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Posts posted by gatormarc
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12 minutes ago, Richard Kimball said:
SEC was a bad example of how conferences used to be. I was thinking in the SWC and Big 8 mindset. However, it got you on the board and started some convos, so, like with the youtube guys that predict conference realignment, you don't have to be right, you just have to be interesting.
Yup. You got me looking back and it seems that smaller conferences with round robin schedules was the standard for about half of the power conferences for decades.
One one extreme, you have the SEC, which never did it.
On the other extreme, Texas was always a member of a round-robin schedule except for the 15 years of the original Big 12 setup.QuoteWhat I'm also wondering about is that you're going to have some teams that have a permanent rival of something like Vanderbilt, Kentucky and Mizzery. Then someone else will have Bama, LSU and Georgia. Those examples may not play out exactly, but there's going to be some serious bitching about the schedules, and somebody's going to be convinced they're getting screwed. Those scheduling meetings better be held in offices without breakable furniture.
It sounds like they are struggling to balance rivalries with SOS.
The closest I could see to what you having above would be if they really stuck with "rivalries are the most important" which would give Tennessee something like Bama, Vandy and Kentucky while Auburn would get Bama, Georgia and Florida.
They've already been proactively reminding everyone that this is only 1/3 of your conference schedule and that this is probably just an 8 year agreement and that they will reevaluate after a couple rotations.- 3
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3 minutes ago, Hurtlocker said:
The problem usually isn't that Kentucky can't play 10, its that when they play 10 and no one else does, they're at a disadvantage.
Honestly, I'm not sure if Kentucky has ever played 10 P5 teams in the regular season.
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1 hour ago, TrashMaster G said:
So there is a really deep history in the SEC of pussy-level conference schedules... Hmmmm.....
No wonder there is still so much resistance to the 9-game schedule.
Definitely a bad combo of always being the largest major conference while playing the fewest conference games.
It sounds like most of the SEC is good with the 9 game schedule and the extra $$ it brings.Kentucky is the loudest program having gone public with their 8 game push. They want to drop Louisville if we go to a 9 game schedule, so I think they are pushing the SEC to drop the P5 OOC requirement as a concession to give their vote.
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11 hours ago, elfenix said:
totally on brand for the SEC.
As soon as I'm allowed more reactions, you've got a hook 'em coming your way.
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15 minutes ago, camel at sea said:
Yeah. The SEC has a bunch of longtime members who have hardly played. LSU-Tennessee have played in football only 34 times ever. LSU has played Georgia 33 times. Bama has played Florida only 41 times (and it would be quite a bit less if they didn't meet so much in SEC title games.) They've been gaming schedules to inflate win totals for a long time. Their conference ended up with so many "brands" in part b/c they weren't knocking each other down during in-conference play.
There are certainly examples of teams rarely playing each other like above but there's also been plenty of interplay between the Big 6, but they were often locked into annual series rather than rotating.
Three of the Big 6 have traditional rivalries with a 3/5 of the other "Big 6":
Florida - Georgia, Auburn, LSU
Alabama - Alabama, Tennessee, LSU
Auburn - Alabama, Georgia, Florida
LSU - Florida, Alabama, (Ole Miss)
Georgia - Auburn, Florida, (Vanderbilt)
Tennessee - Alabama, (Kentucky, Vanderbilt)
Divisional play evened it out since it created Florida/Tennessee, Georgia/Tennessee, and LSU/Auburn but at the loss of Florida/Auburn once the league went to 6-1-2 format in 2003, guaranteeing everyone played at least 3/5 of the other Big 6 members.
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10 minutes ago, Richard Kimball said:
Thanks for getting that. I checked Bama and several others, and they had each played each other each year. Must have picked all permanent rivals. Anyway, good to see you on the board.
I think it might be a case of you bad lucking into the outlier that is Alabama Football.
Bama used to, on average, play more SEC games than everyone else.
Prior to the 80s, there were no set number of conference games. They would often schedule 1 or 2 more conference games than everyone else. At one point they played 8 conference games at the same year Tulane only played 5.
In the early 80s, the league locked down to everyone playing the same number... so a couple of their games vs Ole Miss were actually out of conference matchups.
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41 minutes ago, Richard Kimball said:
For example, up until 1991, when Arkansas and South Carolina joined the SEC, each SEC team played every other SEC team every year. In a four year college career, a player would visit every other school in the conference twice, and would play them at home twice.
Long time lurker, first time poster. Had to create an account to point out that this is 100% incorrect.
The 10 Team SEC played a 6 game conference schedule up until 1988 and played a 7 game schedule from 1989-1991.
I'm fairly certain everyone had 5 permanent rivals and the other 4 teams would rotate with the final 1 or 2 games, and there was usually 5-7 years between home-home series.
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