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Posts posted by Nicole44
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5 minutes ago, royiv said:
I have no idea how I would act if one of my family members was a victim, but I’d like to think that I would not want to be put through the trauma of a trial. I would like to think that I would find peace knowing that this guy will never spend another day of his life as a free man.
I have no idea how I would act either. I would like to think the same but you have four sets of parents and all seem to want different things. At least two sets wanted a trial. And one set of parents definitely wanted the firing squad. At the end of the day, I was concerned more shenanigans by the defense attorney. And if the Judge approves and accepts the plea deal it’s over and he has to admit guilt. And maybe other things as well. And a lot of families don’t get that even with a conviction. So there is that. It’s hard because for the past several months I been sparring with all these asshole Papa Roger types on X who believed he was framed and I just want to shove shit in their faces if he does admit guilt in all four killings. These people are like incels on steroids and I just want to crush them. I don’t even think him pleading guilty and writing a long statement of what he did and why and how and even producing a bloody knife he stowed away somewhere will ever shut them up. Ever.
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6 minutes ago, Fondren & Main said:
I mean it’s pretty stupid. Dateline said no DNA evidence was found in his car which would introduce substantial doubt into the case of him being the killer. They presented so much more odd stuff about this guy though that I think he’s one mentally twisted individual. He would go on hikes in the middle of the night in the woods by himself. I mean what was he doing, meeting with Satan and Son of Sam’s followers. He also broke into his fellow grad students apartment and took random things apparently more than once. They have his car on the security camera multiple times and his cell phone pings. Seems pretty clear to me. He did it.
Some people think the DA’s office leaked that shit to Dateline for the new special they did a month ago. Add to that last week the defense in an hearing offered up four individuals as alternate suspects. In Idaho the defense must do this pretrial. I’m actually cool with that,
The Judge said no. That all four people had been cleared via DNA so the writing was on the wall that the defense was strapped into the rollercoaster 🎢 and no off-ramp. The state was more than thrilled to take this plea but I do wonder what the Judge will think of how they “consulted” with the family members on this case and if it meets the terms of the Victims Rights Act.
The Judge was pretty pissed about the Dateline leaks. I mean Dateline even had never before seen camera views of his vehicle speeding away from the crime scene.
TLDR:So in short, the Judge would not allow the defense to present at trial any of their alternate suspects and the state never wanted to try the case anyway. So we get a plea which does save a lot of time and money. He will die in jail I guess and he has to admit guilt for all four murders.
But damn I feel bad for the families.
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8 minutes ago, futureman said:
I haven’t followed the case and only read posts from the recent update. but he has defenders?
Yes. And some are saying he still did not do this. But we shall all see at the change of plea hearing on Wednesday. This hearing might be a huge clusterfuck if some of the parents are super pissed. Steve Gonclaves was on News Nation tonite urging people who know the Judge to persuade the Judge not to accept the plea deal. Brian Entin (who I follow for many cases bc he’s simply superb and he never sleeps I guess) has been amazing on this story. His thoughts are below and I don’t disagree. The gonclaves family has felt from day one the victims families were treated as adversaries by the state. They put out a rather lengthy statement which can be found on Brian Entin’s page. It’s really pretty shitty but I think Brian is spot on here.
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Why do these type of killers pussy out when the DP is in the table? I mean you he casually killed four people brutally and he’s scared of getting put down? Why? Maybe sitting on his ass in prison seems like a good trade?
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8 minutes ago, Foosters said:
I'm not saying he didn't do it. He's not admitted anything yet. The tentative plan is for him to admit for the plea deal. If you're going to kill him either way, then why would he plead?
If the knife can be found and he can lead them to it and it still has DNA on it I might “accidentally” kill him on the way back to jail, oops my taser I mean my gun went off oops my bad. Right thru the heart too. Damn.
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19 minutes ago, Foosters said:
IMO, plea deals don't involve the "how or why." Simply a plea of guilty or No Contest to the agreed upon charges.
I know that Idaho has the State Victims Rights Act which requires the state to consult with the victims’ families for such a deal. I guess we will see at the change of plea hearing on Wednesday. I would at the very least they would be able to face him and make victim impact statements to him. Who knows? I would prefer for the sake of the victims that he make a complete confession but I don’t want to ever speak for them. If it’s my child I’d want to know why. But that’s me. And I do realize that with a whack job like him who is likely a psychotic sexual sadist we will never truly know WHY even if he tries to explain it. He serves no purpose other than target 🎯 practice in my view and I wrestle with those thoughts bc I pretty much don’t like the DP but if ever there was a case that fits it’s this.
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The parents of the victims are world class pissed and supposedly want the Judge to delay his decision to accept the plea deal when they have the hearing on Wednesday. At least two sets of parents wanted him to face trial (Xana and Kalyee’s parents) so I don’t know if that will factor into the judge’s decision. Reporters are still trying to get the terms of this deal so I am assuming it’s not an Alford Plea and he will have to admit guilt and I suppose the how and why which would honestly be better than years of appeals or some kind of antic at trial that causes a mistrial and further delays.
the BK defenders are super quiet on X. Allegedly he wrote letters to the family members of the victims. Trying to get all of this confirmed but it all comes from very reliable sources who have covered this story in depth from day one,
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I don’t need him to go on and on like the BTK did but I would hope the deal requires him to say more than just guilty and offer up the how and the why. But who knows.
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holy fucking shitballs.
also sounds like the parents of the victims were blindsided by this. I’ve always believed he was guilty as fuck and deserved the fire squad awaiting him. Still…3 years later basically and they bypass the family members when they had a pretty damn good case against this destined to be fish food loser.
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14 minutes ago, Satchel said:
The only answer is to give everybody in America a gun. We’ll be much safer.
We just need more lakes. Weight em down and they will never be found. Or so I am told. 😉
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Seems like (as with many of these shooters) that in addition to ideology/politics that the shooter was a walking red flag prior to this. By that I mean a record/history of screwy behavior as well.
couple of prior violent incidents:Attacked someone with a knife previously- Charges were reduced. 🤦🏼♀️
Issues with threatening family members with violence.
we have all these psychological profiles of what many of these types of people are like and I am sure that the profiles help to thwart potential shootings/bombings/mass casualty events all the time. Many we will never even hear about. It just frustrates the fuck out of me there isn’t a place to stick shitheads like this prior to them ending the lives of others. I know. It’s not realistic or even legal. Just tired of evil fucked up people.-
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I found out the other day that a family friend’s son who is 21 and with the IDF was killed. Just awful. These are Old friends of my dad’s (who passed away in 2005) so I had not seen them in years and bumped into them in Dallas last week. I’d love to be optimistic about any agreement that curtails the violence and deaths and brings peace and prosperity to that region of the world but it’s been such a part of all of our lives it’s hard to see there will be any end in sight. To me it’s not political. It’s a vital thing to bring about this peace and Idgaf who brings it about. Anyway it was shocking to learn someone I know had lost a loved one to this ever going conflict that makes us all want to rip our hair out. ✌️
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7 minutes ago, bolverk said:
His Facebook profile is down.
https://www.facebook.com/people/Wess-Roley/100094065606797/?_rdr
Yeah. I don’t have time to “sleuth” him out but seems like a few have found his picture. I don’t know why I was expecting like an older person in their late 30’s -50’s. I’m personally glad for that bc an older person might have caused a lot more damage? I guess I was expecting someone older. When in reality any idiot with a gun could have done this. Awful.
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there are some comments underneath that I cannot corroborate but nonetheless the killer’s name. And I am sure with that reporters will be able to find out a lot. As y’all can also.
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I have heard the unedited unredacted portions not widely shared and I agree with this, it’s already bad what happened the portions of the audio not widely shared can be found. Hearing it won’t help, it’s fucking awful.
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One fucker gone. Whether he was a lone fucker or part of a group. He dead.
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From local reporter:
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At least with nightfall they can use FLIR.
A lot of tweets have the scanner audio. I just searched for it and this popped up. So I am not trying to promote any particular tweet or account. It’s mainly the audio from earlier I was trying to share,
Fair warning that the below is tough to listen to.
Tough to listen to. 😢
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Like all shootings speculation about the shooter(s) is rampant, it does sound like there could be wounded firefighters that responders are unable to get to. People saying shooter(s) could be a part of all types of groups and all types of motives. Some even saying it could be Travis Decker the ex Army dad who murdered his three little girls and has been on the run for about a month. But yea…I have no idea and I don’t care whoever it is needs to be neutralized now. I know in scanner I heard them say if you have the shot take it. So hopefully they can get it done soon.
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4 minutes ago, TexArcher said:
What kind of fucking animal targets firefighters?
I get that some people have a problem with cops and other officials. But firefighters? Those are the closest thing we have in this country to actual heroes. Them and hospice nurses.
This is sickening.
Yeah. There is NO mistaking who fire fighters are and that’s just fucked on every level. Hopefully they can neutralize whoever did this. I honestly don’t care who the person(s) are. What their beef is. If they are just a lone crazy or attached to something else. Fuck em. Drown em in the lake.
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Just now, TexArcher said:
Jesus, he keeps saying "individuals" and that it's likely to be a "multi-day operation."
What the actual fuck, man?
Yes. Depends on which scanner link you listen to but this was a pre-planned event. Not sure of anything else beyond that. They can’t stop the fire bc the threat has not been neutralized.
Just now, Nicole44 said:Yes. Depends on which scanner link you listen to but this was a pre-planned event. Not sure of anything else beyond that. They can’t stop the fire bc the threat has not been neutralized.
Sheriff saying they are actively taking sniper fire, so who the fuck knows,
4 University of Idaho students killed in home - Suspect in Custody
in Daily Texan
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I don’t normally but I watched quite a bit of News Nation (Brian Entin’s station with Dan Abrams formerly of MSNBC) last night. They have done excellent coverage on this case.
1. The parents are indeed split with the Goncalves family being the most vocal and wanting both the trial and him to be executed. Xana’s family also wanted a trial. The two other sets of family members appear to be ok with this deal. All four sets of parents had basically been saving up money to live in Idaho for the trial. All four sets have felt that the state has been adversarial with them. They have all been under a gag order for almost the entirety of this case. The DA floated the idea of a plea at the end of a meeting with the parents on Friday. Then the next day they received an email with the plea deal and an attached letter with the DA writing he felt they would all be pleased with this as it would spare them the gruesome details of the trial and spare them years of appeals. He will never get out.
2. it would have been impossible to please all four sets of parents, but he will plead guilty if the Judge accepts the deal, and admit to killing all four and waive his rights to any appeals and die in prison. Which given the uncertainty of appeals and any antics at trial is more than most family members in other cases get.
3. If he pleads guilty to murdering all four he’s a fucking monster. No different from the fictional Michael Myers in Halloween. Many people believe that Maddie was the target. He had no idea that Kaylee was also in her room. Intended to sneak into the house and sexually assault and murder Maddie and it turned into a blood bath. I struggle with my feelings on the Death Penalty but do believe in it for cases like this one and at the very least his fear of being put down caused him to take this plea.
like others have mentioned: the state tore down the house. This I felt like could be an appealable issue along with multiple challenges about the DNA genealogy site and his expectation of privacy on how they connected him to the knife sheath. The defense had already requested yet another delay in this case last week which was denied and I had every expectation the defense would try multiple shenanigans at trial to get a mistrial. And further push back the process. And it did feel as though the state just wants all this shit to go away. Their approach to this case has been almost reluctant like they didn’t want to be there. If you can’t get all gung ho about keeping a quadruple murderer who took a selfie right after the killings and was already on Amazon looking to replace his knife when can you?
pretty much agree with most of what y’all have said. At the end of the day he will die in jail and have admitted guilt, I just feel he’s better suited to target practice as he will offer nothing in this life and imo cannot be rehabilitated. He’s just a place holder of a human being.