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13 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:
Maybe you shouldn't leave out the most key part of their concern over "optics". I know, call me crazy.
I quoted his "optics" comment in my original post. I asked him specifically what optics he was referencing because I am trying to understand what's wrong with the optics. I don't see the same thing he does and i'm trying to understand why that is. My response below.
What are these optics?
DB lent money to Trump to build hotels.
An 81 year old Republican SCOTUS judge decides to retire while a Republican President is in office.
You need to fix your filter because your eyes aren't seeing 20/20 right now.
What is wrong with a bank lending money to a commercial real estate company? Is there something inappropriate about that? Is it not part of their normal day to day business?
What is wrong with an 81 year old Republican SCOTUS judge retiring when a Republican is in office?
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5 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:
The irony of you scolding others about their lack of perspective while doing such a piss-poor job of summarizing their position is, well, it ain't like rain on your wedding day.
Come on. Try harder.
It would be easier to summarize their position if they would actually provide one.
12 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:I don’t know, I don’t have a theory on this.=
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6 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:
But come on, the optics alone on this are dogshit.
What are these optics?
DB lent money to Trump to build hotels.
An 81 year old Republican SCOTUS judge decides to retire while a Republican President is in office.
You need to fix your filter because your eyes aren't seeing 20/20 right now.
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8 minutes ago, Mojo Hand said:
Nah.
Then I guess you aren't a genuine participant in this board.
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8 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:
What is the theory? What non-factual statement have I made here?
You aren't providing any facts. You are implying that there is something improper going on and unwilling to explain what that is.
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6 minutes ago, Mojo Hand said:
No. I don't believe you to be a genuine participant on this board.
Such a fucking cop out. Defend your claim or shut the fuck up.
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9 minutes ago, gsoda3 said:
if you're in russia and you're rich enough to want to move money out, you're part of putin's club. the db fiasco was a bunch of db traders in moscow manipulating mark to market prices to move money, mostly to london. that they got caught was somewhat timely, as db had just the year before spearheaded an investigation into dirty money flowing from russia to europe and concluded there'd been a substantial amount flowing in that one direction over the past quarter decade. that it was actually their own banking unit doing half of that amount wasn't known until a separate report came out after the traders were caught. there's been a long history of questionable, if not downright dirty, money flowing from russia to western europe. ever since the inception of the eurodollar about 70 years ago, when countries didn't want to hold USD in the US, money's been flowing mostly to london to hold USD.
Oh hey.. someone who is actually understanding what the fuck is going on in that article. Fantastic.
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6 minutes ago, Mojo Hand said:
He's right and you're wrong. Like, embarrassingly wrong. You've got terrible troll game. Create some new socks and try again.
Elaborate.
If someone in Venezuela is selling toilet paper on the black market and needs to get that money to a bank in the USA, when does the money laundering take place and why?
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9 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:
No one is above scrutiny or the law.
Again.. is there any evidence of wrong doing or are you pulling this out of your ass?
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6 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:
The thing that concerns me isn’t as much about Trump but Kennedy and his relationship with his son regarding dark money in politics and citizens united.
Citizen’s United was a 5-4 decision with Kennedy writing the opinion of the court. His son was in clear position to personally benefit from the decision and it looks like he may have capitalized.
How much influence did Kennedy’s son have on his dad’s views regarding this topic? We will never know but it stinks.
Awesome.. Now we are throwing baseless accusations at supreme court justices.
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8 minutes ago, kevwun said:
Putin's oligarch club commits crimes inside Russia every single day with his blessing. They also need clean money to buy real estate and other things in foreign countries.
Laundering only matters for the country of origin where the crime is committed. It doesn't matter outside of that jurisdiction.
If it was an oligarch, the money is already legitimate before it leaves Russia. No laundering is necessary.
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8 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:
I don't know how many different ways I have to say, "nothing funny probably happened, it just makes me feel weird."
A better way of putting it is that you are ignorant about the topic but you got triggered because you saw the word "Trump". So your brain got busy trying to figure out a way this relationship could make him look bad.
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6 minutes ago, kevwun said:
That wasn't getting money away from Putin, it was money laundering.
Why do people launder money? Which government was supposed to receive the taxes on that money?
If these guys were committing crimes in Russia and getting their money out of the country, they weren't part of Putin's oligarch club because if they were, they wouldn't need to launder the money.
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9 minutes ago, kevwun said:
Literally the first search result.
http://money.cnn.com/2017/01/31/investing/deutsche-bank-us-fine-russia-money-laundering/index.html
Okay let's examine the story.
QuoteThe latest fines penalize Deutsche Bank (DB)'s failure to deal with a stock-trading scheme that enabled some of its clients in Russia to improperly move huge sums of money out of the country and into offshore accounts, according to regulators.
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The German lender said in September 2015 that it was closing its investment banking business in Russia and would in future work with Russian corporate clients from abroad.
So DB was helping Russian clients get their money away from Putin and we fined them for it. I would have figured we'd want to allow that money out of Russia so their economy would collapse and Putin would get fewer tax dollars.
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How many posters are reading through various posts counting words now? Talk about completely unhinged.
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10 minutes ago, kevwun said:
Deutsche Bank does a lot of business with with the Russian mob and pretty much anyone who doesn't want to answer a lot of questions about where the money is coming from.
Can I get a citation on this? They are a public company.
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10 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:
I know you are patting yourself on the back for what you think is a genius retort, but this in no way applies to the current discussion.
This is like a coworker showing up to work with bruises and telling us that she fell down the stairs, and then 6 months from now we find out that her husband previously got arrested for beating his ex. Sure there's a perfectly logical chance that she did fall down the stairs, but you're trying to tell me I'm crazy for raising an eyebrow at the situation.
Yeah that's a poor analogy because you have not established that any part of the relationship could be considered improper. You are implying something improper is going on and not explaining why that is the case.
A commercial bank lending money to a real estate company is normal business. What about that specific loan would lead you to believe it was not a proper relationship? I am sure Trump was looking for the most favorable terms for his loan to increase his odds of success. All you need is one party willing to take the other side of the agreement and the loan occurs.
The other "nefarious" aspect to this story is that a supreme court justice retired when the current president is of the same political affiliation. Is that collusion? Are Russians involved somehow? What am I missing?
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8 minutes ago, kevwun said:
Deutsche Bank is shady as fuck outside of any of their dealings with Trump. I'd be leery of anyone who has ties to them.
Care to be more specific? I've heard Goldman is bad but never heard that Deutsche Bank was doing anything improper. I've heard that the bank is failing and that it's important to Germany, but not that they were shady.
It's also my understanding that they are one of the biggest banks in the world and that overlap would be pretty ridiculous if anyone and everyone that has ever done business with them is guilty by association.
I think you have to be really careful with guilt by association in general. Everyone who has ever had a Netflix account should not be associated with child porn thanks to that story that broke yesterday for example.
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9 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:
The sad part is even if I did have something, including a flaming smoking gun, it wouldn’t make one shit of difference.
I was going to say the sad part was that even when you know you don't have anything, you still double down.
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7 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:
I feel like you're purposefully ignoring that nobody has even presented a theory, which is a pretty crucial part of something being a conspiracy theory. The comments are mostly, "hmm this is a fucking weird coincidence"... WHICH IT ABSOLUTELY IS, clean or not.
Is it more or less likely that someone who has achieved the highest level of success in their career path(SCOTUS) have a child who is also successful? That seems normal to me.
Does it seem odd that someone involved in commercial real estate would borrow money from Deutsche bank? I wouldn't expect it to be. What exactly do you think the function of a bank is?
Occam's razor... A Republican justice wanted to retire when there was a Republican President in office.
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Seeing stories like this pop up is a sign the left has almost reached rock bottom. I never thought I'd see such a large group of people go through this level of cognitive dissonance over losing an election.
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7 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:
Presenting facts are not conspiracy theories.
This is challenging for the pizzagaters to understand.
I don’t have a conspiracy theory on Kennedy but these facts about his son and Trump smell like shit.
Misery loves company I guess...
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11 hours ago, Pods said:
The trolls have been really hard at work lately and the panic in Meadows/Gaetz et. al was palpable. There must be something about to break.
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Supreme Court Justice Kennedy to Retire at the end of July
in Cloak Room
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What the fuck is this word salad supposed to mean? I asked why Hugo thought the optics were bad and so far I don't see that question answered. What about these optics make you think something improper is going on. As I pointed out, Kennedy's son left DB back in 09 during the real estate crash and started a REIT. So since 09 he's actually been competing with the Trumps.
If there is a reason to suspect impropriety, put it forward. Playing 6 degrees of Kevin Bacon and replacing it with Russia innuendo is getting tiresome.