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Posts posted by AnotherLawyer
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1 hour ago, immamac said:
Its actually hilarious that there's so much film on this guy and you guys have seen most if not all of it repeatedly and you still haven't come to a consensus because of emotional garbage or who knows what.
Quinn Ewers was painfully adequate. That's the enigma here.
He was obviously an elite talent, who has head scratching mediocre film for a substantial amount of his career.
He also has a pretty crazy highlight reel that is easily top 5 every season he played. Dude makes insane throws and had incredible touch.
He also had complete shitfest games that are inexcusable at his level or for an NFL caliber player. Think OK State + Georgia reg season
Everyone has arguments that are correct on aspects or portions of his body of work, but Quinn as the complete body of work is just Painfully Adequate.
Shit, man, it's meaningless but I can agree with this take. It feels like a lot of us get pushed into a this-or-that corner with no space for argument, and by a relatively small number of choose-sides contributors.
But, you know, congrats on having the Worst. Thread. Ever. now that the wrestling forum is gone.
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21 hours ago, Derka said:
what does this mean?
21 hours ago, hobbes2702 said:It’s nonsense
There are field-relative throwing drills and receiver-relative throwing drills. The problem with a lot of younger guys is that they and their private coaches focus a lot on stationary or field-relative throwing drills. For example, throwing over a stationary net into a big bucket or onto a matt or tarp placed on a spot on the field to try to teach things like arc and touch passing, or knocking down stationary targets like cones. Those help with certain routes where you're trying to throw to an open place on the field to let the receiver go get it. That's relative to the field.
There are other drills to help coach young QBs how to lead a receiver, which shoulder to choose, high or low, knowing how the route is run and throwing to where you expect the receiver to be, etc. Those are relative to the receiver. It's not always easy to run receiver-relative drills in private coaching. You have to have access to receivers.
Most, but not all, receiver-relative drills lean towards precision. Most, but not all, field-relative drills lean towards accuracy. Since the guy who taught me used the terms interchangeably, I've always used them interchangeably. That's wrong.
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9 minutes ago, Derka said:
first off one gif doesn’t prove anything. secondly, using clips from the michigan game as representation of QE’s overall body of work? talk about not arguing in good faith.
Again, that's not what I said. He made a definitive, simplistic black-and-white "never" statement. There's a gif that shows "never" is false. "He's inaccurate." "Here's a gif where he's accurate."
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7 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:
Are you by autistic by chance?
That's cool, man. You do you.
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Just now, BurntOrange&White said:
Except he wasn't accurate even throwing to spots down field.
There's a gif a few posts up from the Michigan game that disproves that. He throws downfield to a place where only the receiver can get and actually has to lean forward for it. In all fairness there are plenty of examples of throws like this and throws where he's off-target. Maybe you mean he "mostly" wasn't accurate downfield? I can agree with that for 2024, especially later in the season.
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11 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:
So if someone isn’t accurate, what’s the word for that?
Saying it doesn't make him an accurate QB overall is not the same thing as saying he's inaccurate.
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13 minutes ago, Nivek said:
I could argue that he was highly accurate with his down field passes. His precision was off, but he missed his receiver often the same way.
You make a good point. As physical concepts I mostly think of accuracy and precision as interchangeable and receiver-relative, like placing the ball over the outside shoulder rather than the inside shoulder, for example. Ewers threw to the same spot regardless of where the receiver was. From a field-relative standpoint, he's accurate. From a receiver-relative standpoint, he's accurate on certain routes and not others. A lot of these guys who trained with the same small groups of private coaches have outstanding field-relative accuracy.
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13 hours ago, MrBig said:14 hours ago, hobbes2702 said:
It’s 57th percentile in the last 5 years of college football. So pretty much the definition of average.
Last year in the NFL the top 50% of starting QBs ranged anywhere from 60% OTR up to 80% for 10-19 yards but most were bunched between 65%ish-74%ish. There were outliers like Jalen Hurts who had OTR in that range as high as 89% and Jacoby Brisset who was down near 50%. Arguably, it's a more important metric that under 10 or 20+. Burrow, Mahomes, and Geno Smith played in offenses that emphasized the short game--more than 500 attempts each under 10 yards, and you had passing attempts under 10 ranging anywhere from well over 500 attempts to just over 250. In contrast, the highest OTR QB 20+ was Justin Hebert at nearly 75%...but on 30ish attempts, not 500. But pretty much every starting QB had roughly 70-100 attempts between 10-20 yards.
I don't know how FBS shook out last year overall. 57th percentile may be middling, or it may be a standard deviation or more away from mean. In my opinion, that doesn't make Ewers an overall accurate QB. It doesn't mean he's inaccurate either.
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5 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:
You’d think if his ball placement was good on intermediate throws his completion percentage and on target rates would be better than middling.
64.7% OTR is good. There’s no real statistical difference between mid 60s and low 70s. High 70s to 80+ is otherworldly.
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3 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:
If he “isn’t an accurate QB” how is it disingenuous to say that word that means that?
And he didn’t have accurate placement on those throws as the numbers above point out.So much parsing of language and excuse making.
I thought we were in agreement that completion percentage wasn’t the same thing as accuracy? Ewers had good ball placement on those routes. Downfield he was horrible after Bama two seasons ago.
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Yeah...cool.
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It's relevant to BOW being a know-nothing shitstain. Probably almost half of GD's bad playcalls were FUPM. Colt getting hurt against KSU? "No...run it again."
I can agree Ewers isn't an "accurate QB," but it's disingenuous to say Ewers was an "inaccurate QB." He was shit on the deep ball. He usually had accurate ball placement on intermediate middle routes.
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2 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:
Then you read the Greg Davis sentence….
He wasn't wrong. GDGD was a good OC who was held back by Mack Brown and a lack of self-confidence. Our playbook was the size of the Greater Houston Yellow Pages, but he had a small list of about 15 plays taped to the front cover that he would resort to whenever he got nervous, which was all the time. And FUPM wanted so badly to be known as an Xs and Os coach that he would frequently jump on the mic and overrule whatever play was called.
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Whatever.
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4 minutes ago, Derka said:
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
i said that you’re a moron if you believe that QE was throwing 80+ in middle school, and this was the response i got which led to the debate. there’s “easy to find video of quinn doing these things”. except that no there isn’t, because he wasn’t throwing 80+ in middle school, as his agent said he was. that’s been the argument for the last 3-4 pages. not sure how you and thatguy missed it.
That's not what I said. You're clearly not stupid, so I have to conclude it's intentional misrepresentation since you cut out what I actually DID say. And proved yet again my point that this is why it's difficult to have a civil conversation with you. I imagine you actually have reasonable, insightful opinions to post, but Jesusfuck it's bookended by vast quantities of this kind of shit.
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2 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:
I stood by my stance the entire time that accuracy and pocket awareness can’t be taught.
And I gave you two current examples demonstrating that it can.
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2 minutes ago, immamac said:
Xavier Worthy doesn't seem to have much issue tracking the ball from his new QB either...
Cool. We talking about Ewers specifically or accuracy/pocket awareness generally? And is the standard of comparison how an 8th-year, All-Pro, MVP, Super Bowl winner throws? Because almost none of the QBs drafted in ever meet that standard.
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Jesus Christ, you are just the most miserable son of a bitch I've ever met. I honestly feel badly for you.
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1 minute ago, BurntOrange&White said:
for every Josh Allen/Lamar Jackson there are a dozen Miltons, Richardson’s, Levis, Jamarcus Russels, etc. every nfl coach thinks they can teach those things. In reality they rarely do. These are legit god given things that can be honed in but the clay is the clay when sculpting. Nothing will change your mind because you’re looking at it as a negative towards Quinn from me but it’s not just a Quinn thing.
Nope. I'm not talking about Quinn. But if we're talking reality, in reality, players rarely succeed in the NFL. For every one that succeeds there are literally dozens who get the chance and don't for some reason or another. Can it be taught? Yes, it can and I gave you two current examples. You want Ewers to fall into Leach's category of 'can't be taught' so badly that you'll ignore objective proof to the contrary.
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9 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:
Sorry you don’t know ball dude. Those are legit two things that are god given. There are coaches and scouts who think they can change that but it rarely ever happens, especially with accuracy. If you’re not very accurate in college with larger windows the chance of being more accurate in the pros with tighter windows is slim to none.
You think Johnny Manziel practiced his pocket awareness and he’s one of the best QBs with regards to that. Pocket awareness is a feel and you can’t coach a player to feel and mentally process that feeling to make the correct decision on when to roll, bail, or take off.
No? Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson are two *current* examples of how accuracy can be taught at the pro level. And every single NFL coach will tell you that pocket awareness can be taught. Will some be better than others? Of course. Can someone who has a different ceiling be taught to be as good as some natural talent like VY? No, but they sure as shit can be taught.
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56 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:
That’s literally correct. Those are two things they have or don’t have.
you can’t coach a 11 second 100m guy to be a 10 second 100m guy. It’s just traits and skills that people have.
There are physical and mental ceilings for everyone. That's genetics. You have a 6'0" 25-year-old? You can't teach him to be 6'5". You have an 11-100 14-year-old? Who knows if coaching will improve him or not? Technique may shave off half a second. Physical maturity may shave off another half second. Or he may have reached his ceiling at 14.
Some kids' mental and physical abilities are synchronized at an early age. They get things right away. And some kids are physically capable and mentally capable, but aren't synchronized. They have to be taught. All Coach Leach is saying is that if someone isn't accurate in high school, he's probably not going to be accurate in college or the pros. He disagrees recruiting/drafting based on physical measurements alone. There are a lot of people who disagree with him.
Aside from that, there are dozens of drills for pocket awareness and there are examples all over college and the pros of kids who succeeded or failed to make the mental and physical connection. For some it just clicks at some point. It's called the "game slowing down." For others it never does.
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47 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:
pocket awareness much like accuracy isn’t something that can be coached. But I definitely agree Miami is the perfect spot for him due to their offense style and having lowest depth of target in the nfl.
Yep. Every successful QB is just born accurate and aware, and there are no drills or coaching techniques for it and never were. Nailed it.
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Cool, man. Cool. Have a great weekend.
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1 hour ago, Derka said:
vince young maxed out at around 74 yards, but sure, 14 year old quinn was throwing 80+. anybody who believes that has probably sent money to multiple nigerian princes.
He was around 16 when he chucked it 80ish yards. Back in the day the video was on maxpreps.com. Then tOSU put one out on IG or Twitter of him throwing about 80ish when he was there. You can probably still find those videos everywhere through a Google search. Whatever happened seemed to have happened between 18 and 20, but it was clear he didn't have the same arm strength after the Bama game in 2023. It doesn't look like he's capable of throwing more than maybe mid-60s now except maybe once in a blue moon, and it's looked that way since early two seasons ago.
And VY is a weird comparison. He had that weird wind up and almost shot put motion. VY had to have been really muscling it to get over 70ish. It probably would have been more apt to shit on 14-year-old Ewers by comparing him to Roethlisberger, who threw that 80+ yard incompletion 5 or 6 years ago that was all over Sportscenter for a while. It's harder to believe that 14-year-old Ewers threw 80 yards if Roethlisberger and his perfect throwing motion at 6'5" threw 80 yards at the farthest.
It's stuff like this that really makes it difficult to engage you civilly. There's easy-to-find video out there of Ewers doing these things, but you decided to insult people instead of fact-checking yourself.
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