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On 9/15/2024 at 9:10 AM, Underdog said:
Didn't see that one, there was a play in the UK/UGa game where you UK was called for facemask,correct call, but on that same play a UK ballcarrier had his facemask grabbed and helmet eventually came off... No flag on that. So what should've been offsetting penalties was the penalty on UK alone. It wouldn't have changed the outcome of the game most likely but bullshit is bullshit.
Well there was the unsportsmanlike on Kentucky where he drove the guy down and tackled him blocking. It could have been both ways, but probably should have been just on UK. But after that was over a different Georgia player comes over and shoves the UK player down right by the refs. That should definitely been unsportsmanlike, but they didn't call it.
6 hours ago, MonkeyDoughnut said:More annoying is really starting to see a concerted effort by broadcasters/commentators to back the refs and paint whatever picture is needed to support the ref calls even in cases where it seems obvious they got it wrong.
Yeah. I've seen a lot of that this year.
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Another discussion of it.
Separate article, said the 2Pac was relying on their consultant Navigate who said their deal would be worth about $10 million a school.
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Don't remember the exact numbers, but there was one year, the top Texas player we got was something like #15 in the state and I think A&M got only 1 of the top 11 and OU 1 of the top 11. The next year, Texas, Texas A&M and OU got something like 8 of the top 11, dominating in a way I don't remember happening. UT hasn't done quite as well since then, but its not as bad as it got before. And we are in the running for 5 star players around the country. I think we just picked up the #1 safety in the country for 2026. He plays in Georgia.
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4 hours ago, 'stache said:
You never struggled in recruiting, just got burned with some coaching hires that didn't work out. OU is currently in that situation I think. It's all about the money.
You weren't watching the Texas recruiting closely. The difference makers were going out of state. We got plenty of good players, but the great players started to elude us. A lot of that had to do with the 4 team playoff. But a lot had to do with network's focusing on the Big 10 and SEC while paying limited attention to the Big 12 and ACC and ignoring the Pac 12.
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4 hours ago, WelfareBuysMyWeed said:
Sounds like you are missing chromosomes. We moved to the SEC for money.
Actually we moved because Alabama, Georgia, Ohio St. and Clemson were coming into Texas and taking the blue chips. The money was the least of our concerns. As DeLoss said, "We are the Joneses." and "We have money." to the Pac 10.
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5 hours ago, TrashMaster G said:
What a load of crap. This is a totally false narrative.
And why is he so pissed? Exactly what are OSU and WSU supposed to do given their current situation?
Using the war chest to create a new conference makes all the sense in the world.
Well he's wrong about Texas, OU, USC and UCLA and their motivations and how logical it was. But as far as the MWC schools, he's spot on. They're trading getting 3 peanuts and a pecan for 3 peanuts and an almond.
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38 minutes ago, petscii said:
R E L E G A T I O N is the next logical step.
the second one looks better in binary for 2.
Just get rid of the stupid number!!!!
Why look stupid like the Big 12, Big 10 and Atlantic 10?
SEC and ACC are good enough without numbers.
Fact is that if this deal doesn't blow up like the Boise St./SDSU to AAC deal, the numbers will change over time.
Its not like the number has a lot of history. 13 years as Pac 12. 33 years as Pac 10. 14 years as Pac 8.
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40 minutes ago, USC Traveler said:
Reduce travel costs for schools making a fraction of the tv money that the BIG and SEC make.
Nobody is doing divisions but the Sun Belt. You want the best team to compete for that single G slot.
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5 hours ago, Al_4_ISU said:
I think there's certainly a chance. I'm just not sure those do any more for you than schools like UNLV or Air Force.
I would be curious to get the Texan perspective, but from the outside it seems like Texas State and UTSA are the G5 Texas schools with the biggest upside in terms of actually drawing a following. I might have put UNT there at one point, but it seems like those places have more of a base for whatever reason.
I don't think Texas St. has any upside potential. The students all go to Austin on weekends. Its only 30 miles form Austin.
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5 hours ago, Al_4_ISU said:
I think it's funny that the MWC formally said "nah" to the merger proposal and is now getting raided by those they rejected.
It's like they learned nothing from the Pac 12 rejecting the Irate 8. It's the exact same scenario playing out the next rung down the ladder.
No. Its WSU/OSU who didn't want to merge. MWC was all for it.
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6 hours ago, LTbear said:
WSU and OSU have all the PAC settlement money (several tens of millions) to help with that.
Its going to cost $111 million just for those 4 schools. $17 each exit fees and $43 million as part of the contract with the MWC.
I just don't see how its worth it to dump a few schools. There really isn't much difference in the MWC after Boise St.
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Today it was announced the UConn to Big 12 discussions were "paused."
So its dead until the House fallout gets understood and/or FSU/Clemson get their situation settled.
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On 8/31/2024 at 11:49 AM, statsman said:
There is a lot of bs in this post.
Who are the blue bloods? Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, USC, for sure. That’s over 20% of the conference.
The middle class is Nebraska, Wisconsin, Oregon, Washington, Iowa, Illinois, Michigan State. Any one of these would be the tent pole program in the B12. They have bigger stadiums, and a lot more alums and fans tuning into games. There are very good reasons the B1G makes twice the TV revenue as the B12.
The B1G lower class looks like B12 teams, except for Rutgers, which looks like a Sunbelt program.Illinois??? And while they have bigger fan bases, KSU, Okie St., TCU, Baylor and Colorado have had seasons better than Wisconsin, Iowa and Michigan St. can claim in the last 50 years. Oregon, Washington and Nebraska, are of course, different stories. The Big 10 lower class looks like Kansas in football. Its just that the Big 12 has nothing to match the top 7 or 8.
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On 8/19/2024 at 7:46 PM, mininghorn88 said:
No truer words written. As John Madden once said, “He has it. If you don’t know what “it” is then you don’t have it.”
I am so ready for some relatively stress free Texas football again where all I have to worry about will be what the margin of victory will be.
Colt really had "it." In a way few other QBs ever had.
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Sun Belt lost 21 all conference players to transfers, 18 to the P5. MAC 20, 16 to P5. CUSA 20-15 to P5. AAC 12, 11 to P5. MWC only 6, all to P5.
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Interesting data:
"...The impact of the transfer portal is striking: After eliminating those who graduated or departed for the NFL, a whopping 40% of the remaining players with all-conference honors switched to another program. The vast majority of them bolted to a team in the Power Four (the Atlantic Coast, Big 12, Big Ten and Southeastern conferences). Even when adding second- and third-team all-conference picks, 36% wound up transferring.
The data shows the extent to which the balance of power has shifted in college football. The smaller conferences have always had a disadvantage compared with their larger peers. Now, they have effectively become a farm system—developing talented players only to lose them to their wealthier competitors. Competing against the likes of Alabama and Michigan was always hard, even before those juggernauts could just snatch up players like books in the campus library.
“Some of those leagues,” former Texas A&M coach Jimbo Fisher said in a radio interview earlier this year, “they’re becoming glorified junior colleges...."”
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10 hours ago, TKthunder2 said:
Many people think it will come to an extreme but I predict a more logical conclusion for all involved is to break up the ACC keep the current conference model then breakaway with the P3 conferences. You’ll have the B1G/SEC on the major network spots with a few B12 games sprinkled in but mainly filling up tier 2 cable. You keep the Big 12 around to not piss off the government too much as they have 5 states that wouldn’t be included otherwise (and the #2/3 public schools in 5 other states as well).
The Vandy and Northwesterns of the world will eventually be convinced to take a pay cut as the leagues shift to a performance/viewership payout model, as you can clearly see what happens if you piss off your money makers like USC and FSU, and being in the club at reduced shares is far better than being out of the club like WSU/OSU.
I see this as a breakaway for most major team sports: football, m/w basketball, baseball, softball, volleyball, w soccer; but I’m less sure about those with team and individual components like tennis, golf, t&f, cross country, swim/dive (as those might benefit from remaining with the NCAA and still competing with the Ivy League and Big West type schools) or more regional sports like m soccer, Hockey, LAX, FH (as those are not played significantly by this group of 60ish schools).
I think the walk-ons might be one of the biggest reasons to breakaway as it seems most of the big name teams want the walk-ons not to count against the total roster spots.
That argument is over. There are no walk-ons at the big schools. Everyone will be getting a scholarship and NIL money and, soon, directly paid. That's part of the House settlement, not that they have to give scholarships to everyone, but the scholarship limits are gone. Its roster limits. 100 for football. Baseball I think was 39. And they will get full scholarships in the P4, no longer partials. Sankey has been talking about that for several years.
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On 8/17/2024 at 10:36 PM, iamjethro said:
The reason that I can see is this: Do you lock up the people that watch those top 40 teams (a huge number for sure), or do you figure a way to game the sytem where you get those teams viewers, plus everyone else whose numbers help your viewing public. Even a Wake Forest fan will watch a game if a team they play againts often (maybe considered a rival) is playing. If even just to hope to see them lose. If you take away those college connections, you take away some casual viewers or fans of other teams because it does not involve them in that world anymore.
Not only that, but you can pick up wins from a name school as opposed to a school viewed as no different than FCS. How many typical fans would know that Troy or Jacksonville St. or Sam Houston St. or James Madison play in a different division than Tennessee Tech, Western Illinois or Northern Colorado?
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https://www.extrapointsmb.com/p/heres-expect-conference-realignment-slow-near-future
Matt Brown thinks nothing is happening in the near future. Matt writes a newsletter, extra points. He is really knowledgeable and connected on non-P4 schools. This article is not restricted to subscribers.
Basically, the ACC lawsuit is holding every up from doing anything. And, he's hearing the same thing as McMurphy, network money is tight even for an FSU. G5 is also tied down because of what the Pac 2 might do. Finally, the House settlement isn't finalized and so conferences and schools don't know all the implications.
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On 8/1/2024 at 6:18 PM, gatormarc said:
Not according to Wilner, but the ACC is possible.
“"...Some form of affiliation with the Mountain West is likely,” the source said. “But given other uncertainties, (WSU and OSU) could have other options to consider....”
If the Seminoles and Tigers depart, a restructuring could ensue.
“That’s what has changed since last summer,” the source said. When the Pac-12 fractured in August 2023, “those lawsuits didn’t exist. They have caused people to re-think the situation: ‘If this, then that.'”
The conversations are not based on the presumption the ACC will collapse in the next year. “It’s more about possible changes in 12 to 36 months,” the source said.
“Washington State and Oregon State are strong football brands … They drive viewership. What are the opportunities over the next 36 months for two strong brands?”
The Big 12 is “not interested” in adding the Cougars and Beavers as members, a second industry source said...."
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On 7/22/2024 at 10:29 AM, Hurtlocker said:
Maybe its not 2027...
My understanding is they can totally opt out of the deal in 2027 if they do so by February 2025. The deadline was February 2021 until the commissioner's office extended the option without a vote by membership.
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On 7/23/2024 at 6:17 PM, DaggerHorns said:
It’s the only time I’ve ever seen an official actively bump into a coach and throw a flag on the coach. The fix was in and it was complete fucking bullshit.
You wonder if it was because they hated Texas, hated Strong or were getting a cut of the gambling.
Or all 3?
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On 7/23/2024 at 2:27 PM, Zeus said:
It's a thing, there's also no "comeback mode" for teams down two touchdowns to force the game into an exciting last second play to win or lose.
Also there is no longer official reviews every other play, or huddles to decide the call that take 1-2 mins.. There's not going to be anymore players thrown out of the game for blowing up a bubble screen either.
Basically we are going to be watching football from now on instead of refball.
You don't watch much SEC football, do you?
One thing they don't call is late hits. More players get hurt in the SEC.
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11 hours ago, nineliveslost said:
The top brands are going to get stronger and push out all others. This is bad for collegiate football in my opinion and is one of the bigger hits that will alter college football dramatically. not a fan of it
I think the bigger impact will be on sports other than football and basketball.
Realignment talk not going away
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There's a political factor in that scenario they really don't want to get into. I think it was Sankey who talked about when they tried to get more exclusive, they always ran into legal and political problems. Most likely, I think they just spend a lot of schools into irrelevance.