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  1. I can't believe UO and UW would actually turn down a B1G invite if they can see beyond 5 years into the future. Perhaps this is UO and UW looking to gain some tiny bit of leverage with the B1G (give us more travel money), perhaps its Apple throwing out one more sweeter (but still bad) deal, perhaps its ASU/ OSU/ WSU leaking positive remarks in a last-ditch effort before the final PAC meeting this morning. 

  2. 18 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

     

    ASU insiders reporting that the ASU president is "being a pain in the ass" and dragging things out while the BOR and entire AD want them to go Big XII. Of course said ASU president was also slobbing on Larry Scott's knob til the bitter end. 

  3. 20 minutes ago, Jasper_Jester said:

    This appears to be why Cal is getting caught on their backfoot with no plan in place UC Regents: UCLA to leave for Big Ten, will pay Cal $2 to $10 million, reportedly annually (writeforcalifornia.com) Basically they are getting a check from UCLA to make up for some of the difference between PAC12 payout. 

    I'm guessing they were hearing the $20M rumors and adding $10M to that.

    I can tell you this couldn't be further from the truth. Cal has understood the severity of the situation since the day USC and UCLA left and have been exploring every possible option. There's just not many.

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  4. 12 minutes ago, DanTheHorn said:

    One can be rattled off for most but not all of these schools but then the second is a struggle and what about the third?

    Just do what the B1G does - no arbitrarily forced number of perma-rivals, just whatever is a legitimate rivalry is protected. Makes scheduling a bit more complex but much better. 

  5. 13 minutes ago, bullet said:

    I hate to see anyone left behind, well SMU deserved it, but WSU and OSU have small fan bases.  The only P5 schools WSU outdraws are Duke and Vanderbilt.  They would only be average attendance in the AAC.  Oregon St. only beat WSU, Duke, Vandy, Wake Forest and Kansas over the last 4 years.  But KU outdrew them by 12k last year when KU was no longer the worst team in FBS.  They draw like small private schools despite WSU having over 20k students and OSU over 30k.

    They seem likely to join SWC members SMU and Rice, Tulane (who did it to themselves withdrawing from the SEC in the 60s and dropping bb in the 80s), and Big East members USF, UConn and Temple as the dumped.

    Montana, an FCS school, gets attendance at or near WSU and OSU (23,000 - 25,000 vs average 26,000 and 31,000). 

    That said, still sucks. Back in the day the PAC 10 was awesome. Every single school had a natural in-state rival, with a couple of additional rivalries scattered about. I know many of us are just to old man yelling at cloud stage, but I really miss college football that focused on regionality and rivalries, including the smaller teams, because damn how awesome was it to see stuff like the 1967 "Giant Killers" of OSU or a 2002 WSU team win the PAC (or a Pirate-led WSU team reach 11 wins). I will miss that shit. 

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  6. 3 minutes ago, Saint Austin said:

    I wonder if the "FSU to the Big Ten" talk isn't a diversion of some sort. Doesn't that conference require new members to be in the AAU, which FSU is not? Seems like likely that the Big Ten would poach different ACC schools like UVA, UNC, GT, or Miami, or possibly other Pac-12 castaways instead.

    A diversion made by FSU? I'm not following what the goal would be. 

  7. 26 minutes ago, camel at sea said:

    It still blows my mind that Mandel is operating this way.  It makes sense for a west coast media guy (Wilner, Canzano, Altimore) to play to a local audience and tow the PAC party line - at least to some extent.  Why is the guy running The Athletic acting like he works for the PAC?  He's doing damage to the credibility of their entire outlet.  

    Wasn't Mandel also the guy who used to repeatedly stick up for UCLA's god-awful attendance? Regardless, his continual shitting on the Big XII - talking about its corpse, and putting together an "analysis" of TV numbers so full of bias and errors I wasn't accept it from a freshman-level stats student, has been ridiculous. 

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  8. 14 minutes ago, billfromlaketravis said:

    I think it could be posturing from Florida State to get an unequal revenue share from the ACC. I believe they’ve said as much in the recent past. 

    He addressed that while talking. More or less word for word was "So then we're behind 29 million a year instead of 32 million a year. Who cares."

  9. 15 minutes ago, Sbbruin said:

    I just don’t get how the think they can break the GOR without massive compensation.  

    The way he was talking, I think they may feel that if it costs them a couple hundred million or more, so what - they'd be down that much from the lost revenue (in comparison to B1G or SEC) anyways. So get a spot in a different conference, leave knowing you'll come out even over the course of the time you had left in the GOR, and then sue or see if the ACC totally crumbles so you don't have to pay anyway. 

  10. 5 minutes ago, Park Gothic said:

    The drum that schools like ASU have been banging is not that they share revenue, but that the schools' athletic association opens up the doors for additional academic association. It's not codified in the conference bylaws (like the B1G's Academic Alliance), but the school presidents would be hard pressed to say they only discuss athletics outside of the conference rooms when they meet semi-annually. The schools that align together in the athletic conference (Pac-12) also align together and help each other as institutions, including research projects.

    You are correct that research funding isn't pooled and split across the members of the athletic conference. The argument made by the people in charge at Utah and ASU has been that by associating with schools like Stanford they increase their potential funding from research.

    Personally, I don't know anything about this. If you do, then I'm happy to defer. 

    It is not true; it's just something that sounds right to people online. Grants aren't awarded for athletic association (and that's the only association that is being discussed here), and playing football against another school doesn't make a researcher suddenly realize there are people at Stanford working on similar projects and thus a collaboration could be born (any decent researcher already knows of EVERYONE in their field). 

    FWIW, I'm a college professor who spent a combined 7 years at Stanford and Cal. 

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  11. 8 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

    B1G adds Stanford, ND, Oregon, Washington

    Pac 5 Pod: USC, UCLA, Stanford, Oregon, Washington

    West-Midwest: Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois

    Central-Midwest: Northwestern, Michigan, Michigan State, ND, Purdue

    East-Midwest: White Trash Pod: Indiana, Ohio State, Penn State, Rutgers, Maryland

    9 conference games: 4 in your pod, 1 protected rival, 3 x 1 from each pod, 1 flex that is an extra protected rival for some (ex: ND gets both USC and Stanford protected), pool of rotating randos for the rest.

    No midwestern school is playing more than 1 west coast road trip per year with the exception of ND who wants to, no west coast team is going to the midwest 3-4 times a year. ND gets paid, maintains rivalries, and is in a "have" league for the CFP.

    No idea if they would go for it but it's interesting. Keeps some semblance of regional CFB with a pulse on the west coast, and the B1G gets a monopoly on it.

    Ah, pods. The internet fan fiction that will never die, even though the B1G already adopted a much more flexible (and sensible) scheduling model.

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  12. 21 hours ago, PittsburghTiger said:

    That's fuckin' ridiculous. Up here we have a high school, Belle Vernon, with a gold turf field, and it is dumb, too.

     

     

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    You sure they didn't just forget to water the grass?

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  13. 1 hour ago, Hurtlocker said:

    Interesting twist from Iowa State Media:

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    Seems mirrored here:

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    Then there is this:

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    McMurphy said in an interview that the Big XII has 4 pro-ratas from ESPN and 2 from FOX but they think they could get 4 from FOX with the right group. Which to me just means that the Big XII is looking at either UA, or a group of 3 that must include UO and UW. 

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  14. 2 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said:

    You are confusing causation with correlation dude. Those deals didn’t happen because tv’s are lining up to show fucking houston high on the tube. I have no idea why you are comparing UH’s desireability with SMU. My point was if they waited they could have traded UH and Cincy for 2 additional Pac 12 schools without things getting unwieldy. 
    If they get Washington and Oregon whatever, that’s a huge pickup and no ragrets about anything I suppose, but they’d be better off with those schools, Utah and Stanford than UH/Cincy. 
    byu was a great add. Central Florida was worth doing. They went home from the bar with UH and Cincy at 11:15 when they should have waited until 12:30 instead. 

    You didn’t need UH or Cincy to do that. They add pretty much nothing. 

    My man this is just a dumb take. Hell in their press conference CU mentioned exposure/ recruiting in Houston and Ohio multiple times. But back when the four were add, taking up the most oft-discussed expansion target on PAC message boards (Houston) along with 3 other new teams in new markets absolutely stabilized the Big XII to a degree beyond what simply adding BYU and UCF alone would have done. 

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  15. 22 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said:

    The idea that y’all have, that adding UH and Cincinnati is what allowed the big 12 to get a good TV contract or somehow checkmated Pac 12 expansion is odd. 

    Adding the four is what allowed the Big XII to stick together, stabilize, and start to build momentum. I honestly have no idea how that's not abundantly obvious.

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