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  1. Yeah I watched this show in real time when it was airing back in the day. The first 2-3 seasons were a lot of fun but it did get a bit repetitive and the athlete cameos got to be a little bit over-the-top by the end.

    And yeah if anything the lasting legacy of this show is "Eskimo Brothers" lol.

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  2. 18 hours ago, Al_4_ISU said:

    I bet the average actual attendance of a Cal, Stanford, and SMU game combined might hit 25K

    Years and years ago we played SMU in Dallas and the stadium was probably 1/2 to 3/4 orange. And this was in the Les Miles era before OSU football really got going.

    I know it would basically be the same for any of the Texas P5 schools (or OU) if they played there too, but it was really something to see. It was like we were playing a home game against SMU on their own field.

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    7 minutes ago, CustersDoctor said:

    I will be watching UH's attendance numbers this fall. Obviously they'll have the sellout on Oct 21st. OkieLite & TCU will bring a lot of fans. But what kind of crowd will they have for Cincy, UCF & WVU. If UH isn't playing somebody who will bring a lot of fans, will they have more that 30,000 fans at a game?

    I suspect it will build over a period of years like TCU did.

    If I recall, TCU had some pretty sparse crowds their first few years in non-marquee games, but that has improved over the years because getting the promotion to P5 (and winning) will naturally increase interest and build the fan base, IMO.

    So of course, they'll also need to perform for that to happen. So getting some early success will be crucial for them. We'll see how it goes...

  4. 45 minutes ago, CustersDoctor said:

    The most important thing to B.Y. was to have 14 teams by the fall of 2024. He worked very hard with the Linear providers for the conference to have slots for 14 teams in the fall of 2023. The Big12 will certainly lose some of those slots for the fall of 2024 since they are losing OUT, but they certainly couldn't retain those slots without the teams to fill them. So the Big12 had to add two to get back to 14. Adding two more, above that, to get to 16 was OK with Fox & ESPN. Plus it is now clear that the Big12 is the #3 football conference and pretty much the #1 basketball conference. It's really hard to argue that the Big12 hasn't navigated the last year and a half to near perfection.

    Except for adding Houston.

    Spot on.

    I'm not super thrilled about Houston but I get it. The Big 12 lost the flagship school of Texas. 

    And given that Texas remains the most important state in the Big 12 footprint, it made some sense to add another Texas school just to reinforce the conference's presence there and Houston makes the most sense in that regard.  Adding SMU was pointless since we already have a small private school in the DFW metro, so adding a large school in the state's largest city (yes I know UH doesn't "own" Houston, but they are still at least physically there) was really the best option.

     

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  5. 12 hours ago, Nueces River Rat said:

    Let’s not forget the chit that went on against Okie State last year.  They ended the game with zero penalties while we had 14 for 119 yards.  How does a team that throws for 400 yards not get called for a hold or two?   That’s some strange chit.    

    I'm not going to re-litigate that whole thing because it was well-covered last year.

    We *were* flagged twice for holding in that game - one was declined because it was on 3rd down and the other was offset by a roughing the passer call on Texas.

    Almost all of the flags on Texas were procedure penalties. What are the refs supposed to do? Not throw flags when you jump offsides?

     

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  6. 13 hours ago, Zeus said:

    Nah, I’ve watched sec games all my life. You don’t even notice the officials in that conference. 

    In the big 12 they insert themselves into almost every game. Fucked up calls, reviewing shit constantly, having conferences to talk about the call or non call every 10 plays. It’s tough to watch even when they aren’t obviously rigging the game. 
     

    Then there’s the chickenshit targeting and roughing calls constantly. It’s an entirely different style of play, it sucks to watch. 

    Uh huh. I'm sure that's it. 

    The issue is definitely *not* that you pay extreme close attention and notice every bad call that goes against your team but don't notice it when it happens to other teams because you aren't emotionally invested in those teams. Nope. No confirmation bias here at all.

    Like I said, I can't wait for the "Fuck SEC Refs" thread. 

     

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  7. 3 hours ago, Zeus said:

    The B12 is a joke league and they rig the games to be close at the end to increase drama. Defense isn't allowed so it will be a high flying and high scoring close game like basketball where it comes down to the last possession. 

    LOL 

    There will be a "Fuck the SEC refs" thread on this Board before your first season in the SEC is done.... probably before the end of September.

  8. 8 minutes ago, hawkfan said:

    Call them whatever you want, it protects all the majorly important rivalries, makes geographic sense (grouping wise), and is mostly competitively balanced with the exception of one division.

    Hey if we want to protect important rivalries and group teams that make sense geographically I have a wild idea that you wouldn't believe... we could take maybe the top 60 college football programs and group them into five conferences of 12 teams each - a "power 5" if you will....  one conference could include teams along the Atlantic coast... one in the Southeastern U.S.... one in the central plains and Texas... one in the upper Midwest... and one on the Pacific coast... 

     

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  9. 19 minutes ago, mdmost said:

    Was out of town when all the craziness went down on Friday. I'm happy for Oregon and Washington as their patience paid off. I'm happy that Arizona State, Utah, and Arizona got what they wanted and should've had a long time ago. It definitely makes the Big 12 a fun, no defense league (outside of Utah). Stanford and Cal get their wish to be sports-irrelevant. College football relegation finally occurred with the rest of the Pac 4. I guess Stanford might be thrown a bone if it can bring in Notre Dame but I think it's going to take the Big 10 forcing USC, Michigan State, and Michigan to no longer schedule Notre Dame to force their hand. That would mean moving to a 10 game conference schedule. I'm going to chuckle that we're going right back to having divisions in the Big 10 and Big 12 when everyone was thrilled that those had gone away. I hope the SEC holds firm and doesn't add anymore for now. I hope ESPN holds the ACC line on the GOR so FSU can't get out of it. You made the deal so live with it. 

    Agree with all of this except the relegation part.

    What's happening in CFB isn't relegation, because relegation is based on on-field performance. If you don't perform, you get booted.

    In no way, shape or form do Washington State or Oregon State deserve to get "relegated" in a world where fucking Rutgers, Maryland, Indiana, Vanderbilt, etc., get to enjoy the spoils of being in one of the Prestige Worldwide conferences. 

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  10. 17 hours ago, Had Enough said:

    If you want more eyes on your games, conference games starting the season is a good thought.

    It doesn’t create more losses. Pretty even playing field.

    Big 12 ought to do it.

    Yeah I mean SECSECSEC has been doing this now for, what, 20+ years?

    It's one of the key factors that led to the perception of it being the greatest conference in the land.

    I mean, when preseason unranked Mississippi State beats preseason #8 Tennessee -- WOW! Look how good SEC is! An unranked team beat the #8 team in the country! Now in week 2 Mississippi State comes in at #12 or so but then after a few weeks of awful non-conference teams they are ranked #8 but they lose to unranked Arkansas and WOW! Yet again it's proven how tough SECSECSEC is because these unranked SEC teams are beating top 10 SEC teams!!  So basically every talking head can blather on for the first two months of the season how great SECSECSEC it.

    Fast-forward 10 weeks and both Mississippi State and Tennessee are 5-7 and unranked but who cares?

    We'll do it all over again next year and it will become a self-fulfilling prophesy because all of the talking heads will just talk over and over and over again how great SEC is so now that's where all of the elite prospects want to go. Huzzah!

    (Yes I'm fully aware that SEC has become objectively the best conference overall, but for many many years it wasn't - but there was the often-repeated perception that was absolutely bolstered and reinforced by them playing conference games in September that reinforced narratives even though those narratives ended up being B.S. a lot of the time.)

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  11. 9 minutes ago, Samson's Wig said:

    For both Fox and ESPN, It is cheaper, and ultimately better for downstream revenue, for Oregon and Washington to join the Big12.  They get them for less that way, and help bolster that conference into something they can package and sell for years to come.  The writing is on the wall, in my opinion.  PNW is not going B1G, and the PAC is already collapsed.  They have one landing spot.

    I'm thinking this is correct.

    If I'm ESPN/FOX and I want Oregon/Washington inventory, it seems like my options are:

    • Pay ~$30mm/year for them in the Big 12
    • Pay ~$50mm/year for them in the B1G

    In the Big 12 they most certainly enhance the value of the conference as a whole, making the Big 12 a clear/iron-clad #3 conference and I own all of that inventory, in addition to the "Big 2."

    Meanwhile, I can poach two much more valuable programs (FSU/Clemson) from the ACC and further enhance my "Big 2" investments.

    The more I think about it, the more this makes the most sense.  

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  12. 19 hours ago, Paul Wesley said:

    Great post.

    2). Totally agree on 2011 Oklahoma State.  They got screwed out of the championship game they deserved.  And the argument that was used to deny them their chance ("got to win your own league") was completely abandoned in order to hand Alabama a mulligan and a crystal ball a year or so later.  

    We did win the Big 12 that year.  That's what was so goddamn infuriating about putting Bama in the title game. They didn't even win their goddamn *division* and we won the Big 12 with our last game being a 44-10 beatdown of #10 Oklahoma.

    The argument that was used against us was "you had a worse loss" than Bama (double OT loss at Iowa State vs. loss to #1 LSU) even though we had like 5 better *wins* than they had. Of course that argument went away like the next year for Ohio State or Bama or some other blue blood that I can't remember.

    All of a sudden it was about "more/better wins" instead of a "worse loss."

    That was likely OSU's best chance to actually win a college football title in my lifetime and so of course we get fucked over.

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    1 hour ago, Ghost of LL said:

    Aggy could actually get into the conference championship game in the Big XII (and did).  But they're not sniffing that in the SEC.

    Aggy was the Big XII equivalent to Auburn in the SEC.  They're decidedly below the top two in their division.  But in the right set of circumstances, they'll make a run and get into the conference championship game.

    And that is a lot better than being Aggy in the SEC today.

     

     

    I think calling Aggy the "Auburn of the Big 12" is a pretty generous reading of where they were when the left.

    Aggy hadn't sniffed the Big 12 title game in more than a decade by the time they left the conference.  They made the Big 12 title game in 1997 and 1998 before Stoops took over at OU and before Leach got TTU going and Miles/Gundy got OSU going.  Once those three things happened, they never sniffed it again.

    Their last 5 years in the Big 12 their records were:

    7-6, 9-4, 6-7, 4-8, 7-6

    They had once decent year along with two seasons with losing records and two 7-6s. They were clearly behind OU, Texas and OSU/Tech in the Big 12 South pecking order.

    If we play out what happened over the next decade, it's pretty clear they would have remained the 3rd or 4th best program in the Big 12 South with OU/OSU clearly ahead of them and while Tech and Texas faded somewhat from where they were, we had Baylor ascending under Briles so there were still going to be a ton of road blocks from A&M ever sniffing a Big 12 title game in those years as well.

     

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  14. 6 hours ago, DickSolomon said:

    I like how in 2024 the Big 12 will have 13 teams and 28 years of history, yet only 3 big 12 champion game winners among their entire group of members, with Kstate being the winningest conference game champion at 2 wins. literally a conference of losers. More than 2/3 of the conference's title game winners reside in other conferences now, lol.

    Yeah like we all remember how the two schools that are leaving the conference have co-dominated this "conference of losers" over the past two decades... 

    Oh wait... I just checked my notes and that doesn't seem correct at all.

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  15. 19 hours ago, statsman said:

    And now, your stadium is the worst in the B12, with dangerously small sidelines, endangering players on and off the field. 
     
    I don’t intend to be insulting, but just stating a fact. 

    Yes the sidelines are so dangerous that zeros of players have actually been injured because of the sidelines in the past 80 years.

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  16. 17 hours ago, mininghorn88 said:

    I recall leaving the theater after the end of SPR.  It was so quiet.  No one was saying a word.  Not out of displeasure of the movie but of the emotional toll it took on people, particularly the opening sequence.  I have watched it several times and will stop to watch it whenever it is on.  An all-time favorite of mine.

    100% this.

    I remember thinking it felt like when people leave a funeral.  Nobody said a word and just somberly walked out of the theater.

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  17. 2 hours ago, statsman said:

    Perspective- Here is what I’m hearing on this thread:

    ”We’re going to take the weakest six programs from the 1991 SWC, and drop Rice and SMU. We’ll add the four weakest programs from the Big 8. Then, we’ll add WVU from the Big East, Cincy, UCF and BYU from wherever they’re from and we’ll mix it all together and be the third best conference, baby!”

    Does that make sense to anyone? (I’ll concede that OSU was screwed out of the BCS CG in 2010, fwiw). 

    It definitely doesn't make sense if your perspective on those programs is stuck in 1996.

    Thankfully the people who make the decisions about where to invest their media money don't have a perspective stuck in 1996 and it makes sense to them so that's all that really matters.

     

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  18. 15 minutes ago, 'stache said:

    Because our on-field success and TV ratings (even excluding UT/OU games) are in the upper echelon of the post OU/UT Big XII? You also realize that the games are broadcast in more places than Stillwater, right? No movement has happened because the PAC programs don't know what they might make. You can't compare USC/UCLA moving to the BIG because it was known with absolute certainty that they'd make more money there than any PAC possibilities. The longer this drags out, it increases their frustration within the PAC 10 that they can't make any decisions until Klavikoff gets off his ass and actually produced a real offer. Until then, no decision maker in their right mind would make a move without complete information. I get it, "OKST and everyone else are worthless." The media companies disagree, but the faction of surly-ites who insist that nobody else matters are gonna surly, which is fine, it's your board, just a bizarre theme to get hung up on in an otherwise interesting conversation.

    Yeah with everything that has been discussed and all of the data thrown into this thread over the past years I can't believe comments like this are still being made.

    The data has conclusively shown that OSU has been consistently the #3 TV draw in the Big 12 after OU/Texas. It's not fucking complicated.  The idea that we wouldn't be included in any kind of PAC/legacy Big 12 merger is absurd.

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