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  1. 3 hours ago, TKthunder2 said:

    BYU/UH/UCF/Cincy weren’t a part of the renegotiated CFP deal. I think it’s logical to question them getting full shares ESPECIALLY while the PAC4 is still influx. If the PAC4 invites the 12 teams from the MWC, do they get full shares? In a vacuum it is greedy, but you really don’t want to set that precedent right now.

    They were.  https://theathletic.com/3904973/2022/11/16/cfp-expansion-revenue-rose-bowl/

    Article is dated November 16th, 2022.  Its just bad faith and greed by Sankey and Petitti.  Its the same bs from commissioners that nearly killed the expansion to 12 teams before the end of the contract.

  2. 52 minutes ago, Mitch Hedberg said:

    Any playoff spot decided by a committee and not won in a pre-determined way set out by rules, IE in every other level of football from peewee to pro, is fucking stupid. Play your way in or out. Letting fat ass writers, coaches or anyone “choose” who gets in just chaps my ass. Playoffs should not be decided by money, favoritism or media. Full stop. 
    I know I’m in the minority. And I’m old and have never liked polls in any way besides some beer talk. The idiocy of polls is on display every year when teams are ranked higher than teams with the same record that beat them. They decide nothing. And I’m out.

    '77 always comes to mind.  After Texas lost the Cotton Bowl to ND, they dropped from 1 to 4 in the final poll, behind Arkansas who they beat in Fayetteville.  Kentucky dropped to #6 behind Penn St. who they beat in Happy Valley.  All the top 6 had 1 loss.  Going into the bowls, #2 OU and #6 Arkansas had lost only to Texas.  Don't get me started about 2008!

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  3. 2 hours ago, Uncle Nate said:

    Granted it's not OU easy, but still...

    2023 Georgia football schedule

    • Sept. 2 UT MARTIN
    • Sept. 9 BALL STATE
    • Sept. 16 SOUTH CAROLINA
    • Sept. 23 UAB
    • Sept. 30 at Auburn
    • Oct. 7 KENTUCKY
    • Oct. 14 at Vanderbilt
    • Oct. 21 Open Date
    • Oct. 28 vs. Florida (Jacksonville)
    • Nov. 4 MISSOURI
    • Nov. 11 OLE MISS
    • Nov. 18 at Tennessee
    • Nov. 25 at Georgia Tech

    Auburn, UK and Florida are probably all down.  Let's put it this way.  Charley Strong might even take that Georgia team to a 10-0 start.  Kirby Smart probably could have taken one of Charley Strong's Texas teams to a 10-0 start with that schedule.

  4. 2 hours ago, Evil Bill Obrien said:

     

    Think setting a top 15 bar for the G5 champ autobid(s) will probably get the antitrust lawsuit machine a rumbling. Setting that standard would have boxed out Tulane last year and honestly with the way the committee has been voting recently see that very much as false hope, will always put enough "top brands" ahead to box the G5 champs out of the top 15. 

    Then the committee will always rank the G5 champ #16.

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  5. 2 hours ago, Al_4_ISU said:

    Who is still doing this?  This hasn't been a thing in awhile for the vast majority of Big 12 schools.  I see this talking point routinely on this board and it doesn't jive with reality at this point.

    Alabama and several other SEC and Big 10 teams do this.

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  6. 3 hours ago, Mitch Cumsteen said:

    Because god forbid we get the actual best 12 teams into the playoffs. And god forbid we actually make non-SEC and non-Big 10 teams play competitive games in their out of conference schedule to boost their playoff resume instead of having Baylor play Long fucking Island.

    And this. All of this.

    The "Best 12" is nothing but bs.

    Nobody knows until you play it on the field.  Remember 2014?  Everyone was sure Alabama and Oregon were the top 2.  Ohio St./TCU/Baylor were 3-4-5.  FSU had to get in because they were the only unbeaten.  FSU lost 59-20 to Oregon.  Ohio St. beat Alabama.  TCU won 42-3 over the only team to beat Alabama in the regular season.  And then Ohio St. beat Oregon in the title game.  TCU dropped from 3rd to 6th in the final ranking after beating Iowa St. 55-3.  

    The committee might as well just pull out the 247 recruiting rankings.  That's pretty much how they pick teams.  I thought it would be better than the BCS, but its worse.  You've got groupthink with a few people dominating the conversation.

    We need autobids so we have concrete criteria.  Teams that actually accomplish something get rewarded.  Teams that can't finish any better than 5th in the SEC or Big 10 don't make it?  So what?  Finish better than 5th in your own conference!!!  I think its bs that teams with losing records in conference play get into the NCAA bb tourney.  We don't need those teams.

     

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  7. 3 hours ago, DanTheHorn said:

    I do not understand this desire to get rid of the auto bids. If you are ranked in the top 8 and are not a BIG 10 or SEC conference champion you are not going to be left out since the BIG 10 and SEC champions are probably ranked in the top 8. If you are one of the two highest ranked at large teams why wouldn't you want to play a team you can boat race and essentially get a bye week. I don't care about a good game if I am in position to be one of the ones that boat races a team. It only hurts when you are number 9 in the country and get left out.

    Now I do understand why a commissioner wants less auto bids because it means more money. I just like the idea that every game in conference will still mean something since teams will want to avoid being number 9 and possibly left out. If it is just the top 12 then it becomes 6 from BIG and 6 from SEC once they go to 24 teams. It will start to feel like the NBA. Also, you may have to beat the same damn team again, see 2001. To me the 12 team was genius because the top 8 teams are in the playoffs and who cares who the other 4 teams are that get in since it was never meant to address the top 12.

    The autobids and first round bye automatically make your ccg more valuable.

    There's even talk about giving UC/UH/UCF/BYU less than P5 shares for the next couple of years.  Just sounds unbelievably greedy.  Its a really, really bad look for an industry that already looks that way.  Especially with the massive money coming from the CFP and the massive raises the SEC and Big 10 just got.  Some of the presidents just need to slap Sankey and Pettiti, the way the presidents read the riot act to the commissioners sabotaging the expansion to 12.

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  8. https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-acc-presidents-to-meet-on-conference-expansion-on-monday-night-173527541.html

    Maybe they are getting ready for Tuesday:

     

    "ACC presidents are scheduled to meet on a call Monday evening to discuss and potentially take action on expanding to add Cal, Stanford and SMU, sources tell Yahoo Sports.

    Three weeks of deep exploration into the three-team expansion plan appears to be at its end, with a determination coming from the meeting or soon afterward. The league needs support from 12 of 15 members to pass the expansion proposal.

    Over the last several days, momentum has been building in support of expansion — a change from 2 1/2 weeks ago. In a straw poll of presidents Aug. 9, an expansion vote fell at least one vote short of passing. There were four dissenters: Florida State, Clemson, North Carolina and NC State. Notre Dame receives a vote as the 15th member and supports expansion...."

  9. 3 hours ago, Jabberwocky said:

    Was about to post this. I have no idea what is going on, but I do not believe it was ever reported that the Big 12 had "conversations" with those schools. 

    Hopefully it means CalFord is going to the Mountain West.

    At one point it was reported that all the Pac 10 had conversations.  Doesn't mean any of it was more than quick informational calls.

  10. 1 hour ago, Sbbruin said:

    Cal and Stanford to the ACC is the height of all of this realignment madness.

    Yep.  Jumping the shark.  And its happening.  Appears to be just internal ACC haggling over how to divide the spoils.  How do you split up the $30 million left after giving everyone money for extra travel costs.

     

     
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/d...r-AA1fMGAl

    "Atlantic Coast Conference athletic directors held a video call to discuss — again — the possibility of adding California, Stanford and SMU to the league and what to do with the extra revenue that could come with expansion.

    The ACC's university presidents and chancellors have the final say on expansion and the full board was not involved in Thursday night's talks. As of Friday morning, the next formal meeting of ACC leadership had not been scheduled....


    At issue in the ACC is how that money will be distributed, according to multiple people who have been involved in the discussions, all speaking to AP on condition of anonymity to share private internal discussions.

    With Florida State, Clemson, Miami and North Carolina leading the push, ACC leaders earlier this year agreed to a “ success incentive initiative” that would allow schools to earn more of the money generated from their own postseason performances in football and men's basketball, plus other potential bonuses.

    The amount of expansion-generated revenue that goes toward the incentive initiative as opposed to being distributed equally among members is a key issue that could determine whether Phillips can get the required 12 of the 15 schools to approve adding new members, a person briefed on the ACC’s talks told AP...."
  11. 2 hours ago, camel at sea said:

    I don't think you could get the conference cohesion that you want with those two in the fold.  It's already pretty clear that the Big 12 is going to be dealing with "not happy to be here" attitudes from ASU and Utah leadership.

     

    Whittingham will be retired by then.

  12. 16 minutes ago, USC Traveler said:

    Looks like Stanford and Cal have learned nothing in realignment.  They seem to think nothing will change.

    They thought the PAC (and media money) would always be there because they never thought USC would leave.

    Now they're going to go ACC with a 30% share than won't reach 100% until 2036.  

    What's going to happen when FSU, Clemson, Miami, UNC, etc all leave ?  

    FSU people like Bud Elliot think FSU is leaving next year.  If not next year, the closer it gets to 2036, the more likely the exodus becomes.

    Once the BIG and SEC take the top ACC teams, ESPN will likely push the 2nd tier teams like UL, Pitt, etc to the B12 and let the conference dissolve completely.  At the very least,  ESPN will use the composition clause (standard in conference tv deals) to drastically reduce payments to the ACC.

    Stanford and Cal are going to take $7-10m/yr to start, and there's a great chance the conference dissolves or gets hammered way down on revenue long before the Bay area schools start getting any real money.

    They are setting themselves up for absolute disaster- Cal especially, given their finances and lack of ND connection/hope for BIG.

    They would have been much better to get over their coastal elitism, academic snobbery and religious bigotry to try to be part of a BIG 18.

    I guess being in a pod with BYU and playing teams in OK, KS, WV, etc was too much for them.

     

    That's $7-$10 million TV money which as good as they could do in Pac -8 + X.  And they will get a share of other distributions which will be better in the ACC.

  13. 1 hour ago, camel at sea said:

    SMU donors are willing to pay for facilities upgrades as well as foot the bill for an AD that won't get media revenue for as long as seven years?  On top of that, they'll fund an NIL operation competitive enough to win games in a power conference?  I guess you do what you gotta do to get your foot in the door but that's an enormous buy-in.  

    Assuming they do get in, though, the ACC will have three outliers in Big 12 territory (SMU, Stanford, Cal), and vice versa (WVU, Cincy, UCF.)  Maybe at some point the two conferences swap.   

    ACC makes more in non-TV revenue per school than AAC makes for all revenue.  So it will still be more money for SMU.

  14. 3 hours ago, notre dame joe said:

    I am a bit behind on my SMU traditions.  Did they once play the same as the Dallas Cowboys?

     

     

    There was a time when they were called the best professional football team in Dallas (yes the Cowboys had a streak where they were pretty bad).

  15. 6 hours ago, LTtxfan said:

    32,000 capacity at Ford Stadium

    So would ponies in ACC start playing more games at the Cotton Bowl ??  

    ACC will feel right at home.  Just like Wake Forest and Duke.  And empty like BC.  SMU will not trail the league in attendance.

  16. 1 hour ago, USC Traveler said:

     

    Great to see the Chair of the BOT of a state flagship university who understands the CFB fan experience, the SEC and actually knows what the Grove is.

    Contrast that with the UC Regents last year talking about impact of USC and UCLA to the BIG on Cal.

    It was a complete clown show, where they all exposed their ignorance.  It was so clear none of them had any clue.

    He's 100% correct that Horns Down penalties are stupid and that it's a compliment to UT.

    When you're hated, you're relevant.  No one does anti-Rutgers signs because no one cares.

    if the opposing players are doing it  to other players, it is taunting.  We need to treat all taunting the same.  So its not stupid.

  17. 1 hour ago, 'stache said:

    I think it's legit if its the model someone posted a few pages back, that the "western wing" (either Stanford and Cal and maybe also SMU) would get a small portion of the media contract (SMU possibly none for several years) but they'll be allowed to enter into an agreement with Apple to generate additional revenue. I would assume that if it's wildly successful, any amount that would exceed everyone else's payout would be readjusted for equal payment to all in that scenario. I have an SMU graduate degree and would love to see them as an ACC member, even if the boosters cover them for 5-7 years (not my money, don't really care). 

    Nobody, even Baylor, deserves relegation more than SMU.  Maybe they will get another death penalty and Rice will get their slot!

  18. 5 hours ago, billfromlaketravis said:

    I’d also like to know the ISU body count? How many starters? Two deep? Scholarship count?

    I’m not trying to kick them while they’re down or throw stones, but I’d like to gauge the difficulty of the game in Ames. Off the top of my head, losing your starting QB and RB isn’t good. 
     

     

    I think Iowa has quite a few also.  The state has a gambling problem.

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  19. 13 hours ago, Al_4_ISU said:

    Exactly.  What do those paychecks and conference affiliations do for fans?  

    Even those second tier Big 10 and SEC schools are going to have to adjust their fan expectations.  I know a lot of Iowa fans that are not happy about the Big 10 West going away.  They always had a chance to play for a conference title in that set up, and after this year, unless some lopsided divisions return to the league (or they keep getting schedules that dodge all the good teams in the league), they will probably never play for another conference title.

    Schools like Iowa and Auburn might be at risk with more powers in the conference.

  20. 3 hours ago, John80 said:

    The Ivy League schools chose to leave big time athletics a long time ago and this decision hasn't hurt them at all. Same with The University of Chicago. They aren't going to compromise their admission standards and add easy classes to keep people eligible. Some years ago a journalism group called California Watch found a list of easy classes that Stanford athletes are given so everyone at this level compromises. The University of Michigan has a "General Studies" major that is a joke to keep people eligible. 

    I remember reading one time DKR was trying to get UT to copy Michigan and couldn't get the administration to do that.

    2 hours ago, Zhorn96 said:

    Rugby is self funded and actually makes a small profit.  But its a big Title IX issue.  Would think track, baseball, gymnastics (M&W), lacrosse and field hockey are the most likely candidates 

    Track helps with football.  Many athletes are dual sport.

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