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On 6/28/2025 at 11:05 AM, Bullneck said:
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On 6/28/2025 at 12:51 PM, Gatorubet said:
Gotcha. Agree. I also liked you pointing out the no God before me concept. Before my paternal grandfather was kicked out of the Mormon church for his alcoholism, that side of the family were all latter-day Saints. The interesting thing about them is they are actually a polytheist theology. And I believe Joseph Smith referred to that particular sentence to validate the fact that there was a cosmic father and mother producing spirit babies, and the teaching that with enough time and adherence to theology that a human man can eventually become a God worshiped by people on other planets.
It's even more polytheistic than that. God was not always divine. God was once human and has become God. When God was human, there was a God over him. A God who created him. When a man dies, he can become God over worlds without number.
It's basically a giant pyramid scheme of Gods.
On 6/28/2025 at 12:51 PM, Gatorubet said:I have to say, that is a hell of a lot better than hanging around on a cloud twanging on a harp.
Not for the women. The men get to create and rule over worlds without numbers, but women must spend eternity pregnant and constantly giving birth to billions of babies.
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9 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:I have known a lot of Mormons. Most of them are the salt of the earth, the best, most kindly neighbors and per capita probably the happiest people there are.
Long post alert and I am leaving out tons.
I often try to avoid posting on this, but these posts get made all the time. For reasons I'd rather not expound on, I've known more Mormons than most of the rest of this board put together. Your impression is accurate about some, but there is a grotesque side that outsiders rarely see. Mormonism is a mix of good people, average people and predators that prey on them. There's a reason Utah has more multi-level marketing schemes and victims than any other state.
First, the happy all the time is a manufactured image and beaten into you as a child, often literally. It's similar to other prosperity gospel groups. If you aren't happy, it's because you need to be more righteous and God will favor you and make you happy. People learn quickly not to show anything aside from a beaming smile. Especially to outsiders. That faux everyone is always happy bullshit is one of their biggest recruiting tools. The women and children are very frequently unhappy, but have learned to keep it to themselves.
Utah's suicide rate is nearly double the national average. Suicide is the leading cause of death for ages 10-17. The suicide rate among kids has tripled in the last decade. It is especially high for LGBTQ+ kids.
Mormonism itself is also in major flux. They are facing an existential truth crisis thanks to the internet and even to South Park, though South Park barely scratched the surface.
As a result, many of the actual salt of the earth people are leaving in droves. Wards are being closed down and consolidated across the country. Exmormon content is some of the highest traffic content on TikTok and reddit. Check out r/exmormon and r/mormon for examples. They realized they've been lied to and exploited their entire lives. Or, they've watched others exploited and can't stay silent, though speaking out often means they are completely cut off by their family, friends, jobs and housing.
Some left because rape victims are shamed and blamed for not fighting back enough.
Quote“The victim must do all in his or her power to stop the abuse. Most often, the victim is innocent because of being disabled by fear or the power or authority of the offender. At some point in time, however, the Lord may prompt a victim to recognize a degree of responsibility for abuse." Elder Richard G. Scott, Healing the Tragic Scars of Abuse, General Conference April 1992 (General conference is where senior leadership broadcasts talks to the entire church and everyone watches it on T.V)
That's only one example of many and it's gone on for decades, at a minimum. It's beyond cruel and makes the worst experience of their life even more traumatic.
Real salt of the earth people don't blame rape victims and they leave cruel organizations where others do blame rape victims.
Recently, a bunch left over how the Mormons treat LGBTQ+ members. You won't see it in public, but many Mormons are fucking monsters to any friends/relatives who come out as LGBTQ+, especially trans. I have a friend who is trans and I'd put the odds at 80/20 she kills her self at some point due to how other Mormons treat her. I'm probably underestimating, she's hardly talking to anyone, or returning texts anymore. I regularly have to ask her to text me an emoji response, so I know she's still alive. It makes me fucking livid that there is nothing I can do, because all the love I can give her is dwarfed by the hate she is surrounded by, including most all of her family and former close friends.
Salt of the earth people wouldn't do that to her. The real salt of the earth people stand up for the vulnerable and are leaving.
Also of note on this issue, you may remember the Mormon "church" spending enormous political capital and members enormous amounts of money to take away LGBTQ+ right to marriage in California. Prop 8 would not have passed without their bigotry.
Real salt of the earth people allow others to live their lives as they see fit, rather than trying to take away their rights.
Others have left recently when they found out the "church" created a bunch of shell companies to hide at least $32 billion dollars from the SEC. The highest levels of leadership were aware and condoned it for 22 years, until a whistleblower turned them in. For 22 years, everyone else, including 3 different President's and all of their first counselors, covered it up. That whistleblower is the only salt of the earth person in that whole bunch.
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-64727764
Real salt of the earth people don't condone 22years of hiding billions from the SEC, they leave corrupt organizations like that. They report it to the SEC if they find out.
Lots of the good people left when they found out about Joseph Smith's many concubines, including his 14 year old "wife" and how he coerced her by telling her that her families salvation depended on her giving herself to him.
QuoteThis promise was so great that I willingly gave myself to purchase so glorious a reward. None but God & his angels could see my mother’s bleeding heart—when Joseph asked her if she was willing, she replied “If Helen is willing I have nothing more to say.”
She lived to regret that decision and wrote about how she missed her lost childhood dearly.
Many of those same Mormons you would call salt of the earth people bend over backwards to excuse this, "She was a few months shy of her 15th birthday". It's fucking gross.
Actual salt of the earth people know that is deeply wrong and are leaving over it.
Others left when they found out about the many "wives" Smith took that were already married, including sending men overseas on missions and "marrying" their wives.
Or Brigham Young's 15 year old "wives", genocide and massacres of the Utah Native American tribes and that he owned slaves.
Or that at least the first 4 Prophet, Seer and Revelators took child brides.
Again, actual salt of the earth people cannot countenance these completely immoral and indefensible actions. Real salt of the earth people leave.
Others left because there is a burgeoning awareness of how rampant domestic and sexual abuse of women and children are. Check out https://floodlit.org, a group who are cataloging all known sexual accusations and instances of direct coverup by leadership. They have a backlog of thousands of cases.
The "church" has a special hot line for bishops and stake presidents to call that goes straight to their lawfirm, Kirton-McConkie, who "investigates" and covers up everything they can.
The "church" actively lobbies to maintain clergy privilege and not have to disclose abuse to police if it's reported to leadership, despite the fact that the bishops/stake presidents have no formal training and are often just one of the richest, most connected members of the community.
Right up the present day, Mormon leadership protects domestic abusers and sexual abusers if the family of the perpetrator is well connected. A friend of mine was married to a man who regularly beat the shit out of her, put out cigarettes on her, subjected her to regular and extremely violent rape. The abuser's family was powerful locally. His brother was a bishop in a nearby ward, his father was the stake president. Every time she reported it to her bishop, he heavily pressured her to not report it and to give the abuser another chance. God had brought them together, who was she to question his will? That's pretty close to verbatim what she was told over and over, to the point where she internalized it and began to see it as her fault. When she tried to complain to the stake president, it was the abuser's dad and he also tried to force her to accept the abuse. When she tried to escalate that, she was scolded for going over the stake president's head. She was frozen out completely and told to talk to the abuser's father about it.
She was subjected to that for nearly two years until I found out some of the worst details she'd been telling the church leaders for years. I decided if his church wouldn't put the fear of God in him, I would. He hasn't come within 1000 feet of her since.
They could have stopped it at any time, but chose not to. Her abuser, his brother and his father all remain members in good standing as of the last time I heard about them. Brother and father were still in high up leadership roles.
You can check the subreddits to see that is far from an isolated case.
The top post on the r/exmormon subreddit currently is about a man who raped his daughter for 14 years, went to prison for it, and has just been re-baptised and forgiven. His daughter's life is destroyed forever, but he's re-baptized, so that sin is washed away for him. Her mother chose him over her own daughter. Welcome back into the flock Elder Incest Child Rapist.
How can any decent person stay in such a monstrous organization. Actual decent people leave.
Kids do one on one "worthiness" interviews with the bishop where they are asked incredibly invasive questions. Many kids first learn about masturbation when the bishop asks them about it explicitly. It's fucked up.
For members, including teenagers, that have engaged in extramarital sexual relations, bishops have total leeway in what to ask them. Virtually all of them will ask how many times, what you did, was there oral, hand, vaginal, anal. Some of them want to know exact positions, did you use a condom, did you cum, did you cum inside her, did she cum?
Just one example.
Bear in mind, the bishop has no formal training, he's usually just one of the richest members of the congregation.
It's a religion literally founded on lies, grifting, predatory behavior and sexual abuse of women and children. It continues to be that today.
So there are three types of mormons left. 1) The ones who are willfully ignorant, despite the internet being at their fingertips, or 2) are gullible enough to know it and try to make themselves okay with it, or 3) the ones who see it as a guidebook for how to prey on the rest of them.
There are still some willfully ignorant good people there. I really do feel bad for them. They are so afraid to find out the truth, they wall themselves off from reality. They are told by their leadership to "Doubt Your Doubts".
I understand it is incredibly difficult to walk away from indoctrination that constant and powerful, especially if you are born into it. They've never known any different.
But unless they do stand up and leave, they cannot be real salt of the earth people. Not if they support all of the above, plus much, much more awful shit. Real salt of the earth people leave such a monstrous organization.
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On 6/13/2025 at 2:37 PM, 'stache said:
I don't know shit about fuck, just speculating. If America get's directly involved, we're all fucked, and I can see it being part of the crazy evangelical bring on the rapture bullshit. I'm convined these days though that most of them don't actually believe their religious bullshit and know it's all a pretext to be a supremecist asshole so they might not do it knowing goddamned well there ain't no rapture coming.
I also think a nuke is going to be used relatively soon and if its used in war anywhere it's MAD thereafter. I've previously suspected that if Putin is truly in danger of losing to Ukraine outright he might nuke Kyiv out of pure desperation or as an ultimate fuck you before putting a bullet in how own skull. Maybe Bibi does it to Iran for whatever whack job reason.
Kids today get everything just handed to them.
They already get to skip class to run school shooter drills.
Now they get to skip even more class to practice the hide under your desk and kiss your ass goodbye drill.
Plus, one lucky kid gets to skip even more class. It's straight to the principal's office for the first kid who points out hiding under your desk isn't going to do shit if you are nuked, and you'd probably wish you were dead if you somehow did manage to survive it.
I wouldn't know what that's like though. It's not like I did that in 4th grade and then again in 6th grade.
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I had some kids suddenly dart in front of me in a parking lot today. Weirdly, I didn't hit them. Didn't even need to run a flashing stop sign on the side of a bus to not hit them.
Probably because when there are children around, I know there is a decent chance one of them will obliviously dart in front of me.
I anticipate this and up my own vigilance, because I don't want to run over someone's little paste eater.
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9 hours ago, Guadaloopy said:
Minus the school bus, no human driver was spotting or anticipating that “kid” in that scenario.
Other than that, how was the play Mrs. Lincoln?
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2 hours ago, Bobby_Batronic said:
The world will know if they used nukes.
However, short of actually using those weapons, it’s a matter of logistics. The IAF does not possess the kind of aircraft that can heft the kind of bunker buster needed to penetrate those hardened underground targets.
Really appreciate the perspective here and had a quick question.
Is the IAF's inability to pull this off with their own planes a matter of payload, range and/or defeating Iranian air defense? Combo of all three?
3 hours ago, staboner said:godammit. trying to start off my no nuke friday in peace and well, shit.
Did you say Mo' Nuke Friday? Because if so, I've got some good news for you...
Gonna have to scooch those hands a bit more clockwise.
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20 hours ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:
I always laugh at all the people from flyover states that talk about what a crime ridden wasteland NYC is, but they come here at Christmas, spend thousands, and then go home, knowing that things are not as bad as Fox News or dear Orange Leader tells them, but still go back to repeating the lies that they hear.
Sips of truth are quickly drowned out when they drink from a firehose of lies.
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5 hours ago, Sbbruin said:
The stupid thing about that is people arrive to Dodger Stadium from literally every direction on the compass. This would service a miniscule number for likely a ridiculous cost.
Not to mention the earthquake risk. It would take a special kind of mouth breather to get in a Musk built underground tunnel in an area as seismically active as LA.
2 hours ago, Firemans4Horn said:Wanting to fuck 14 year olds? Who does he think he is, Joseph Smith?
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His Lawyers closing argument:
Is my client guilty of stomping on turtles? Yes.
Is he guilty of sucking up ghosts with a vacuum cleaner? Also yes.
Does he drive like a manic and have an issue with road rage? Sure, but who doesn't get a little steamed in traffic?
None of that makes him a murderer. Maybe the turtles, but as we showed you, he was stomping those turtles in self-defense.
Most importantly, I want to remind you that the prosecution introduced video evidence of a silent shooter. Silent.
But we've shown you clear evidence that my client is simply unable to enter a scene without announcing himself.
Whoever the shooter is, he is completely silent. You never hear the shooter say "ima Luigi", because it wasn'ta Luigi.
Defense rests.
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Call me crazy, but it seems like the best way to support our "war fighters" would be to use the soft power we used to have to limit the amount of "war fighting" they have to do.
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For anyone that didn't watch It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia, this page has gotten weird.
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On 5/3/2025 at 2:12 PM, Brisketexan said:
Ok, see…that’s one of the billion reasons I hate AI. The correct answer is “they couldn’t, because Neanderthals lived exclusively in the old world, and turkeys are from the new world/western hemisphere.” It can’t think more than one layer deep.-
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On 4/26/2025 at 4:47 PM, tx 3 putt said:
if dart was a 1st round pick, he's a top 5 for sure
It's hard to get an accurate read on Dart. He's only played 1 year with a coach that isn't Lane Kiffin and it's the year Clay Helton finally got fired. Dart is boom, or bust, but has the potential to be a good quarterback now that his coach doesn't have the emotional maturity of an angry toddler refusing to take a nap.
16 hours ago, Derka said:Banks at #9 is an absolute steal. Saints fans are going to be really happy with that pick.
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1 hour ago, Hagbard Celine said:
i would add a poll if i could
Q: how long are we fucked?
- weeks
- months
- quarters
- years
- administrations
- decades
I'll take the over.
The shining city on the hill is burning all around us and too many Americans are mistaking the fire for the light.
When there is nothing left to burn, we will find ourselves well into the new Dark Ages.
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On 4/18/2025 at 4:43 PM, General Specific said:
No South Austin’s mom… explosion something something??? Surly slipping.
And as for the outside of volcanic activity, Dinosaurs under the K-Pg boundary say hi!-
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On 4/17/2025 at 5:45 AM, cabowabo said:
Race will be the next card that is played.
He likes Asian girls?
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Last one and I'll quit hijacking the thread with La Brea chat, but this helps show how absurd the preservation is.
This a 3D model of a 14,000 year old leaf cutter bee made from very high resolution CT scans. Each slice is 3 microns thick.
Left is the eye, right is the abdomen. The flat spot in the middle is one of the wings. There are individual pollen grains and full internal organ system preserved. There is so much preserved detail, scanning and processing them crashed a supercomputer.
Red arrow is the eye. Blue is the wing. Orange is the abdomen.
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29 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:That wall at La Brea is one of the coolest things I've ever seen. Shit, La Brea is one of the coolest things I've ever seen. I'd been reading about it since I was 4, and I visited it for the first time in my late 40s...and I was agog like a little kid.
For anyone that hasn't been, it's a small museum, but definitely worth the admission price. All the outside stuff is free and you can often see a crew digging in one of the pits.
La Brea is what's called a predator trap. Something gets stuck and predators show up to eat it. They get stuck and other things show up to eat them and also get stuck. As a result, there are lot of dire wolves (over 4,000) and other predators.
Each bone in this picture is the same Golden Eagle foot bone from a different fossil specimen. Bones like this are so fragile, they almost never preserve.
It really is incredible. You'll never see another museum like it.
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Here's a cladogram from the Nature paper, you can think of it as a family tree. From left to right is time. The branches show how closely related they are to each other. Each place the branches diverge represents the common ancestor for that group and the number represents how many millions of years ago the split occurred. For example, Andean foxes split from everyone else 6.8 million years ago.
Dire wolves split from everyone else 5.7 million years ago. The grey wolf is WAY up the family tree from dire wolves. They are not very close at all.
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the BYU "Honor Code"
in Daily Texan
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It's not a standard honor code violation. He's accused of strangulation and forceable rape.
https://kslsports.com/ncaa/byu-football/jake-retzlaff-accused-civil/54845