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  1. 1 hour ago, Saint Austin said:

    How is the 2024 AAC more attractive to WSU/OSU than the Mountain West?

    Well AAC announced they aren't looking west.  So unless WSU/OSU can peel off some AAC schools for a non-existent TV contract, their choices are:

    1) Join MWC; or

    2) Invite MWC to join you.

  2. 7 minutes ago, The Original Greaser Bob said:

    You seem like you know everything about what Cal/Stanford did to try to survive.  Tell us more.

    Its been pretty unanimously reported that Stanford and Cal had no real interest in the Big 12.  One report a few days ago made a comment that the Stanford president had ticked off everyone in the Big 12, including Yormack.  They looked down on the Big 12 schools.

  3. 1 hour ago, LTbear said:

    Well,

    1) I'm glad to see Cal get in, and

    2) I'm glad to see Cal and Stanford can continue playing as conference foes, but

    3) Seriously, this is so stupid

    I figured this would happen.  But if it dragged on another 2-3 weeks common sense would set in.  The UNC board of trustees and a Raleigh paper had it right.  This is minimal extra revenue--and maybe negative when the contract gets renewed.  Its just not worth it.  Certainly not the Cal/Stanford part.

    Final vote was 12-3.  NCSU flipped.  The way Clemson was talking I though they might flip also.

    It also made no sense from the Cal/Stanford viewpoint.  They really should have been begging the Big 12 and pointing out to ESPN that they would have to pay for 100%, not just 67% in the Big 12, if they went to the ACC.

    Its official now.  Realignment has copied Fonzi.

  4. 11 minutes ago, LTbear said:

    I'm sure this has been discussed at length somewhere on Surly/ Shaggy, but I really liked Applewhite. My dad was a longhorn fan, so I grew up seeing a lot of UT games via him. Correct me if I'm wrong but y'all had some bowl game where either Simms started and was pulled or Simms had just been the starter for several games beforehand, but Applewhite came in and engineered some epic fucking comeback. Fuzzy but I recall it being incredible at the time. Maybe memory is lying to me. 

    Well Simms gave CU the 2001 ccg.  Applewhite came in way too far behind but got within 2 points, 39-37.  Not sure who started the first game against CU that year, but UT won 41-7.  Had UT won, we would have gotten stomped by Miami in the title game instead of Nebraska.  Only time I didn't mind not getting in the title game.

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  5. 3 hours ago, LTbear said:

    Ya fair enough but at some point the right coaching hire will be made. From the outside it seems UT has suffered from 1) always recruiting the highest stars and not necessarily the best fits, and 2) gameday coaching errors from multiple coaches. 

     

    For some reason we got great QB recruits, but didn't have a really good college QB (not counting James Street who was wishbone and was not the planned starter) from Bobby Layne in the 50s until the Applewhite/Simms duo.

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  6. 3 hours ago, Al_4_ISU said:

    They keep talking about the recruiting hit when Aggy joined the SEC, but Texas has been reeling in Top 10 classes the whole time, right?

    Texas football the last 15 years seems like more of a case study in the importance of coaching than anything.  It doesn't matter who you are, if you don't have a good coach, it don't make a shit.

    Not all the time.  Mack's last class fell apart when Charley came in.  Charlie had a top 10 class based on 4 highly rated Florida players.  Only one made it to the first game and he was a backup receiver.  Without them its probably mid 20s.  His last class was horrible.  He only had 6 or 7 commits and Hermann had to scramble.  And Mack's classes were pretty highly rated, but it seems like he didn't look closely into the people.  I think he may have admitted he got complacent in evaluations.  Didn't have many high impact players recruited after that 2005 class.  And Charley ran off quite a few.  Charley's last teams were very average in talent for the Big 12.  Hermann had no depth when he arrived.  And everyone knew he was gone so Hermann's last class was 20 something rated.

  7. 4 hours ago, LTbear said:

    I didn't have too much of a point - this convo started a page or so back, I commented that UT had underperformed relative to its resources and as compared to its peer programs, and a couple of people got hyper-offended by it. Yes, y'all should have won a couple more. Since Royal UT has seemed to often win games but not capture the big stuff. 2005 and obvious and awesome exception. Anyways, I was only talking facts of UT football, not trying to offend a few people. 

    If that was all you said you wouldn't have gotten pushback.

  8. 8 minutes ago, LTbear said:

    Can you explain how your post here relates to UT's number of Big XII titles? I'm failing to make that connection. Thanks in advance. 

    Again, try not to get so easily offended and defensive. It's very aggy-esque. 

    You are comparing us to Baylor.  That is just asinine.  Now you are aggyesque changing the topic because you realize you were being stupid.

     

  9. 6 minutes ago, LTbear said:

    Don't get so easily offended and defensive - that really sounds like Aggy. As I said in my later post you replied to, UT underperforms historically in NCs and Heismans relative to the other mega-brands. Conference titles they've done really well historically, though obviously the last 20 years has been slow. 

    No.  You just made an incredibly stupid comment.  So I threw back facts against your nonsense.

    I have a low tolerance for total bs like you posted.  And then one about Baylor's conference titles was even more stupid.  Your comment quoted above wouldn't have gotten that reaction.

     

  10. 2 hours ago, statsman said:

    Yes, Texas has underperformed. 
     
    Why? Coaching and recruiting. Texas has to dominate regional recruiting in order to be successful. Texas isn’t Baylor, TCU or Okie State; it doesn’t get to have a multi year cycle to develop competitive teams. It needs to be ready for all comers every year. 
     
    Texas’ recruiting took a hit when the Ags joined the SEC. The top recruits want to play in the SEC. Also, that opened the gates for other SEC schools to recruit the state. 
     
    Now, Texas is joining the SEC. Now, Texas gets to pay players. We’ll see if that works as well as I think it will. 

    Texas recruiting took a hit when Mack got complacent after winning the title and then drove off a cliff when Charley Strong took over coupled with the CFP elevating Ohio St., Alabama, UGA and Clemson so they could pick off players anywhere in the country.  It wasn't so much the whole SEC.

  11. 7 hours ago, Zhorn96 said:

    Despite all the headlines the past couple days saying there has been a shift, Cal peeps say nothing has changed and a vote is expected today or no later than tomorrow on formal acceptance of Cal, Furd and SMU into the ACC under the terms previously discussed.  Headlines the past couple days are allegedly click bait bullshit.  Now we’ll see if Cal insiders are full of shit or not

    The UNC shooting seems to have put everything on ice for the time being.  Now its hard to get the presidents together.

  12. 7 hours ago, LTbear said:

    Sure, are those on Amazon? But hey, still, sorry your team hasn't won any more Big XII titles than Baylor, hope you'll be ok. 

    Murder, rape.  14 wins in your first 14 years in the Big 12.  Yes, we are delighted we are not Baylor.

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  13. 15 hours ago, LTbear said:

    One such era in my lifetime. And I'm not meaning to diminish the Brown years, but only two conference titles? However I'll happily admit that 2005 UT was one of the better teams I've seen in my entire lifetime, and that title game was probably the best of my lifetime (hard to beat not only because of the game itself, but because of the season-long buildup when it was so clear who the top two teams were).

    Just like Big Game Bob usually flopped in the big games on a national stage, Mack Brown always found a Robert in his conference, ACC or Big 12, who was a better coach than him.

  14. 15 hours ago, LTbear said:

    Ya but that's kinda the issue, isn't it? Outside of the Royal years Texas is generally massively underperforming relative to its resources. No way Oklahoma should be so dramatically more successful than UT over the course of history. (Texas of course doesn't underperform as badly as Aggy, which absolutely takes the cake in that regard).

    Don't be stupid.  You sound like aggy now.

    You ignored early Fred Akers, Mack Brown, Dana Bible and several others.

    And even DKR had three 6-4 seasons in a row.  Everybody is up and down.  Look at Alabama prior to Saban, worse than the late Mack/Strong/Hermann years at UT.

    Look at Notre Dame in the 24 years between Holtz and Brian Kelly.  Look at the era Michigan just recovered from.  Look at USC.

     

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  15. 1 hour ago, oSuJeff97 said:

    LOL you were the one who brought up relegation. Do you understand how it works?

    National titles from nearly 20 years ago are pretty irrelevant if we are picking the programs that are CURRENTLY the best performing programs. Hell Colorado and Georgia Tech have won national titles. Should they get invited to the SEC?

    All three of those programs I named have out-performed Texas on the field over the past decade-plus.

    I'm not trying to be a dick about it, but it's just a plain fact.

    Again - relegation/promotion isn't about the size of your fan base or accomplishments from 20 or 30 or 40 years ago - it's about how you are performing on the field NOW.

    Yeah.  You are being a dick about it.  Oklahoma St. has a better conference record than Texas since the TCU/WVU additions.  The 120 years of college football before the last 12 years do matter.

  16. 1 hour ago, CustersDoctor said:

    I live in Lubbock and am extremely Pro-Tech. In my view the Surly consensus is very supportive of the B12/16. Lots of parity, good match ups. Ya'll generally think things couldn't have worked out better for the remaining Eight. You generally think very little of UH and consider them the BIG12 bottom feeder, which of course is true. Your opinion of BY was extremely high, but diminished somewhat with his recent comments about the Tech UT game.

    BTW Holgorsen just said to UT & A&M "Screw them"

    That's ok for coaches.  They are supposed to be partisans.

  17. 2 hours ago, billfromlaketravis said:

    Avowed junkie here. I’ll watch every Big 12 and SEC game I can lay my eyes on. 

    Many Big Ten games are a beating. Every Iowa game for instance. 

    That's not fair.  Iowa did get into the 20s in 5 games last year and even scored 33 vs. Northwestern.  It was only 6 games they scored 14 or less!  They were only #123 in points per game.  They scored more than UMass or NMSU!

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  18. 5 hours ago, Magus Ossis said:

    I think one question (to which we obviously can't have an answer until at least 2024) is to what degree the audience that has interest in Texas and OU has a secondary viewing interest in teams that are in a league with them. Does, e.g., a tOSU fan have more interest in watching Northwestern than he would Georgia Tech? The numbers for the B12 contract are based on, among other factors, viewership to date of the remnants. They do not account for the potential decline in secondary interest after the departures. This is one reason why some say that the next contract will be the one that establishes how the 12 can do longer term without Texas and OU.

    Its a fair question, but they are still Texas schools playing.  And KSU/TCU and Baylor/OSU ccgs annihilated the ACC and Pac 12 ccgs the last two years, last year equaling the other two combined and in 2021 beating them combined.  In 2021 the AAC Cincinnati/Houston ccg even beat the ACC ccg.  Last year they weren't even far behind the SEC and Big 10 audiences.

  19. 14 hours ago, Mitch Cumsteen said:

    Do you also believe in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy? 

    For about the 100th time, I'm so fucking done with this thread. I should know better than to venture into the football board. But I really should know better than to come onto the realignment thread. But whatever, congrats to all the Sand Aggies and other left behinds, you win. You now have me convinced and the transfer portal is going to be a net push for the Big 12 and not an advantage to the SEC. The Big 12 will get multiple teams into the playoff. And the Big 12 is just as well or better off now that Texas and OU have gone. Adios motherfuckers. You guys have definitely been watching a different sport than I have the last 35 years.

    Did some sand aggie piss in your beer?

    Nobody knows how the transfer portal will work out.  But big programs are losing a lot of quality depth.  And bringing in some good players.  Ohio St. did lose Joe Burrow--to LSU.  We could have used some of the QBs were have lost over the years.  Georgia has lost a bunch of players-including one of our starting WRs.  Of course they also lost a really talented backup TE to Nebraska who just got arrested for robbing a vape store.  UGA picked up JT Daniel from USC.  Lost him to WVU who lost him to Rice.  We will now be playing JT for the 3rd time-once with USC, once with WVU and now with Rice.

  20. 1 hour ago, 0xdeadbeef said:

     

    The ACC only has 14 Football schools;  15 is with ND in non-football sports.   I assume if any one of those 15 leave it would allow ESPN to renegotiate.

    The problem with Brett McMurphy's point is that he doesn't explain how the ACC could drop below 15 schools.   They all signed the GOR that goes through 2036.   FSU wants to leave really bad. If they had a way to do that, they would be doing it. 

    Unless Georgia Tech or Wake just decides to bail out of all sports, I'm not seeing the ACC going below 15....So there is no need to add teams as an insurance policy. 

    Am I missing something?

    FSU's board seems to think they have a way out before 2036.

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