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  1. On 3/21/2024 at 5:57 PM, DanTheHorn said:

    If I were the SEC I would take Duke, Kansas, UNC plus FSU. That way with Kentucky, Duke, Kansas and UNC the SEC would have many of the the most storied football programs and most of the most storied basketball programs.

    Before people start making the football argument I happen two agree with Chris Fowler that says the next step after all this realignment will be the Super 2 trimming the dead weight like Vanderbilt, Mississippi State, Rutgers, etc. So in a two tier system you have the BIG football schools bring in the FB money and get tier one money and the BIG BB school bring in the basketball money and get a part of the FB money. The BB schools then serve as the schools one beats up on during football season yet they will be the ones with all the eyes during BB season.

    I really don't think there will be any trimming.  Now maybe at some point there is Prestige Worldwide with 16-20 schools.  But that league will need other weaker leagues around to pad the ooc win totals.

  2. https://www.yahoo.com/news/um-disinclined-clemson-fsu-waging-141736577.html

    Miami AD-Miami solid with ACC!  i.e. they don't have an invitation to another party-yet.

     

    :,,,A UM source said the school is evaluating the situation and could respond differently if FSU and Clemson are somehow able to bolt the conference.

    At the moment, UM does not have an invitation to join the Southeastern Conference or Big 10, according to a source with knowledge of the matter. The source said UM would listen if either conference called, but its hands are tied at this point.,,,"

  3. https://sports.yahoo.com/will-sec-big-ten-greed-ruin-college-sports-as-we-know-it-202735432.html

     

    Dan Wetzel suggests the Big 10 and SEC extreme demands may well be an effort to destabilize the Big 12 and ACC and lead to more raids.

    "...If the Big Ten and SEC are able to set a playoff up in direct contrast to how college sports have always operated — codifying more guaranteed access, more guaranteed on-field competitive advantages (including a bye) and more guaranteed money — then the operation may be passing the point of no return.

    This isn’t just about hoarding power — although that’s part of it. It’s about eliminating other teams and leagues from being able to compete on the field, therefore further destabilizing other conferences. We just saw the century-plus-old Pac-12 perish for no particularly good reason. The ACC and Big 12 might be next.

    “Automatic first-round byes for the Big Ten and SEC is like the NFL saying the [Dallas] Cowboys get a first-round bye since they have more fans than the [Cincinnati] Bengals,” TCU coach Sonny Dykes noted. “How preposterous is that?”

    So preposterous that the cutthroat, bottomline, chase-every-nickle NFL wouldn’t even try it. And Dykes' point extends to uneven revenue sharing and multiple automatic bids.

    It’s particularly preposterous because based on the competitive strength and historic success of Big Ten and SEC teams, they would likely be able to earn those bids, byes and even money via competition. If so, good for them.

    By putting it in writing though, this becomes a play to break apart other conferences and pick off a few more of the most valuable brands...."

  4. On 2/23/2024 at 12:06 PM, Al_4_ISU said:

    The Big 10 and SEC would all but be guaranteed 2-3 bids here.  Codify it, I guess, but that’s not an at large.

    If the past decade has taught us anything it’s that the committee values brand Uber alles.  If the Big 10 or SEC failed to get multiple bids in this scenario, it’s because the leagues were truly putrid that year.

    But now that we have 12 it’s never going to 8.  That’s just a thought experiment on what I think the best product looks like.

    No.  Giving the SEC and Big 10 more access is a Scarlet letter on every ACC and Big 12 team.  It will be used against them in recruiting by the Purdues  and Mississippi States.

    Plus, it damages the CCGs which are big money makers.

  5. On 2/22/2024 at 10:17 AM, Huckleberry said:

    I'm the same pedant I've always been. If you want to have a playoff then have a playoff. 

    And the end game in that is to split them off, not for me to watch Coastal Carolina and New Mexico in the CFP playoff.

    Only a little more than half of the G5 has even been in FBS for 30 years.  They really don't belong.  And other than Boise (6 times from 2004-2011), only 5 G5 teams have made the top 12 or even top 14.

  6. On 2/23/2024 at 10:57 AM, statsman said:

    I don’t think it will be coercion. Here is what I think will happen:

    The 12 team CFP will make a lot of money. The non-CFP bowls will make less and less, as they lose significance (it’s ridiculous that they still factor in final rankings). 
     
    The CFP will expand to 16, with 11 at large. The SEC and B1G will consistently get ten teams combined in. They will get most of the money. 
     
    The networks will ask for an expanded playoff, to 24 or 32 teams. The main beneficiaries would be the ACC and B12, who will be all in favor. I think the SEC and B1G would balk- why expand to add teams that don’t make more money for the P2?

    The networks suggest an alternate playoff to the non-P2 world, a playoff where the non-P2 world gets all the money. They accept. 
     
    Thats how I think it goes down. Maybe there’s even a final game between the winner of the two playoffs. 

    Beyond 16 and you gut the regular season.  4 losses will get you in.  There is a lot of money made by schools on Saturdays.

  7. On 3/4/2024 at 3:07 PM, thunderlounge said:


    While true, what college teams around them don’t totally suck shit through a straw?

    That’s probably the bigger contributor to their reasoning. 

    Minnesota used to be a national power.  They have 4 MNCs.  But then the Vikings arrived.  SMU and Rice were solid before the Cowboys and Oilers.

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  8. https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/39625514/wsu-president-urges-member-schools-reform-not-replace-ncaa

    https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/39625392/new-pac-12-commissioner-teresa-gould-considering-all-options

    2nd article-new Pac 12 president considering ALL options.  Sounds like OSU/WSU are still hoping to get invited somewhere in the next two years.  Haven't had formal discussions on absorbing MWC.  Talking to people about TV deal for the two.

    1st article follows on the ESPN site.  Talks about NCAA reform, but there is an interesting quote near the bottom.

     

    "...New Pac-12 commissioner Teresa Gould, who now represents the conference on the CFP management committee, said the commissioners are "aligned" in their desire to develop a plan that has "adaptability."

    "I think none of us would have ever anticipated the amount of change that is going on right now," she said in her introductory press conference. "Yesterday looks different than today. And who knows what the headline is going to be tomorrow. So our job collectively as the leadership of the CFP is to make sure that whatever plan it is that we have a plan that is adaptable and nimble to the changing times that we're in. And that is one of the conversations that I want to make sure we continue to have in that room....""

  9. 53 minutes ago, Saint Austin said:

    Because the MAC sucks and provides less exposure than an independent schedule would? I'm sure they'd take being in the American for football-only, but I don't think that offer has ever been extended.

    Its possible.  Its getting harder to schedule as an Indy.  They've only got 3 or 4 P4 schools on their schedule now.

    WKU was interested a year ago, but couldn't find a partner then.

  10. 15 hours ago, TKthunder2 said:

    UMass joining the MAC as a full member. No longer going to be a fb independent.

    A lot of people were expecting them to be #12 in CUSA instead of #13 in the MAC.

    Delaware announced they were joining CUSA in late November.  Sure that's somewhere on this thread.

    With the Atlantic 10 becoming a 1 or 2 bid league, I guess UMass decided it wasn't worth staying for basketball:

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/sources-umass-set-to-become-13th-member-of-mac-for-25-26-season/ar-BB1iVNwr

  11. On 2/20/2024 at 11:49 PM, 'stache said:

    Let's say #3 UGA loses the CCG and is (12-1). And let's say #15 KSU is 9-3 and wins the Big 12, gets a first round bye, and plays UGA in round two. KSU then defeats UGA. 

    I suspect UGA will complain that KSU had an undeserved advantage because of the bye. They'll argue it was undeserved because KSU is lower ranked. 

    Substitute any BIG/SEC team and any XII/ACC team. I suspect it'll happen within the first few years. 

    Let's be real.  #15 KSU would be 11-1 and #3 UGA would be 11-2 because of SOS.

  12. On 2/20/2024 at 5:13 PM, Horn of Gabriel said:

    I predict the SEC/B1G push for a 3+3+3+3 model.  3 auto bids each for the top 3 B1G and SEC teams.  3 auto bids for the next 3 top rated conf champions, typically Big12, ACC, and a G5.  And then 3 at-large bids for the next 3 highest ranked that don't fit one of those first 3 (could be another SEC/B1G, ND, Big12, ACC, G5 whoever).

    That model gives a floor of at least 3 spots to the P2 conferences, with upside to get 4 or even 5 in the playoff in a hot year.  It retains access for the Big12, ACC and G5 to get at least 1 and possibly more, and ND can still enter if they're top 12.  They'll also do a rev split model like the NCAA MBB tournament where the most money goes to the most bids and who goes the furthest into the playoff.  Bottom line, most years the B1G and SEC will walk away with 70% of the revenue from the playoff.

    Does anyone know on the NCAA MBB tournament how the rev split works today exactly?  If Texas makes the final 4 they make more than if they get to the sweet 16 but do they keep all of it or is there a % to the conference?  I assume the conference takes some and the school takes some?

    Kind of a cowards way to do it.  Does the SEC want to look like a bunch of aggys?  Earn your spots.  Get incentive pay based on spots earned.  Maybe average over 2-3 years so it doesn't go way up and down.

    I don't like 3 guaranteed for the Big 10 and SEC at all.  What is even more stupid about that idea is that you have to do all kinds of stupid NFL type tiebreaks to figure out who #3 is.  

    With 12 teams in a 5/7 model, the SEC would average around 4 in the BCS/CFP era.  Big 10 would be about 3.5.  But it goes up and down.

  13. https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/39520319/college-football-playoff-board-managers-expected-vote-5-plus-7-format

    WSU/OSU seem to be coming to some sense on 5-7.  If they try to burn down the next two years to get a guarantee later, they are likely on nobody's list for expansion (or scheduling other than in-state schools).

     

    ""...For our two schools in the Pac-12 as it's currently configured, there is no question that five-seven, with seven at-larges, is better than six at-larges," Schulz said. "That's part of the discussion we're having within the conference footprint -- or the two schools -- is that very point. There's no question our football coaches are going to want to compete for one of those seven slots, and seven is going to be better than six."

    Schulz said he views the revenue distribution as a separate conversation from the 5+7 model, and he's not trying to use one to influence the other.

    "We've got to be a good colleague in the college football world," he said. "We asked for the opportunity to have a hearing on [revenue distribution], that was granted. We have to be really careful about saying, 'If you don't give us exactly what we've asked for, we're going to hold up some other things.' The decision has to be one made by us and Oregon State and we're still going through that decision-making process leading up to that meeting next week. There's no assumption to be made that we have to get X to get Y, either way....""

     

  14. On 2/5/2024 at 10:10 PM, 'stache said:

    Oklahoma State started a hockey team a few years ago and next year will compete in the American Collegiate Hockey League as part of the Texas Collegiate Hockey Conference which includes UT. It’s described as a “club sport” so I think they cover their own costs by fundraising. The OSU team plays in Tulsa and next season will be at a new small practice arena built for our minor league hockey club. I’ll probably watch some games in person because it’s close and they serve beer. 
     

    As far as official NCAA sports I’d be curious to know what P5 schools have added sports in recent years. I only seem to recall schools dropping sports and only smaller schools adding sports. OSU built a soccer stadium but we only have a women’s team. It would make a ton of sense to add men’s soccer and women’s Volleyball since they would use Gallagher Iba Arena. Both sports have gained a lot of popularity in this area. But costs are always mentioned when new sports are mentioned, even for those two sports that already have facilities, so probably won’t happen. 

    I don't remember any school adding a men's sport.  A number of schools have added women's sports.

  15. 2 hours ago, USC_TMB said:

    Holy crap… we all knew that the ncaa’s demise, the forming of a Super Conference/“alliance”, and the reconfiguration of sports broadcasting was coming… at some point down line. The speed of all this happening is mind-boggling. Obviously all of this has been in the works for years, just waiting for the first domino to fall, but damn. This went from zero-to-100 like a rocket.

    https://www.foxsports.com/stories/college-football/heres-what-college-football-will-look-like-in-2026

    Somebody on another board found this article from 2016.  This guy predicted the drivers (TV contracts, paying players, content instead of coverage) and the time frame.  Called the expansion of the playoff.  It could have been written today.  There isn't the 24 team super league he predicts, but people are thinking about it.

     

    "...The next window for mass shuffling will start around 2023, when all five* power conferences’ primary rights deals come up within a three-year span. (The Big Ten has not yet formalized its forthcoming TV deals, but reports indicate they will be for six years, ending in 2023. The SEC’s contract with CBS expires in 2024, but its ESPN/SEC Network deal is in place through 2034.) Perhaps more important, the College Football Playoff's 12-year contract ends with the 2025 season. As I’m about to outline, the next big realignment shift will go hand in hand with the evolution of the playoff.

    Only two years into the four-team system, you can already see what direction the sport is headed. The playoff race now dwarfs all other aspects of the season, including the other bowl games...."

     

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  16. https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2024/02/06/espn-fox-and-warner-bros-discovery-to-launch-joint-sports-streaming-platform-this-year.html

     

    This will have a significant impact.  

    "Walt Disney's ESPN, Fox and Warner Bros. Discovery plan to launch a joint sports streaming service this fall, giving consumers a new way to access marquee live sports for the first time, the companies said Tuesday....

     

    From Disney, that includes ESPN and its sister networks, such as ESPN2, ESPNU, SECN, ACCN, ESPNEWS, as well as the ABC broadcast network. Warner Bros. Discovery's networks that showcase sports are TNT, TBS and TruTV. Fox will include the Fox broadcast station along with FS1, FS2 and BTN...."

  17. 5 hours ago, ImissWallyPryor said:

    Yet we don’t have have sports for athletes who have dedicated years of their life playing…wrestling (mostly men), gymnastics (both), soccer (men), rodeo (both), lacrosse (both), etc. Hockey would make more sense from that perspective than rowing. 

    We can afford it.  We probably should add men's soccer and women's gymnastics.  We should be able to shortly be nationally competitive in both.  Don't know that we would ever be regularly competitive in wrestling or lacrosse.  Those sports are just bigger elsewhere.

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  18. 6 hours ago, TKthunder2 said:

    The AAU also changed the formula to reduce ag subsidies as no longer dollar for dollars which hurt schools like Nebraska and Iowa State.

    They never counted those as they were not competitively bid.  Its just that medical and engineering research dollars shot through the roof, leaving those schools without medical or engineering schools behind.

  19. 18 hours ago, statsman said:

    I think they do mean something. Ultimately, universities are academic institutions. Presidents will sell out to athletics, because fund raising is a huge part of a president’s job, and athletics brings alums back and lets a president “sell”. Boards have alums serving, and they want to the alma mater win. 
     
    In this world, academic stature still means something. Fans may want their school to win like Michigan, but faculties and deans want the academic rep of Michigan. Texas can have discussions with Michigan, about common goals and viewpoints, that it can’t have with Clemson. 
     
    I don’t know how long it will take before public universities regular funding is used to pay NIL, but the schools that care about academic reputation will be the ones working to forestall it. 

    If so, why did Nebraska lose their AAU membership after joining the Big 10?  And South Florida got admitted while in the AAC?

    Sure, it means Stanford and Cal get consideration for the ACC.  But it still took SMU's boosters to buy Stanford and Cal in.  Texas, Florida, Georgia, Vanderbilt, Rice and others have all done fine academically without being in the Ivy League or Big 10 or even the Pac 12 or ACC.  The academic alliances have nothing to do with conference affiliation.  Texas is working on the Giant Magellan Telescope in Chile with (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant_Magellan_Telescope

  20. 18 hours ago, YGIFS said:

    Yeah, point taken.  with the realignment...things will be markedly different.  I was speaking from a historical perspective where the SEC's administrative leadership was absolute garbage and the Big 10 was the model of public higher ed research for a half century or more.  To be fair though, don't lump in Georgia or A&M with Texas and Vandy next time though ;)  Apples and shit Oranges to be honest.  But yep. this massive reshuffle is gonna change everything from research alliances to athletics to intercollegiate club sports and all else in between.  This was always gonna happen eventually, but it is just plain weird seeing it play out so fast and so vast.  Not at all what I thought would happen 10 years ago.  But probably for the best...

    Its not going to make any difference on academic alliances.  That is not impacted by sports conferences.

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