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  1. 1 hour ago, Beau Vine said:

    Examples?

    Few mens basketball

    The Florida football coach turned down a lot of jobs while he was at Louisiana until he finally took the Florida job.....he did not take the $3 to $4 million jobs he waited for the $7 million guaranteed for 5 to get it done in 3 years or get fired job

    Dutcher San Diego

    Fickell turned down a lot of jobs at Cincy until it was clear Ohio State was not calling and that moving to the Big 12 might be a bigger issue than he thought

    Satterfield his replacement turned down a lot of jobs while at Appalachian State

    O'Sullivan turned Texas down in the past

    how many coaches turned Texas down before Smart was hired.....how many turned Texas down before Strong was hired

    several coaches turned down Louisville and Kentucky for their basketball position

    I am not sure Alabama got their first choice in football

    LSU baseball had some coaches turn then down before they hired their current coach

    a lot of coaches are not as eager to make the jump to the first "that is a way better job" these days.....the Florida football coach would have probably given up $2.5 million per year if he had taken some of those other jobs instead of waiting for Florida......if he had been successful there he would have still been in line for about the same money he gets at Florida.....if he was not then he is a very young guy with a long way to climb back up and with a lot less money in his pocket......when he leaves Florida he will not need to do a damn thing if he does not want to

    when you get past football and mens BB and down to baseball where the difference might be "only" $1 million or so to make a big jump......well $5 million more ($1 million per year guaranteed for 5 years) at Texas vs. knowing you are good to go where you are for 7 or 8 years and your money will be bumped up every 2 years or so AND you can always make a jump is appealing to a lot more people these days

     

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  2. 6 minutes ago, IDIOTsavant said:

    Outside the box idea, but I’d like Chris Fetter to get a look. As pitching coach, he was the driving force behind Bakich’s great year at Michigan and has done a pretty good job managing the Detroit Tigers staff through youth and injuries the last couple of years. Obviously not the typical Texas hire, but his pitching coach resume is solid with big league, minor league, and college experience as well as serving as a big league scout. Rumor was he was the guy to replace Bakich at Michigan  before he turned it down due to their mess of an NIL program at the time. He’s only 38, but I think he’s got a really bright future managing a college program at some point. In any case, I’d rather look his direction than Bakich’s.

    I can get on board with something like this especially a proven pitching coach

    interesting reading about him

    In 2021, the Tigers lost a pair of assistant coaches to head coaching jobs at their alma maters: third base coach Chip Hale to Arizona and assistant hitting coach Jose Cruz Jr. to Rice.

    Hale is doing "ok" at Arizona (I think they took their loss of a coach to LSU hard), and Cruz is not exactly lighting it up at Rice, but they are in a bad situation overall 

  3. 2 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

    Pierce has had 8 years to figure it out....he hasn't. especially in the new NIL+Portal landscape. 

     

    He has regressed every year since 2022.

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    Do you think Pierce will be competitive in the SEC? He's like 21-31 vs SEC teams during his tenure at Texas. Staying with a coach just because is not a good reason to stay with a coach especially while you're throwing out every excuse in the book to not look at other candidates. 

    if you look at the conference record he has improved it is the OOC that has not....I know members of this forum like to shit on the Big 12, but even this year I think it looks like the Big 12 is playing some pretty good baseball especially down the stretch it is just coming from teams that most generally do not expect to play well.....and we know that every Big 12 team lives for the "well beat Texas season was successful lets go home"

    I think Pierce does shit like Muss did at Arkansas basketball he uses the regular season to "try shit out" to "get ready for the post season" and fans at some places....like Texas do not accept that shit especially when you roll into the post season feeling over matched

    Augie did some of the same shit his last CWS winner was 16-10 in conference and his last CWS appearance team was 13-11

    I think the main issue with Pierce for me is again feeling over matched and not deep enough to feel like the team that comes alive to make it to the Supers or the CWS will carry it on to the end

    I am not actually a fan of the "try shit out in the regular season" style of coaching because I think it just shows you have weaknesses you have not addressed.....but I am also not a fan of "put a Texas uniform on this coach and he has to do better than where he was" style of hiring

    in this case I would hope for Pierce going out there and NILing the shit out of some pitching and hitting.....but who knows how long he has to do that the way things look it might be a week or two at best

  4. 2 minutes ago, D3zii said:


    okay I get you, but hones Rather it’s this year or next who’s really going to become available???? It’s not like a new crop of coaches are going to become available next year if we wait. If you can do it make the move if not, then I get it. I do believe CDC won’t make a move if he can’t get who he want. 
     

    I say we just sit back and let him work, as far as I know he hasn’t made a bad hire yet 

    I share that concern.....but I think if the Oregon State, ECU, Tennessee, Alabama, or any of the others mentioned are available this year with the possible exception of the Florida coach they will be available next year as well even if it cost more money and cost another year added to their contract to come here......and I think the wait to see what the Oregon State guy can do under adverse circumstances, if ECU is really building something, if the Alabama coach can progress, and if the Tennessee coach does not blow up are not bad waits to make

    but I do trust Del......shit I like Schloss in general even with him at aggy especially since I think he is there for retirement and ice cream, but if Del hired him I would be on board even if it went to shit because it would be fucking with aggy and I figure Dell would have talked to him about how shit is at Texas

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  5. 2 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

    You're trying to compare programs without the resources and prestige that Texas has, especially in modern college athletics and apply them to this hire. It's not a good argument. Because it took X coach at his alma mater 3-4 years to build before NIL/transfer portal is not very relevant to the game now days. 

    again I am not happy that Pierce has not addressed some issues....I get the thought that if he has not done it by now who in the fuck thinks he ever will

    but the fucking guy has been to the CWS 3 times in 7 seasons (no NCAAs in the covid year).......and again I will be the first to say every one of those years felt like "well shit this is Texas, this team finally looked in the fucking mirror and fucking figured that out"......but in general the teams felt over matched and not capable of going all the way

    but what other guy that Texas is looking at has been to the CWS 3 times in 7 seasons and I think with the NIL and "Texas" I would rather take a chance right now on Pierce fucking figuring it out for one more year vs. hiring in guys from other places that are no slouches in baseball and then expecting them to improve over their long past record based on "at Texas"

  6. 8 minutes ago, The Dog said:

    This is a non-issue. Mack was at UNC for a decade before coming here. Augie was at CSF for 15 years and took the Illinois job before going back there and then here.

    Coaches leave their long time jobs all the time for a bigger and better opportunity - and it's a heck of a lot easier to win at Texas than it is at the vast majority of other jobs including most of the ones you listed.

    I am not arguing the issue is "getting them to leave" what I am saying is if you look at a lot of the guys listed it took them a LONG time to get their program where it is today and they are not going to get that length of time at Texas.....and in the current environment I am not sure I fully buy into the "it is easier to win at Texas than those places" especially when Texas gives you 4 or 5 seasons to get your shit together before your ass starts to feel like it is on fire

    I think across all college sports we are seeing coaches hesitant to make a move to a place where "should be easier to win" and your ass will be on fire by year 3 to 5 vs. staying where they are and having a lot longer career......go through the same exercise with Texas Basketball.....same fucking thing....."this guy is a can't miss".....oh wait they just turned Texas down....oh wait this guy did too.....oh fuck this guy sucks balls.....oh fuck this guy is a drunk with a crazy ass bitch GF

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  7. 1 minute ago, Js1 said:

    #3 is dumb.  He was hired 8 years ago.  Why even bring up that he was not hired until optimal circumstances? 

    #4 is highly highly regarded.  

    because people are listing coaches that have been at their alma mater for a decade or more and that have only recently started to do anything of significance as coaches that will come right into Texas and immediately start going to the CWS consistently

    or they are listing coaches that have been at major programs for a decade and have only recently started to go to a super regional and have not been to a CWS or have been one time

    the idea seems to be "well he did that a place that is not Texas so he will have to do better here because, Texas"......and the idea seems to be to ignore that he was given a very long leash where he is now to finally produce......but that same leash will not be given at Texas just like it is not given to Pierce that has out produced most of those guys already while at Texas

  8. 2 hours ago, D3zii said:

    What's your reasoning of wanting to keep Pierce?? just wondering if thats what you want to do??

    I understand the desire to make a change, but here are my reasons why I think it is not a disaster to wait one year

    1. none of the names listed really jump out to me as "he is the guy" even O’Sullivan because he turned down Texas in the past prior to getting a new stajium at Florida.....and Holiday that was mentioned is again an alumni of OkState and has been there a long time.....which gets me to my next point

    2. pretty much all the coaches that do have some proven credentials have been at their programs for a decade or longer....Florida, ECU, OkState, Duke, the Vandy coach (not yet mentioned)

    Vaughn at Alabama has been there one year and was at Maryland for 7 seasons with one the covid season and his record is NCAA Regionals.....he looks like Pierce only he has done that in the ACC and SEC SEC SEC not the Southland and AAC

    Schloss is retired this is his "get the money" year....I like the guy, but he is not going to fit at Texas and I do not think even the magic of Del could get that to work with their prior relationship

    so when you are looking at guys that have been in the ACC, SEC SEC SEC, and other places that play good baseball for a decade or more and they are not really jumping out at you or showing marked better success than Pierce I think it shows maybe Texas needs to take at least another year

    3. Pierce was not hired under optimal circumstances (God Texas fucking says that a lot with the major mens sports)......Augie did not leave a top program in place.....there were the issues with the Augie leaving.....and the same exact shit with the potential hire was going on....money whipping someone......finding a guy that was pissed off because facilities had not improved (Florida)......same shit different year

    4. I am not excited about introducing a new guy while also moving into a new conference.....I think that can make player evaluation more difficult and I think there can be some "logistics" issues like staying at the wrong Holiday Inn on the road or eating at the wrong restaurants or whatever that might need to be figured out.....it is not like SEC SEC SEC schools are located in places where you have a lot of can't miss choices for team accommodations.....I would rather give a new guy the best chance possible especially when so far most of the candidates are reaches, just fucking pay the bitch, put Texas on him and he will do better

     

    my major issues with Pierce are poor regular season play and the fact that there is an improvement for the team getting "up" for the NCAAs, but there is still a feeling of "just over matched and not going all the way"......based on pitching not being deep and a lack of power hitting......but I am not sure that gets corrected easily or quickly with a coaching change.....but he has had time to change it and has not....at this point I would rather see a 32yo guy that can find shit loads of pitching and get an 80yo guy that has seen it all to sit on the bench next to him, stand at third base sometimes,  and keep him from fucking things up and to go yell at the umpires and then find another guy that can teach them to hit the shit out of the ball and that is all he does and game day he mostly eats hotdogs and snow cones

     

  9. Just now, BurntOrange&White said:

    Gotcha, so we just going to make every excuse about any name mentioned so you can say "we should just stick with Pierce"

    well guys that have been at programs for 10+ years and that have done less than Pierce are not super appealing to me especially when you are going to have to buy them in

    guys that have coached at places that have academic (academics still matters to some baseball players because there is a well established minor league system for the "get paid" types) and athletic resources and have not done a great deal are not that impressive to me

    Augie had a pretty slow start from Cliff, but there was some shit there with the firing of Cliff and how that all happened, but the last 5 years of Augie were not exactly lighting it on fire or leaving Texas a solid foundation

    I am not happy with some of the Pierce stuff, but in 7 seasons (covid season is meaningless) he has been to the CWS 3 times and a Super one more......do I think Texas was over matched in those CWS appearances and just got there based on "We Are Texas"......yes I do, but that is a hell of a lot better than some of those replacements have done in 8 seasons or a lot longer where they are......and if the idea is "Slap Texas on them and see how they do" well fuck lets just hire a yellow dog for a coach or Clay Henry the goat and roll the team out there and tell them "We Are Texas go fuck some people up"......or take a risk on some guy that knows shit about really getting pitching going because that seems to be the weakness for Texas lately and a lot of other top programs too

    why hire the old fuck that is holding the young guy back.....hire the young guy that can get them to fucking throw we can always get him some old timer to explain the rest of the game to him and keep him from doing totally dumb shit

  10. 3 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

    Alphabetical by last name would be my short list

     

     

    Erik Bakich - Clemson
    Mitch Canham - Oregon St
    Cliff Godwin - ECU
    Chris Pollard - Duke
    Jim Schlossnagle - Aggie
    Tony Vitello - Tennessee
    Tom Walter - Wake Forest
    Rob Vaughn - Alabama

     

     

     

    Goodwin is an ECU alumni, has been there 10 years, and he was at LSU and Ole Miss in the past so they probably at least sniffed him when they changed coaches.....perhaps they thought he was not proven or he turned them down.....who knows, but he is another "tossing a shit load of cash because" hire and those don't generally work well

    Vaughn is hardly proven unless you think sticking the Texas brand on him means he will make it out of a regional

    Walter has been there 15 years and made it to two supers and advanced from one of those to the CWS.....in 15 seasons.....and that is A LOT of ACC and SEC SEC SEC programs that took a pass on that assuming he was ready to leave

    Schlossnagle is baseball Jimbo without the douche bag persona, but with some "asshole" that will not sit well with Texas fans if he is not producing......he is retired at aggy and happy

    Pollard is 12 seasons at Duke and has never been to a CWS.....I would prefer to take the risk on Pierce that has shown he can make a CWS with the "Texas brand" on him vs. a guy that we would be hoping could do that

    Vitello is going to cost a hell of a lot for still a lot of "can he" and he seems to like being chased and getting the raises....I mean no reason to not make Tennessee pay more like LSU and aggy Jimbo......but not sure I want Texas paying more vs. Tennessee paying more to keep him

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  11. 1 minute ago, Captain Obvious said:

    If Pierce does stick around one more year, Canham could be ready to leave if Oregon State can't pull together a decent schedule as an independent.  

    I would probably rather take that risk right now.......Texas can afford to roll into the SEC SEC SEC with "stability" (even at a level no one is happy with) in baseball of all sports......that is THE sport Texas can wait out a coach for a year or two and quickly recover from that even if it is a disaster to wait and see 

    I think this post season is showing us that the SEC SEC SEC is not just a conference filled with massively dominant baseball powers.....it has some, but some of them have slipped up with their own coaching hires and what the SEC SEC SEC does have is a lot of teams that can get it done (sometimes in a major way) before they drop right back off

    I think I would rather feel that out with a current coach than a new guy that is a long way from home and with a lot to prove especially one that would have to be hired in the "SEC SEC SEC way" IE just throw fuck loads on money at them until they can't say no and then eat that shit if it fails

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  12. Canham is an alumni and not only that from their two NC teams......the only thing I think gives Texas a real edge is that the PAC 12 has fallen apart, but the flip side to that is baseball is still a sport that G5 programs and programs that have little to no football (especially on the west coast) can still do very well in.....Oregon State can probably afford to pay him to stay in that particular sport if they want to and if they do not want to watch a similar situation to Oregon and Softball happen to them with Texas.....plus Texas and Texas into the SEC SEC SEC is a long way from "home" for him 

    I would not be surprised to see Pierce get one more year.....similar to when he was hired there are just no home run hires out there right now

  13. 3 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

    Just wait until all college football players unionize. They’ll get a much bigger piece Of the pie. 

    piece of what though....even if you busted out football on it's own and gave it credit for a lot of revenues from media rights, sponsorships, and all their ticket sales and the donations that go with them most college football teams do not make money they lose money......sure they could look at an total athletics department that is subsidized to the tune of $5 to $40 million per year and knock that down to a football program that is subsidized to the tune of $1 to $5 million per year, but there is still no profit to share when you lose money

    and that would probably be without giving full cost % of the overall athletics administration to football that it takes to run football or looking at the cost of administrative building space and the like.....I would imagine that Texas is one of the few places that (I am 99% sure) does things like charges athletics massively high cost for parking, changing light bulbs, touching up paint, fixing a door hinge, or whatever else is done to Bellmont as far as maintenance and upkeep vs, what an academic department would pay for the same services

    and I am very certain that once any union or payment directly from a university comes into play that regular students and state officials (for public schools) will want to start charging for tuition and a lot of fans will not be renewing season tickets or paying massive seat donations for those tickets.....and there will probably be an attempt to remove those donations as a deduction by the feds

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  14. 7 hours ago, Horn of Gabriel said:

    Staples said on the Feldman pod that it was likely to be structured as a sort of loan.  You get $xxMM now and the PE firm wants 20% of your growth over $x/year going forward for a period of time. Kinda like a tax or Income Sharing Agreement (ISA).  That gives a way to ADs to sell it to their president as "free" money with downside protection (if you don't grow you don't pay), and the PE firm is betting that the growth in college football is going to continue and they get a cut of it.

    what I saw talked about is a couple of fuck heads that have some interest in a couple of Euro kickball teams want to take over the licensing and branding of 20 to 30 top schools and take a % and make some (I am sure very vague) promises about the growth of the brands because of their "expertise"

    it will be a total shit show though and it makes no sense to me (although no one would claim I am some business genius), but then again you look at how most athletics departments and conferences are run and a fucking moron could do better 

    I fail to see how UA, Adidas, nike, or any of the other fucks that do branding are going to go along with another middleman to deal with and WTF do companies like LearfieldIMG.......well I mean really they do pretty shitty is what they do and take a cut for it, but sadly most athletics departments are full of such ride the pine fucks that even with $100 million dollar budgets and a shit tonne of alumni that would do things for free they still need a 3rd party company to come in and take a slice of their marketing deals

    the best I can tell some dumb fucks have decides that fans of LaTech, Arkansas stAte, UTEP, UTSA, UAB, USA, F_U, all of the MWC, the AAC and tons of others are just chomping at the bit to cheer for Texas, Alabama, Miami, FSU, Clemson, tOSU, Oregon, USC, and some others in a super league......which of course they won't be

    these same fucking idiots think they can convince ESPN and maybe Fox to dump most of the NCAA teams and give all the money to their collection of teams and that will be where the "growth" comes in......which will be a perfect match for the further decline of cable/SAT TV subscribers and now the already happening decline of streaming services and "bundles" on streaming

     

    also I have said this many times before and will say it until proven wrong.....there is not going to be any type of "special athlete employee" category for sports ballers at universities.....once they are paid directly by the university they will be 100% beholden to the same standards of conduct and behavior as any other university employee and the university will be 100% liable for their behaviors and conduct just like they are for any other employee.....so some sports baller that decides he wants to gran his crotch and do that sucking sound thing between his teeth while he talks to random shawty about her ass while on campus, in class, or in the dorms will have to be fucking fired just like if a janitor or a grounds keeper channeled their inner freak nasty and did the same thing

    if they are not fired you can look for a nice lawsuit from shawty and from all of the other employees that have been fired in the past for any type of inappropriate conduct......universities will be getting fucked left and right and it will probably break a few of them 

    and before you bring up some well known incidents again there is a difference (right or wrong) now with the whole "have to give the student athlete a chance" process that helps sweep this shit under the rug and the other major difference is currently the other universities and past employees that might have been fired for misconduct are not involved.....because they are employees and currently athletes are not....so they are not subjected to the same HR rules

    college sports is heading for a disaster as it is and any "private equity" or "private capital" getting involved will just drive this shit off of a cliff into a volcano

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    well I am not very god at this and used a crappy free generator, but one is the Texas A&M Aggie Men's Butt Chugging Team and the other is the Texas A&M Men's Gay Quidditch Team

    I will let everyone decide which is which...

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