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  1. 2 minutes ago, TxEx84 said:

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    CLEMSON – The Clemson football program is 3-5 in its last eight games against Power 5 conference foes or Notre Dame. That includes presently 0-2 in the ACC for the first time since 2010, and unranked with four other ACC teams ranked.

    Could be worse: The Tigers are a few plays away from 3-7 in their last 10 games against major college teams (wins of 34-28 at Florida State and 27-21 over Syracuse last season).

    It's nothing a few key transfer-portal additions and a couple of coaching-staff changes won’t fix before Clemson muscles up for what should be a great 2024 season-opener against Georgia in Atlanta.

    But Clemson fans likely won’t have to wait that long to soothe the sting of a relatively disappointing season with big-picture perspective.

    School administrators indicate an announcement about a Clemson bolt from its growing financial disadvantage in the ACC relative to SEC and Big Ten schools is coming soon, probably along with Florida State and North Carolina and perhaps another ACC school or more — even as University of South Carolina officials try to block Clemson from the SEC.

    How soon?

    “Sooner than later,” a Clemson senior administrator said last week when asked about a timetable

    Sometime in 2023?

    “Stay very tuned,” the administrator said.

    It’s possible this is about pressuring the ACC into more incentive-based action.

    But it’s certain Clemson officials believe the ACC’s grant of rights agreement that theoretically ties member schools to the conference through 2036 can be negotiated. Or as another Clemson official said, “there is strength in numbers if we’re not the only (departing ACC school) doing the negotiating.”

    While most Clemson administrators and fans prefer a move to the SEC, the Big Ten is a possibility.

    The process, perhaps unfolding, might go like this:

    • The Big Ten gets serious about adding a Southern tier led by North Carolina — the top non-Notre Dame prize for both the Big Ten and SEC — and also including Clemson and Florida State, with perhaps Georgia Tech and/or Miami.

    • The SEC counters, wanting North Carolina primarily, and seeking to block such a major Big Ten (or Big 12) move into its footprint.

    While SEC officials this week again declined to talk about specific schools, SEC Commissioner Greg Sankey was to the point in his annual SEC Media Days address while in Atlanta in July of 2022. Sankey said the SEC is happy with the move to 16 members with the addition of Oklahoma and Texas.

    “But we’ll watch what happens around us,” Sankey said, “and be thoughtful but be nimble.”

    Very thoughtful and nimble, you can bet, probably including teams of analysts working in a secret basement at SEC headquarters or off-site in Muscle Shoals.

    Meanwhile, at South Carolina, there is a mix of joy and angst.

    Beamer’s recruiting edge
    “Our fan base and coaches do not want Clemson in a league that gives us a great recruiting advantage,” a school senior administrator said. “We respect what our fans want. (And) we will play (Clemson) in all the sports anyway.”

    Gamecocks head football coach Shane Beamer in August talked about that precious recruiting edge. He said how thankful he was to be in a conference other schools are scrambling “privately or publicly” to join.

    “I mean, every time I look on the phone there’s a school in another conference that’s begging to get out of the conference that they’re in and into the SEC,” Beamer said. “They’re leaving, they’re just trying to figure out how and when.”

    Well aware of Gamecock Nation sentiment, Clemson officials have been “politicking hard,” a Clemson senior administrator said, with both the SEC and South Carolina. A primary selling point: With the SEC almost certainly moving to nine conference football games in 2025 or soon after, having Clemson as a conference opponent will make South Carolina’s non-conference scheduling simpler.

    That's maybe not the most convincing argument.

    But the SEC recently added Texas without Texas A&M holding a welcome party.

    The Big Ten remains an option, the Clemson administrator said. Scheduling would be alleviated by other ACC schools joining and a renewed rivalry with Maryland. Association of American Universities academic status, as reported by Brett McMurphy, is not a prerequisite for Big Ten expansion candidates with other academic qualities (Nebraska is the only Big Ten member not part of the AAU, which doesn’t include Clemson).

    A memorable 2023 season?
    One way or another, one conference or another, change is as likely as a Saturday morning drive-thru line at any Chick-fil-A near a football stadium.

    The ACC in May announced a “success incentive initiative” to start in 2024 designed to stratify revenue sharing within the conference,  but it doesn’t come close to alleviating concerns at Clemson and Florida State. The Big Ten gave out $58.8 million per school in fiscal 2021-22, the SEC $49.9 million and the ACC between $38 million and $41 million, with the ACC gap sure to grow with new Big Ten and SEC television deals.

    Clemson, Florida State and North Carolina were the “No” votes Sept. 1 in a 12-3 ACC decision to add Stanford, California and SMU. North Carolina’s Board of Trustees took the hardest stance against, as seen in a pre-vote statement issued by its trustees.

    “Although we respect the academic excellence and the athletic programs of those institutions, the travel distances for routine in-conference competitive play are too great for this arrangement to make sense for our student-athletes, coaches, alumni and fans,” the statement said.

    It’s already been a rough football year for Clemson.

    Something is brewing that might make the 2023 season more memorable.

    Just in time for a 12-team playoff in 2024.

    Follow Gene Sapakoff on Twitter @sapakoff

     

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  2. 18 minutes ago, Doc Daneeka said:

    What’s petty about discussing relative popularly and watchability of various programs in light of the “mean ol’ Texas was selfish” talk from people who had what they had in large part because Texas is more of a draw than they are?

    Who cares?... 

    You want to have a dick measuring contest with Oklahoma State? Be my guest, Brah.

    As far as the mean old Texas shit, I mean it is what it is. Texas has wanted to get paid instead of being a good business partner since the beginning of the Big 12. Are we going to try and pretend it was anything else? Why would we try and delude ourselves? Nebraska wanted to get paid, Missouri wanted to get paid, Colorado wanted to get paid, A&M wanted to get paid, USC wanted to get paid, UCLA wanted to get paid.... Texas wanted to get paid, and it is what it is.

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  3. 59 minutes ago, statsman said:

    The flex is- there aren’t going to be any Big XII games on ABC in Texas. There will be SEC games involving UT, OU or TAMU. There won’t be many Big XII games on ESPN; most will be on ESPN2, etc. Texas could have Big XII games on Fox, unless there is something bigger like a Big 10 game involving blue bloods. (Think Fox will put a Big XII game on Fox when Texas plays Michigan?😄). 
     
    Maybe they will have Texas-Auburn on ESPN instead of ABC, so they can have the UH-TT game on ABC. Does that seem likely to you?

    ESPN isn't paying all that money for media rights to just put every Big 12 game on ESPN +. That just isn't happening.

    As far as talking shit because you are leaving for a different conferece... that seems like some dumb aggy shit to me. We only won the motherfucker like three times, so it can't be that terrible of a conference.

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  4. 6 hours ago, notre dame joe said:

    It seems somewhat straightforward to me.  These contracts all purportedly have a clause that say a member loses voting rights when they withdraw or let everyone know they are going to. 

    This.

    It is clear in the bylaws, and from recent precedent, that a school loses board voting rights upon notice of withdrawal. All of these universities that are leaving have had regents meetings where they voted on leaving the conference, and they have all made announcements of their decicions to leave the Pac 12. This is pretty straight forward.

    If the teams wanted to liquidate and distribute Pac 12 assets, they should have held a vote to dissolve before they actually left the conference.

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  5. 3 hours ago, statsman said:

    The first step will be seeing the ratings in Texas (where the B12 viewership numbers are), when a TCU-BU Fox broadcast goes up against, say, Texas-Arkansas, and later OSU-TT goes up against TAMU-Auburn. 

    I do not watch TAMUs, Auburns, or Arkansas games, so you can count me in for TCU-Baylor and Tech-OSU.

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  6. 47 minutes ago, gatormarc said:

    Weren't they talking about giving some performance based payouts at one point but no one wanted to give up money to pay for it?

    That has to do with CFP payout distribution, but perhaps that also includes reserving a portion of the conference media rights distribution for CFP inclusion and success.

  7. 52 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

     

     

     

    Was about to post this. I have no idea what is going on, but I do not believe it was ever reported that the Big 12 had "conversations" with those schools. 

    Hopefully it means CalFord is going to the Mountain West.

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