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  1. 15 hours ago, TrashMaster G said:

    The debt makes sense, to a point. Big-time football is advertising for the university as a whole.

    SMU saw a decline in student quality when they shut down the football program for the death penalty. Conversely, their move to the ACC saw the opposite effect. Better and more students means more money, now AND later. So, going into some level of debt to keep your name as part of the game makes sense.

    There is a limit, however.

    this makes sense for a private university like SMU

    but for public universities especially in a state like Iowa or Arizona that only have 3 public universities or Nebraska that has 2 large ones plus a very small one or Wyoming with a single public university it is impossible for those schools to keep out most state students especially in favor of out of state students

    and in face one can look at the UC System and even the Cal State system and see that it is not football that is driving enrollment at a lot of those universities it is the academics that make them desirable.....in a state that has something like 30 public universities they have the ability to have high admissions standards for in state students all the more so when they have some really good schools available for students with lower freshman metrics 

    they still do a shitty overall job serving their population at the top schools, but it is not because football is making them popular it is because they would rather keep the academics up and let students end up out of state 

    this is an argument that uH, north Texas state and Texas Tech fans cannot grasp.....they think football being good will make them popular and thus attract better students and better students will make improve the reputation of the university.....but the reality is with guaranteed admissions that are extremely low, campus enrollments that are straining the total that gets you to "economies of scale" and is moving towards lack of economies of scale (something that Texas still deals with and has for decades) the only way to make a university more DESIRABLE (popular) AND to raise the academics is to raise enrollment standards and then raise your academic reputation off of that

    thinking that a very large (or a massive one) can become better academically by enrolling more warm bodies (or good ags WHOOP!) and using sports to help drive that (and in the case of aggy all types of alternate admissions that are very easy to meet and that game the freshman metrics) is the john not-so-sharp plan to fuck over a university, drive their enrollment through the roof, enroll a lot of "going through the motions" types, and to actually take a cut in state funding on a per student basis because a lot of those warm bodies are enrolling in majors that are not funded at a high level by the stare formulas......and it fucks your endowment dollars to student ratio also.....all of which is bad for the overall academic reputation and desirability especially for top students with a lot of options 

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  2. 15 hours ago, UpperWestside said:

    Or take the hit to the ego and drop down to the FCS. If you’re going into debt to fund your overall athletic program you are sending the message loud and clear that the school cares more about athletics than education. This is such an incredibly ridiculous American mindset. Get young people a quality education that they can then use to help out in society. But no, let’s get more state of the art practice facilities built for our football team that never wins anything that matters. Screw the students here to get an actual education.

    https://sportsdata.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances

    https://sportsdata.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/104151

    it is hard to talk shit about Utah being broke with that going on 

    bad news champ....ASU subsidizes their athletics with $19 million+ in academic side funds 

    over the last 20 years the academic side subsidy for ASU has been at least $10 million per year with the exception of two years when it was $8 and $9 million and for the last 10 years it has not been less than $10 million and in 2022 it was $75 million (da covids)

     

  3. 16 hours ago, B00M said:

    Dumb question…. If this can happen to a public university like Utah because of brain dead board decisions, what’s preventing it from happening to Texas? 

    unpopular answer......Texas already has a "PE deal" with The Moody Center 

    no matter how anyone terms that deal it is a PE deal.....Texas got a facility built (it was stated it was for free, but the Moody Foundation gave a lot of money) and it was a private entity that built it, it is a private entity that manages it, it is a private entity that takes a share of the profits and then shares some with UT (though they do not take that share from the UT sporting events) and in the end they paid up front money to build the facility, take a portion of the profits for a number of years, and then the deal ends 

    worse yet as I have stated in the past Texas used to manage 100% of The Drum (and get the profits), but now they do not have to do that......but somehow I doubt a single person that was on staff (or at least a single position) that was responsible for managing that venue was let go, assigned to the new managing company for Moody, or placed into a different position that was actually a needed job......they are probably just the same people pushing around paperwork that looks a bit different because it is on corporate letterhead and not UT letterhead and they just "read and approve it for UT) 

     

    with the Utah deal there are out clauses and there is an end point to the deal where Utah gets all of their "stuff' back........I was surprised that it was a shorter period of time than I thought......there is also the odd "see shares to large donors" aspect to it that I find stupid......either large donors are looking for a tax break on a most likely failed investment that gives no return and might go to zero or there are some dumb people out there with a lot of money 

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  4. 42 minutes ago, redswingline said:

    The extra practices you get from a Cheese-Dick bowl game isn't gonna make a team tangibly better the following season.  

     

    but it will help with the final rankings and the rankings to start the next season

    sure everyone knows that some teams will be coming to the game with 40 players suited up these days, but that win to end it all helps you start the next season ranked higher.....and that helps the whole conference 

  5. 3 minutes ago, The_Great_Hornsby said:

    BYU fell 1 spot. But other than that I agree. The committee switching the teams at the last second was bullshit. Shouldve been switched last week. 

    you are right it was Miami jumping two spots.....and I know "fuck BYU (anal only please thank you)" and "fuck the Big 12" will be said around here, but really BYU should have stayed in the same place just like Alabama......because they have lost to a single team and once in the CCG while Alabama has lost to 3 teams and their CCG loss was just as bad as BYUs was.....but they stayed right where they are.......and they looked like shit

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  6. the bullshit part is their system to try and keep everyone interested

    they put ND above Miami even with Miami beating them early in the season (and really two losses in a row should get you tossed from contention anyway even to start the season and especially with no CCG to win).......they do that because "well ND is always in the hunt"

    but what they did not expect was for the ACC to be a steaming pile of shit that was about to have no team in and that would really bitch and cry about that.....all the more so with their "affiliate" ND getting in......but even in the next to last rankings ND was still above Miami......and well "tHe U iS bAcK" (yes this year forilz riltalk they are bacc!) so then they are looking at the ACC with no team in and the AAC and CUSA with a team in and suddenly somehow Alabama does not fall even one spot after getting thumped in the CCG, BYU falls two spots (even though all we know is that one team can beat them two times while three teams can beat Alabama)......and Miami jumps two posts for doing jack shit while ND falls one spot for doing jack shit

    that is just total bullshit and back room fuckery  

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