    Why wouldn't that alone put them above the Big 12? Which conference do you think will win a national championship first, or have better success in the playoffs? And I think you're under selling the give a shit with the rest of the conference. Hell, I'd bet Miami wins a national championship before anyone in the Big 12 after Texas/OU leave. 

    The ACC has pretty consistently been well behind the Big 12 in average strength in both football and basketball for a number of years.  The additions probably balance OU and UT in basketball in the short run as both of us have been down.  So basketball stays the same.  The Big 12 will drop in football strength, but its not clear it will drop below the ACC.   While Clemson has been great, despite UT's struggles, we do have a better record than the Seminoles, Canes  and Hokies over the last 6 years.

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  15. 7 minutes ago, gatormarc said:

    What happens to stuff like NCAA Tournament credits when a conference folds? 

    They go to the team that earned them.

    5 or 6 years ago, if you lost half your members it went to the team that earned them, but apparently they changed that rule (at least I've seen it stated lots of times that WSU/OSU can keep them).  Seems like as long as you have a member, reload members and don't dissolve, you keep the credits.  With the Big East they had to reach an agreement on where the credits went (to the remaining 3).  At that point I remember the rule would have sent it back to the schools that earned them without that agreement.

    The NCAA bb money gets distributed over 6 years, so you've got a good chunk still due the conference.

  16. 1 hour ago, Dutch said:

    One worth taking, though.  They get to play P5 football for around a decade and, if they stop 30+ years of being dogshit and actually start winning, can use it to try and get a seat at the "Best of The Rest" conference behind the SEC and B1G. SMU did paying players with the best of them, and, with NIL removing any stigma about doing so, they'll ramp up the payroll quickly. Any school in their position would take the gamble.

    I may be one of the few who looks back on the SWC with fondness*, so a former SWC mate getting better landing spot isn't a bad thing.  Not to mention, a someone else said up thread (too lazy to go back and check), Texas HS players will benefit from one more school playing CFB at the Power 5 or 4 or Whatever level.

    *Totally understand why it went away but childhood memories are often sepia-hued.

    No.  I was saddened by the end of  the SWC.  I still have the cup from the last SWC game.  After watching UT finish off A&M on TV I went over to Rice Stadium to watch the last half of the UH-Rice game in 1995.   I was happy when TCU and UH made it back to the big time.  I wish the best for Rice, although they really need to stay out of the big time.  They are in a good place now.  Don't have any sympathy for SMU.  Their death penalty hastened the end of the SWC and created a scandal plagued 80s in the conference.

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  17. 36 minutes ago, LTbear said:

    No, but there's been a lot of speculation it was ASU. Doubt we'll ever know. 

    Someone said there was a Stanford professor who proclaimed himself a media expert, so that is a possibility (president said a professor told him they should be worth $50 million was the story).

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  18. 1 hour ago, &#x27;stache said:

    I don't think I've ever seen a school publicly discuss or acknowledge a no vote in conference realignment. I can't imagine UNC is that pissed about travel costs, gotta be something else they dislike about the conference. I always thought they'd be the anchor that keeps the ACC together, but seems they will probably leave when FSU and Clemson do as well, and NCST president realized that they'll be left behind and want the best possible ACC after the departures. 

    UNC has never met an expansion they liked.  Duke hadn't previously.

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