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Posts posted by Dirk X West
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1 minute ago, Doyle Hargreaves said:
I could see the other 3 conferences blowing up and forming a super league.Â
Âsome more pain is coming.Â
Yeah, I've said before, but once again, it seems to me that the trajectory of college football realignment is not going to be about moving chairs around but rather about reducing the number of chairs at the table.  The leftover 8 aren't the last schools who are going to get cut out of the top tier.
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1 hour ago, HookEm said:
Lol. It doesn't matter that K-State got $40M a year from being in the Big-12 vs. $7M for Houston? Â
All that money goes to coaches, facility upgrades, marketing, recruiting.... but apparently it doesn't generate wins. Give Houston $40M a year and Big-12 association and you would see a different product on the field.
Are you operating under the assumption that every team within each league has identical athletics budgets? Â
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7 minutes ago, HookEm said:
Lol. It doesn't matter that K-State got $40M a year from being in the Big-12 vs. $7M for Houston? Â
All that money goes to coaches, facility upgrades, marketing, recruiting.... but apparently it doesn't generate wins. Give Houston $40M a year and Big-12 association and you would see a different product on the field.
Sure. Â
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1 minute ago, HookEm said:
That K-State site is sad. Let's compare K-State to Houston...
In football:
- K-State:Â 45.1% overall wins, 9-13 bowl record, 12 All-Americans, 6 Conference Titles, 13 top-25 finishes, 5 top-10 finishesÂ
- Houston: 54.1% overall wins, 11-16 bowl record, 8 All-Americans, 11 Conference Titles, 18 top-25 finishes, 6 top-10 finishesÂ
In basketball:Â
- K-State:Â Â 59.1% overall wins, 4 Final 4s, 31 NCAA Tourneys, 19 Conference Titles, 21 Top-25 finishes, 8 NBA 1st rounders
- Houston:Â 60.6% overall wins, 6 Final 4s, 22 NCAA Tourneys, 9 Conference Titles, 12 Top-25 finishes, 11 NBA 1st rounders
In academics:
- K-State:Â #170 US-News
- Houston:Â #176 US-News
The two schools have basically equivalent accomplishments, but Houston has done it in about half the time. Houston, Fresno State, Colorado State, etc., should be considered K-State's peer group. That isn't going to be enough to get a seat in one of the premier conferences.Â
It doesn't matter that K-State has played much tougher competition than UH for the last 25 years or so?
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2 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:
Articles like that are exactly why this is happening. Engel and others like him helped create this eventuality but they'll never realize that. They created, fostered, and amplified the environment where Tech and the other second tier schools never bothered to improve themselves and lift themselves into the first tier because it was UT's job to protect them. Meanwhile they constantly complained about UT and ripped the school and athletic department in the press at every opportunity. Which, of course, damaged UT's reputation (albeit slightly) at every step which meant that UT was weaker than it otherwise would have been and less able to protect Tech and the others.
He is the exact kind of idiot who has been slowly killing Tech without knowing it.
Can you cite examples of the TTU athletic dept. "ripping UT in the press", prior to the news about the SEC move?
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7 minutes ago, Moby Ric said:
So if I am reading this right, which is doubtful. Â The Big 12 is dead come Tuesday, There is no real reason for the PAC to expand since the legit schools don't want a paycut and will bolt. Â The Big 10 is waiting with open arms for them where they can bank more. Â So therefore the Big 12 is dead, and the PAC 12 is on life support. Â Big 10 ok, SEC ok, ACC not really involved, but is fine. Â So anyone not in those 3 conferences is fucked, and college football is basically over as we know it and it is now the have's and the have nots.
For now. I think more schools are going to eventually get selected out by ESPN and Fox., including the ACC football lightweights.
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22 minutes ago, conVINCEd said:
Also, they’re fucking weird.  Comparing TCU to BYU as religious schools is laughable.  If TCU had maintained their pace in football I would bet the PAC could get over the C in their name.
Yep. 6 wins a year would fit right in in the Pac.
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Yeah, ithe equation is: France is pretty good and they sent their best possible team (or close) and we didn't send our best possible team.Â
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10 minutes ago, LTtxfan said:
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Good points...  So, based on your comments, two Super Conferences is probably gonna happen. What is the optimal number in each ??
Some teams that probably get poached...
- Notre Dame
- Clemson
- USC
- Oregon
- Florida State
- Miami
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I'm not personally very interested debating these possibilities, but I think this question is much more relevant in terms of what might actually happen than "how do we get all current P5 teams into four leagues?".Â
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1 minute ago, LTtxfan said:
Yeah, if the PAC-12 and ACC want to remain relevant, they better quickly get some type of agreement with the BIG 10 for a plan of 4 conferences with 16 members each.
Otherwise, all that may be left standing when the music stops are two major confernces:Â
- SECÂ
- BIG 10
Yeah, I don't see how adding just anybody necessarily moves the needle much for the Pac especially. I mean, didn't the Big 12 look at expanding and not do it because the TV people said it wouldn't make the league more valuable? I don't see how that logic doesn't still apply. Â
Again, the movement here is for leagues to collect as many big commodities as possible, and there's a finite amount of big commodities. Â
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10 minutes ago, LTtxfan said:
Super Powers: What Four 16-Team Conferences Could Look Like
Could OU-Texit™ start be the first domino to the Era of Super Conferences?
Published  16 hours ago  July 23   By: Kyle CoxÂ
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  ACC              B10            PAC               SEC
 Big SixTeen Pac-16 SEC Boston College Illinois Arizona Alabama Clemson Indiana Arizona State Arkansas Duke Iowa Boise State Auburn Florida State Kansas California Florida Georgia Tech Kansas State Colorado Georgia Louisville Maryland Iowa State Kentucky Miami Michigan Oklahoma State LSU North Carolina Michigan State Oregon Mississippi North Carolina State Minnesota Oregon State Mississippi State Notre Dame Nebraska Southern California Missouri Pittsburgh Northwestern Stanford Oklahoma Syracuse Ohio State Texas Tech South Carolina Virginia Penn State UCLA Tennessee Virginia Tech Purdue Utah Texas Wake Forest Rutgers Washington Texas A&M West Virginia Wisconsin Washington State Vanderbilt Â
https://pistolsfiringblog.com/super-powers-what-four-16-team-conferences-could-look-like/
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What people like this blog writer seem to be misunderstanding is the impetus from TV money is not to just narrow it down to four leagues with an equal number of teams. That may be part of it, but to me, this moment is more about the start of cutting down the total number of power conference teams. I understand that fans of the usual G5 power teams (BYU, Boise, UCF, whoever) are seeing this as opportunity for them. It is, inasmuch as they might ultimately hook up with some better football schools who have been relegated from a P5 to form a much stronger best mid major league than currently exists. The idea, though, that one of that current G5 teams is going to get a seat at the table now, or in the next 5 years, seems very unlikely to me, and even if one someone does, that'll be because yet another current P5 team got culled. Â
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1 minute ago, LTtxfan said:
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Fuck those guys.
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16 minutes ago, South Austin said:
My mom has the lege covered.
Those labia have some serious reach.
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1 minute ago, TrashMaster G said:
Were these mental giants this concerned a decade ago when aggy did the exact same thing?
Hoping the Big 12 wouldn't fall apart just like they are now.
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1 minute ago, ChiTownDoc said:
I don't live there but I obviously know a ton of OU alums there. I have WAY more UT family then I do OU family, and none of them live in Dallas. And maybe it's because of the recent success and UT wandering the woods a bit, but it does seem like Dallas is becoming more and more OU each year I go back. I think Dallas kind of sucks (hmmm) but that's my two cents...
I've have a friend/acquaintance that has lived in Plano for 25+ years, and he maintains that the number of UT and OU flags he sees around where lives fluctuates like the stock market, as each team succeeds more or less relative to the other. Â
DFW is after all the sports bandwagon metro area par excellence.Â- 3
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1 minute ago, TotallyLegit said:
I guess we could schedule Mary Hardin-Baylor and call them the "real Baylor" or something, but that feels a little aggyish
They could be "The University of Baylor" while Baylor is just "Baylor-Waco".
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2 minutes ago, LTtxfan said:
TCU... Maybe AAC Bound ??? Â
Realignment rumors should concern TCU fans
With Texas and OU apparently in talks with the SEC, teams like TCU, Baylor, and Oklahoma State have reasons to worry.
By Melissa B. Triebwasser@TheCoachMelissa  Jul 22, 2021
Jealousy is a spiteful b*tch, isn’t it?
Jealousy drove Texas A&M to the SEC, where they’ve finished above .500 in conference play just three times, but have raked in the cash and the five star recruits. Just ask Ross Bjork, who said “There’s a reason Texas A&M left the Big 12 — to stand alone & have our own identity. That’s our feeling.”
Now, it appears that jealousy might be driving the Longhorns to follow their most bitter rival, as rumors began swirling (again) Wednesday that both Texas and Oklahoma are having hot and heavy conversations with the Southeastern Conference ahead of expected realignment when TV contracts come do in 2025.
It’s an interesting decision for one of the country’s wealthiest universities; with seemingly an endless supply of cash. Money doesn’t feel like the main motivating factor for the Horns, and with just one double digit win season in their last 11 tries, it can’t be because they want a raised competition level. It likely comes down to recruiting; when it comes to the battles between the Longhorns and Aggies, dangling that SEC carrot has helped A&M land the better recruiting class in each of the last two years as Jimbo Fisher has begun to pick up steam in the Lone Star State.
Chris Del Conte got TCU to the Big 12. Now CDC might be slamming the door on their future. Oh, the irony.
For Oklahoma, the SEC has always been the golden ticket. Under Lincoln Riley, the Sooners are in or at least in the conversation for the College Football Playoffs annually, and though they haven’t broken through for a win, they have no reason to be scared. They probably look around the state of the SEC as currently constructed and feel like there are really only 2-4 teams annually that they would really have to gear up for, which isn’t much different than what they’re facing in the Big 12.
As far as the SEC side? They definitely are willing to listen.
But, we will let the Longhorns and the Sooners worry about what they are going to do if/when they get there, the real question is what does this mean for the rest of us?
The first question is, can the Big 12 be saved?
Should the remaining eight programs band together and try and reconstruct the conference, their first calls would likely be to SMU, Houston, and some combination of Memphis/Cincinnati/UCF/USF. The Mustangs couldn’t be thirstier for a Power Five invite (don’t let their fanbase tell you otherwise), but there might be some hurt feelings amongst the rest, who have tried, and failed, to secure an invite to the Big 12 multiple times over the last several years. Ultimately, if the conference can go to ESPN/FOX/Bally whatever/whoever else and sell them on a deal that pays each member school upwards of the $20 million annually they’re getting, well, that’s a lot more than the $7 million AAC teams currently receive. Maybe the TV deal won’t be quite as fruitful without the carrots of Texas and OU, but it’s still going to be eight figures, and more than the AAC. And if you count in the markets that Houston, SMU, and Memphis bring? It’s attractive-ish.
They’ll take the money if it’s offered, period.
But what if the Big 12 can’t be saved?
Just a few years ago, TCU was in a great position, a university with several sports that would be attractive to other power conferences. But with a football program that’s slogged to barely .500 records the last three years and a basketball team that had more transfers this past season than they have postseason wins in the last ten, it’s hard feel super confident that someone like the Pac 12 or Big Ten is going to leap in and save the day. TCU fits in the PAC 12 in some regards — hell, half their freshmen classes seem to come from CA at this point. Geographically it’s not a terrible fit, and it would be easy to develop some natural rivalries in short order. I could see a scenario where the Horned Frogs and Baylor go west as a package deal, forming a division that features the two Arizona schools, Colorado, USC, and UCLA. That’s fun. Or maybe the conference decides to bring in the Texas version of ASU in Tech and Oklahoma State because they feel sorry for them, and become a 16 team super-ish conference that would be well positioned both fiscally and geographically.
Or maybe they tell us to eff off and let the Big 12 die on the vine so that they’re no longer the misfit of the Power Five.
Iowa State fans seem pretty confident that the Big Ten will save them — the Cyclones and Kansas boast AAU designations academically that will qualify them to land North. We don’t know, but ISU to the B10 makes sense on paper. West Virginia should have been an ACC school from the start, and could easily land there if they decide to expand. But for the schools in the middle — especially the small private universities — the fear is real.
If, as it’s rumored to be, both Texas and Oklahoma inform Bob Bowlsby next week that they have no intention of resigning with the league, we will spend the next two years — or more — in a space of suspended animation, wondering what our future as Frog fans will look like.
After so many decades in the desert and just a few short years enjoying the promised land, the thought of being nomads again is anxiety-inducing to say the least.
And to add insult to injury? Don’t forget that Gary Patterson’s current contract is set to expire after the 2024 season, something sure to factor in when the interview process for realignment begins.
It’s going to be a long four years friends. Buckle up.
(and let’s take it out on Texas, again, come football season)
A lot of baseless nonsense in this, even more than most blog posts like this.
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8 minutes ago, Eggo said:
Gentlemen's agreements tend to break down when hundreds of millions of dollars are in play.
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13 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:
Oral Roberts transfer Kevin Obanor headed to Texas Tech | Zagsblog
This is a big pickup
Has he actually announced this yet?
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14 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:
In terms of violence and stupidity, the English hooligan is a special lot.
However, had the "racial" tables been turned, the outcome would have been similar I think. Except maybe France, they seem to have a peculiarly good relationship with Algerians and other former colonials.
You should probably check out the "Les Bleus" documentary to get better idea of the *extremely* conflicted relationship the French public has had in recent decades with their national soccer team being dominated by first and second generation African emigrants.
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Lletget's not nearly as good as that pre-game feature led me to believe he would be.
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7 hours ago, Cheeseweasel said:
Because I'd be on the shitter. Or watching cricket.
Going to the toilet in South Asia doesn't usually involve sitting.
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Left Behind: A Quick Dose Of Post Big 12 Reality
in Football
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It would nice if there was some rational re-examination of all the teams who could possibly play in a re-organized top tier of CFB, with clear, objective reasons given for who belongs and who doesn't (and even maybe some mechanism for promotion to give the teams who get left out some hope of being included in the future), but this shit is far too unorganized for that to happen - and there are too many schools that benefit from the current set up to allow for it.