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Posts posted by BluTechsan
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1 minute ago, utee94 said:
You saw on that thread what the "completely objective" computer rankings coming up with based solely on current season W/L. It's stupid and it doesn't work.
I did see that. My issue I guess becomes the meaning of “objective”. Why is it so difficult?
TTU being #1 is not objective.
Neither is ND inclusion’s over USF’sDo we all agree with those 2 statements? It’s not really rocket surgery is it? Why do the actual voters make it seem so difficult?
Sidenote: My honest belief is that South Florida’s schedule isn’t strong enough for them to maintain a high rank all season. But to deny them early when they actually have the skins on the wall to take advantage of that brief window in time to celebrate all the pomp and circumstance that comes with being ranked is an example of where this great sport misses the boat. IMO
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My thread on the subject wasn’t taken seriously, probably due to my TTU fandom but also because that other thread came off as being pro OU so I guess I should have known better.
I won’t bump that thread, however, “objectivity” was also used and that really was the point I was trying to make.
So, this week we have 0-2 ND still ranked (2 top25 losses)
2-1 USF unranked (2 wins vs top25 and 1 loss vs top25)
The message:
South Florida you will NEVER be invited to the party
ND you are ALWAYS welcome
I know that CFB is just a TeeVee show that needs eyeballs and ratings but at what point do the the eyeballs conclude that they no longer give a crap?
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Just now, Darth Tron said:
Yeah, it gets more predictive as the season goes on. Since some of the data is stuff like "expected points per play" and things of that nature, single game occurrences may not turn out like "expected". I do wonder how Alabama v FSU would go if they played again.
Pre-season polls aren’t going away and I agree that they have to start somewhere. I don’t like pre-season pols polls because pollsters and voters are too afraid to admit to being wrong. I just wish people were willing to completely scratch it after week 1’s results come in.
FSU beat Bama. We don’t need to know anything about the past or the future. At that point in time - FSU is better and they should remain that way in the polls until other games say otherwise.
How FSU compares to other teams is subjective and debatable. But their position relative to Bama was settled on the field.
A&M should not be able to claim a Top8 win if they beat ND this week. ND has played 1 game. They lost. They are not Top8.
At least the metrics in the data base you reference has ND at 25
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58 minutes ago, Darth Tron said:
Germane to the conversation:
I maintain a spreadsheet tracking all current 136 FBS teams throughout the season, updating with raw stats every Monday using a proprietary formula to determine a "Power Rating" metric. This metric uses only data from this year, and heavily factors in strength of schedule throughout the various categories. This is the current output of the Top 25. Obviously it's two games in and we'd be surprised if Nebraska ends the season at #4, but as a thought exercise it's interesting to see what things look like when you remove all bias from the previous season.This metric correctly predicted literally every game of last year's playoff, for what it's worth.
I like the attempt at “current results” but it’s obviously brokenNo need to further evaluate beyond Bama and FSU
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2 hours ago, utee94 said:
Counterpoint-- losing to South Florida means you suck, and therefore South Florida has no quality wins, and is inherently incapable of ever having a quality win.
...is part of the circular logic that lands us in a thread like this.
This.
I said this wasn’t about Texas Tech but I think in a small way - or in a loud in your face proclamation - it’s a message to Cody Campbell
The message being: “We still run the show and just to prove it, we won’t use some little upstart peon, we’ll tell a few of our national brands to sit this one out”
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36 minutes ago, WBT said:
There's nothing wrong with ranking teams like that. By the end of the year that would probably converge decently with the actual polls. But the actual polls are probably a better predicter of where things will shake out by the end of the year.
Texas Tech hasn’t done jack squat !!!
Texas Tech is not getting shafted by the polls.
But the last sentence in the quote cuts to the heart of the matter.
The pollster think so highly of what Norte Dame is gonna do in the future they ignore ND’s now - which is a loss
Likewise, they think so poorly of Mich and Bama’s future they are ignoring OU and FSU’s now - which are two wins
We are used to non helmet schools getting this treatment. To see it happening to 4 helmet schools is something new altogether and it’s completely blowing up any pretense and narratives about history, culture, and tradition and is boldly and blatantly proclaiming F all y’all - we decide who we want in our little game and there’s nothing you can do about it. -
11 hours ago, David Dennison said:
Those teams probably aren't revenue generators like Notre Dame. That matters. That's why some 9-3 teams have a much better shot at getting into the CFP than other 9-3 teams.
Yes I’ve mentioned some teams that fit that description.But The thread title is Bama and Michigan regarding their losses to FSU and OU.
Just now, David Dennison said:Because fuck OU, that's why.
I’ve been waiting for that response. This place always delivers.
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7 hours ago, jdhorn92 said:
Why does beating Alabama and Michigan matter? In my opinion its because they have both been very good teams the last x amount of seasons. Bama had a dynasty and is still perceived as a powerhouse. Michigan is a recent National Championship team with a superstar in the making at QB. Beating those teams matters, it just does.
Polls are a point of debate, but you have to start somewhere. Previous year's records, returning starters, recruiting rankings and roster all play into the polls . Tech may not like it but you havent done anything and if you keep winning you will get your shot. If you are a playoff team, next year you will start high/higher and beating you may matter , at some point.
Polls drive fan interest, TV ratings, time slots, network matchups etc...Im not saying its right or its wrong, it just is what it is. College football is glorious for its imperfections. Its becoming the NFL but it still holds on to the subjectivity of sports writers and committees. I think for the most part they get it right at the season progresses and then the next year it resets with some winners and losers. Its not the absolute meritocracy like say PGA golf where the purses and results are defined. College football is its own animal and creates a hell of a debate every year. Going to 9 SEC games and mandated OOC will level the field somewhat.
Giving credit for Beating Bama and Michigan given those team's recent success I have no problem with and neither should you.
Wow! If you’ve mis-read me that poorly and every one else has done so likewise the I do deserve all the shit I’m getting for this thread as I obviously cannot articulate an opinion.
My belief and reason for the thread is that I do NOT think FSU and OU are getting enough credit for those wins.
And I’m asking why not?
What have the teams ranked ahead of them done the past two weeks that is is better? Nothing really save for a few exceptions (tOSU, LSU, Miami)
The answer? Because those teams all had better starting positions. Nothing more. Nothing less.
Look, the question wasn’t why aren’t Miss St and S Florida getting more love for beating ASU and FloridaIt was why aren’t flipping bluebloods FSU and OU getting more props for beating bluebloods Bama and Michigan?
It’s confusing because come playoff time there’ll be a whole lot of talk about the gauntlets teams face in the BIG and SEC
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Of course there will always be biases and tradition when judging these things. I know that. Be can it not be tapped down just a little?
I’d like the to see some resemblance for this being the evaluating criteria
- wins over ranked teams (yes I see the irony here)
- wins over power conf teams
- wins
- losses to ranked teams when compared to other losses
- location where games were played
As I said, I see the irony in using rankings to rate wins when I’m railing against the ranking system. I do. But that can be managed. You wanna put ND in your pre-season top10, fine. But you gotta be willing to drop them after a loss. I’m pretty sure KSU was still ranked higher the ISU even after losing to them in week 1. That’s not a hard call. The 0-1 team should never be ranked above the 1-0 team that beat them. Ever. In the ND example Miami did jump ahead of them and rightfully so but ND hasn’t played again - they are still 0-1 while South Florida sits down there at 18 with 2 top25 wins(but not really because we dropped both of those teams out of the poll for losing to USF)
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5 minutes ago, utee94 said:
In general I agree that polls are silly and biased and the voters are often lazy, and preseason/early season polls are the worst.
But if we're going to say that the team that just beat Michigan has proven more and is better than Texas, then what is Ohio State's claim to #1? If Texas isn't all that, then Ohio State isn't, either.
I understand you're not singling out Texas here and that's not the way I'm taking it, I'm just responding to the general gist of your post with the specific example of Texas.
At some point we have to make assumptions about the quality of a team and during the preseason/early season, the majority of that necessarily comes from the performance the prior season, and the expectation of the current talent and coaching.
Texas was demonstrably superior to OU last year. Texas was expected to be superior to OU this year. So far, a close road loss to the defending national champs and current #1 team, is the only reason to say that OU should be ranked ahead of Texas. But we saw these teams play last year, and it wasn't close.
Thank you for that response. And you’ve swerved into a data point that I believe should matter not one bit - history and prior seasons - if there HAS to be a pre-season poll then yes you need something to hang your hat on. But once the first ball is kicked, new data should replace the old. And wins should matter. Losses too, but only when compared to other losses.
ND at 0-1 and still Top10? They gotta earn that back. Other teams also scheduled tough ranked opponents - and won. They deserve to be rewarded for those wins!
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I’m laughing at the responses.
But seriously, of course yell, fight, scream, politic on hold biases on behalf of our teams but can we not also promote a little objectivity when evaluating the overall landscape of the sport.
Why play the games if outcomes don’t matter? The never ending realignment discussions are always heavily focused on the BIG and the SEC and are told that football just means more in those leagues yet here we sit with FSU and OU virtually getting no credit whatsoever for victories over two of the bluest Blue Bloods on the map.
I really don’t understand it.
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I know that as a Tech fan on a Texas board, I’m a guest and should act accordingly.
But we are all CFB fan tho, right?
I saw a comment in the MICH/OU thread about Michigan being overrated and were the face for all that it wrong with pre-season polls. I disagree about Michigan being the best example for why but I could not agree more about the fallacy of the early polls. And that’s why I’m commenting here and not there because I don’t want it to be only about that game.
I believe the Longhorns will very much be in the mix at the end of the season and I’m not singling them out - in fact, ND is right there with them - top10 teams with losses to top10 teams but ranked ahead of 2-0 teams with WINS over ranked teams
Thus my thread title:
When did wins over Alabama and Michigan stop mattering ????
What has Penn St, Oregon, Georgia, Texas, ND, or Illinois done that is anywhere close to beating Alabama, Michigan, or Florida(and Boise) Heck, even Mississippi St’s win over ASU is more impressive. Iowa St has a non-con P4 win and a 3-0 record. Cupcake this, schedule that - who have those 6 “Top10” teams beat???
It’s always stated that it all works out by the end of the season. But does it? Why does “settle it on the field” only matter during the playoffs?Yes, I pull for Texas Tech.
No, I’m not here to beat their drumb as they haven’t done jack squat either!
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Neither Morton nor Hammond are elite QBs
10-2 is the ceiling
9-3 most likely. 8-4 a real possibility
@Utah, BYU, @ASU, KU will all be huge challenges
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Wow!!
That is not good football by MSU - that’s a gift - pure and simple
That was flat out HORRIBLE D
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Dumb play calling there at the goal line to not roll out the QB at least once
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What sort of BS is that
How exactly do they still have a time out left?
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This is the SECSECSEC - shouldn’t there be a billion camera angles for this review?
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Sun Devils Oline getting punked by only 3 DL
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On 1/28/2025 at 8:29 AM, 'stache said:
With all the talk about the games being “scripted,” it almost feels scripted after all the Chiefs-Refs talk all year the AFC Championship game came down to a close call that the refs blew in favor of the Chiefs.
Except...
that the FACTS support the reality that the Bills and Josh Allen had the ball and time on the clock to go win the game - something they bitched and moaned about not having after the OT loss to the Chiefs that lead to the OT rules change - and they could not make the plays needed to win the game
Ifs and buts and candy and nuts don’t change the FACT the the opportunity was there to go win the game late and the Bills failed to capitalize. Period.
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4 minutes ago, Doc Sam Beckett said:
Lol Chiefs rusher hog tied on the Collins catch
I think you missed my sarcasm
It was a nice blocked FG by the zebras tho
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More proof it’s rigged in favor of the Chiefs
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1 hour ago, Vito Andolini said:
I was just about to post a similar thought. Kept shaking his head thru the game like a cartoon character trying to clear the cobwebs, just without the animated tiny birds circulating his noggin and piano tinkle sound effect. He won’t have a long career in football continuing as a human battering ram, but I suspect that’s the only way he knows how to play. Really glad I won’t have to watch anymore of him moving forward.
He’s done that all season
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Bullshit!!!
Just get rid of replay already!!!!
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Yes it’s been idiotic forever. We are being told that the CFP has corrected it. I maintain that it has not.
I am losing interest (ha, I’m posting on another schools message board) so I assume others are as well. Perhaps new consumers are outpacing us old timers and the ratings won’t falter. I know that I personally am not enjoying CFB like I used.