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  1. 18 minutes ago, Machinator said:

    Herman has his faults, but if you get the QB room and OL room in order, which he has done, you're going to win a lot of games, especially the Big 12.

    Agreed.  And it's not as if we're completely whiffing on D either.  Really like the athletes on that side of the ball and the coaching they receive.

  2. 7 minutes ago, Istian said:

    The list of schools that has ALL of those things built in is significantly smaller than the list you provided. CTJ is absolutely right in saying that the FLOOR should be top 5. I would say that USC is the only school that has anywhere close to the inherent recruiting advantages that Texas has. 

    Makes sense if it was a level playing field.  Bama, LSU and Georgia are all willing to play the game a different way.  

  3. 6 minutes ago, Burt Macklin said:

     

    Clemson takes small classes, so they’re lower in overall rankings, but two of those classes were top 5 in avg per recruit, so they still had to get top 5 type talent to win. 

    Obviously scheme consistency and development matter a ton, but if you want to look at which teams are going to consistently make the playoffs, it will be the teams most consistently landing top 5 classes/top 5 avgs per recruit. 

    OU did a great job enhancing their talent through QB transfers (not counted in the recruiting class rankings) and a brilliant offensive scheme, but they flat out didn’t have the talent on defense to win a title despite having three years of Heisman QBs. OU not Landing top 5 classes proved the point that they needed to, not the other way around. 

    The difference between the #10 class and the top 3-5 classes is massive. It can be made up for through great scheme/development, but it makes the margin for error razor thin. There’s just no reason the margin for error needs to be cut that small at a program like Texas. 

     

    Solid points.  I'd just offer that expectations are at times unrealistic given the circumstances.  We didn't hire a coach with a national rep (Saban / Jimbo) and immediately credibility.  We also don't have recent success/stability on our side (i.e. Riley / Day).  Not defending all things Herman.  He has his flaws and there's an argument to be made we could've capitalized more on various things.  But, given the circumstances I think landing Top 5-10 classes at this point is doing quite well.  Give it another couple years of 10 win seasons, B12 championship games/titles, etc. and cruising in the Top 5 in recruiting rankings should become automatic.

  4. 16 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

     

     

    Also, Clemson cannot reasonably be pointed at by anyone else as an example. They are their own thing, to their credit. Herman isn’t going about it Swinney’s way, even if he’d like to do so. 

    To the extent we're talking about strong player evals irrespective of recruiting services rankings, maintaining continuity on the staff and working toward ridiculous facilities, I'd say he's following Swinney's model to a T.  He's also publicly stated he leans on Swinney quite a bit as a mentor.  As far as any of the other influences, I have no idea.

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  5. 40 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

     

    Well and good, but top 5 classes every year should be expected. That’s the standard. Texas has every recruiting advantage possible at its disposal. Herman has done it right. I expect this one to be in line with that and predicted as much before the cycle. Top 10 is livable but a problem over time when the title winners close in the top 5 every year. 

    Agree with most of this, but the title winners don't all hit the top 5 every year.  See Clemson.

  6. 6 minutes ago, Elmer_Fudd said:

    Just messing with the class calculator, but adding Lindberg, Thompson, Collins, and Johnston would put us at #5 currently with only 14 commits.

    Unless we completely regress on the field this year it's hard to imagine a scenario where we don't end up with a Top 10 class.  If things fall the right way (i.e. Johnny Wilson, Ringo, Robinson eventually come around) it could be Top 5.  Either way, if you're stacking three Top 5-10 classes in consecutive years you're going to have championship caliber roster.  

  7. 19 minutes ago, Machinator said:

    Not strictly 2020-related, but apparently we're kicking the tires on LSU DB Kelvin Joseph, who's in the portal.

    Interesting.  I'm all for adding talented players to fill out the roster, assuming assimilation to the culture is probable.

  8. Just now, SquishMitten said:

     


    Nothing good of late as it pertains to program building? Take a step back from recruiting, and think about the last football game we played.

     

    The Samples news is disappointing.  Don't blame him or Texas at all, but disappointing nonetheless given our struggles in DFW.  Overall, it's hard not to be very bullish on the trajectory though.  No question.

  9. Noted TH mentioned today how long it took both Mack and Dabo to reach championship levels.  I believe it was 7 years for both.  Said he thought we were ahead of schedule, but needed to remain patient and build the program to last.  It's times like right now I have to keep reminding myself to remain patient and not react in the moment.  Not a ton of good news of late.

  10. Didn't BC have some supposed heavy flirtations with Oregon and LSU at one point?  In the end, it appeared to be posturing to obtain the salary/title bumps.  Always got the impression TH was in on it and needed the leverage to secure the raise for him.  If this has to do with Samples I hope it's similar in nature.

  11. 9 hours ago, Goodman said:

    Think you are serious so let me be the first to tell you that Clemson pays, they pay big. That Dabo you see on TV, the one that will baptize you in his office and you might confuse for Hugh Freeze cheats like him too.

    No clue if they pay or not.  My only point is until the last year or so their recruiting rankings haven't been on the same level as Bama/UGA.  They're somewhere around the top 10 every year and have been for the last decade, but haven't regularly camped out in the top 3 spots.  BL:  You don't have to have a top 3 class every single year to be in the CFP and win NCs.  It's not some automatic relegation to 2nd tier status.  The UGA game last year is case in point.

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  12. 5 minutes ago, Michael Knight said:

    No, we're at the point where we either have to start paying the top recruits to come here or focus on the next tier.

    Simply not the case.  There's more than one way to build a program.  Bama/UGA do it one way, other teams like Clemson do it another.  It would be ideal to land errrbody, but not doing so doesn't automatically relegate us to 2nd tier status.  Take a look at Clemson's recruiting rankings the last 10 years.

  13. Lots of discussion about the inability of this staff to maximize resources/opportunities.  The counter to that is the possibility TH doesn't view it the same way and instead sees staff continuity, culture and program as the key to long term success.  The chart below depicts Clemson's rise under Dabo.  As most have read, he's been very loyal to his assistants and notorious for valuing staff continuity and culture/program above all else.  I'm not trying to say TH will have the same success, just offering there's more than one way of building a program.  Bama/UGA do it one way, Clemson did it another.

    Year Rec Rnk Wins Bowl Poll
    2009 36 9 Gator 24
    2010 27 6 Music City NR
    2011 10 10 BCS 22
    2012 20 11 Chick-Fil-A 9
    2013 15 11 BCS 7
    2014 16 10 Russel Ath 15
    2015 9 14 L NCG 2
    2016 11 14 W NCG 1
    2017 16 12 BCS 4
    2018 7 15 W NCG 1
    2019

    10

         
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  14. For some perspective in terms of number of committed recruits for teams ranked in the top 50 in recruiting:

    Avg # of committed recruits:  15

    High:  22 (Michigan, Minnesota)

    Low:  7 (Texas)

    Pre-season Top 10 teams # of commits:

    Clemson:  18

    Bama:  20

    tOSU:  19

    UGA:  14

    OU:  14

    Michigan:  22

    LSU:  20

    Florida:  17

    Texas:  7

    ND:  16

  15. 7 minutes ago, Not a Sock said:

    We had the fucking momentum coming off the sugar bowl and the staff completely wasted it what makes you think they won’t do the exact same thing again?

    We had momentum if we wanted to take those willing to commit on the spot (or close to it).  Pretty much my point.  This staff appears to be shooting for the stars across the board and unwilling to accept fallback options at this point.  That would imply they're willing to bank on a stellar season convincing the higher-rated recruits to head our way.

  16. Assuming Lindberg, CTJ and Dorbah join the fold in the next month or so we'll increase our composite score to 205 and jump from 43 to 19 with a per recruit score of .9379.  So, there's that.  How we're going to go about filling the other 10-12 spots remains a mystery at this point.  It would appear this staff is comfortable with shooting for the stars and taking their chances on a lights out season providing some momentum.

  17. 16 minutes ago, texifornia said:

    Nope. I want us running train on the conference every year while OU experiences our pain of the last decade. You need to meet some more Oklahomans and rebuild your hate reserves.

    I used to have much more hatred toward OU than A&M.  And then I actually attended several games against both opponents and felt much differently.  The only fanbase anywhere close to as obnoxious as A&M is Tech and they don't win enough to matter.  A&M is by far the biggest threat to our long term progression along with being unquestionably the most annoying.  I want them to lose every game they play.

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