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Posts posted by TwiceHorn
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1 minute ago, Bozo_Casanova said:
Here’s what I hate about this: there is a core truth to what she’s saying. There are a lot of able-bodied Americans on Medicaid, but the vast majority, about 2/3 are working, often for very large employers whose labor costs are subsidized by the taxpayer. That is a problem.
My opinion is and has been for a long time that we should tax companies that employ more than 25 people dollar for dollar on the public assistance provided to their employees.But even if we did, WE WOULD STILL NEED IMMIGRANT LABOR
There is often the tiniest nugget or kernel of truth buried somewhere in most MAGAisms.
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1 hour ago, Aqua Buddha said:
I don't go to MAGA twitter because I don't want computer AIDS but how are they separating Trump from Bondi?
The AG doesn't represent the President, duh.
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33 minutes ago, Ted Lange said:
Not that they weren’t anyway, but still
I am a staunch defender of the church exemption, for churches that stay out of politics.
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4 hours ago, Hank Kingsley said:
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The most transparent administration for shit that happened during other administrations. Let's see how transparent they are about their own shit. Early indications are poor.
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2 minutes ago, Texas Fight said:
Took them about 10 years, but looks like the settled as a group (deceased and injured) for $2.1mm total to share. After attorney fees/contingency, not a lot.
That was just the University. They sued a shit ton of people, including fellow students, crane and equipment rental companies. It probably wasn't a ton of money, overall, but anyone that had any kind of responsibility paid one way or another.
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1 minute ago, immamac said:
As a practical matter it's over. They died trying to save the girls.
If you wanna be all big bad internet tough guys and say they are gonna sue them millions of times over its just a waste of time and money, but sure they can and who gives a fuck. There's no accountability to be had beyond what's already happened.
The people responsible for the fuckup are dead, just like the children and just like the 70+ other people.
Also, regarding Mystic, just Dick Eastland died. I believe his wife survives and various of their children and other family members have varying degrees of responsibility at the camp.
And, as noted, there is a network of corporate entities involved and the land. The land. Lee Bass was offering $5-10k/acre 15 years ago.
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5 minutes ago, chainsaw said:
Probably won't stop the lawsuits.
4 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:The estate is not.
Yeah, according to the TM article on the 2011 lawsuit, the land is owned by one corporation and the camp operated by another that rents from the landowner corporation.
That probably got even a bit more complex subsequent to that lawsuit, but there are some fairly wealthy entities that are going to be on the wrong end of this. At minimum, that land is hugely valuable.
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2 minutes ago, Willfully Horn said:
Disagree. When your business is hosting other people’s children, and you are housing them on the banks of a Texas river in flash flood alley, you don’t get to play the “no one could see it coming” card. It is a Texas river. In flash flood alley. It was only a matter of time before it happened. And it is only a matter of time before it happens again. That’s a fact.
In establishing legal negligence, past experiences with floods will be highly relevant. But, you're right that a jury could well bang the camps pretty hard on just an in loco parentis notion.
HOWEVER, the camp owners are well-known and fairly beloved in Kerr County. In the 2011 lawsuit between the local family and some "auslanders" in the family that live in Houston now, the jury decided in favor of the locals the first time around and legally screwed the pooch bad enough that a new trial was granted.
It's going to be interesting and will go on for a good while.
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1 minute ago, Texas Fight said:
I believe each of the Uvalde families took $2,000,000 each. You thinking of something like that?
https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/23/us/uvalde-school-shooting-settlement
Not each, total. ~$100k/kid. The ability to recover from the county and municipalities is going to be legally limited, but you can bet they're going to sue everyone in site and probably on some novel theories that will generate cost-of-defense settlements.
So, it's probably not what they'd get from deep-pockets private defendants, but I imagine its going to be healthier than $100k/kid.
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1 minute ago, Goredho said:
Well, obviously not everyone at Mystic has Hunt money, but there is a dead Hunt kid at Mystic and if that family wants real answers, they will get them. Knowing some of them personally, I think they will.
They'll hire good attorneys and not just on a contingent fee. There will be political pressure to change things. These will be things that not every group of random victims can do.
The aggy bonfire victims are probably a pretty good analogy. Not necessarily of the wealth or connectedness of these folks (a couple were though), and they beat the bushes pretty hard for money and accountability.
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3 minutes ago, Goredho said:
A 9 year old from the Hunt family died in this. It isn't going to just be swept under the rug.
Yeah I figured that might be a Hunt Hunt but wasn't sure. The new sure didn't connect those dots, at least that I saw.
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11 minutes ago, Goredho said:
Those camps are definitely like the greek system tailored to kids. They do a great job of providing coming-of-age experiences and connectivity for the next generation of Texas bankers, businessmen, socialites, politicians, etc... And the families of means looking to move into those circles. You can view that as cynically as you want, but the last names of campers there read like a list of surnames of those with power and influence inside the state of Texas. Cost insures its exclusivity. This is one reason I don't think this will all be hand waved away like Uvalde. When people with last names like Hunt or Kroenke or Kerr have questions, they will get answers.
I come from some privilege and went to La Junta for 4 summers in the late 70s/early 80s, and it was an absolute blast. For me personally, it was a great growth opportunity and I got a shit ton of confidence out of the experiences. I never parleyed it into any sort of adult status, I spent most of my 20s ripping the silver spoon from my mouth, but for those lucky/connected enough to go, they are better for the experiences they had at these camps.
Yeah, I went to Longhorn. Two other kids from HP in my cabin, two from Midland Lee, a St. Marks guy, and I was probably unaware enough of Houston to evaluate those guys. Ran into a couple of em at UT.
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23 minutes ago, wood said:
No phones needed. No registration. Just a direct, audible warning to everyone along the river. Add flashing lights for the deaf. Sometimes the old ways are the best ways.
Question on this. I get severe weather alerts on my phone. Is that tied to my e911 registration or whatever? Or just location data? I have kind of assumed the latter and as long as my phone knows where it is, I am getting the relevant alerts.
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9 minutes ago, texasdago said:
Only thing I could find from 2016 and 2022 alumni events. I'm not digging deeper since it won't matter. I don't know if its necessarily a white or black or brown issue. Its definitely a camp for those with money and connection and it does sound like the Greek system to me (yes, I was in the Greek system so not hating per se). I probably know people in that picture. I'm not looking. That said, the idea of sending my kid to a camp for 30 days sounds absolutely bonkers. That sounds more like "give me 30 days of freedom" versus "I want you to experience camp". I think Ozark maybe does that, too.
They're all white for the same reason HPISD is all white and the SBMISD Memorial attendance zone is all white and a few other examples.
It's first of all economically exclusive. Second, people of color that can afford it a) probably don't value the experience and b) don't want to send their kids to an all-white camp. There was probably a time when a person of color would have outright been denied admission to one of those camps. That's probably no longer true, but also probably rarely or never tested.
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5 minutes ago, Texas Fight said:
Agreed this entire tragedy is not one side or the other. But people are making it such. It’s not just Perkins. People on this thread/topic are doing it. Making this event (flooding) about race, white privilege, rich, Christian, conservative, etc…. as evidence, very very little judgment or shaming on those families in RVs, tents or trailer parks.
I don't think people are making it about that.
They are acknowledging that the Mystic girls come from some relatively powerful circles or adjacent thereto and the authorities will likely be held to account as much as possible, which may be in contrast to tragedies occurring in poorer communities.
And also about the simple fact that Texas Hill Country camps are now expensive, therefore exclusive, and pretty much accoutrement of the upper class. They've been around for a long time without necessarily being that, except in the de facto sense. Apparently a lot of people are unfamiliar with the phenomenon.
There's also some legitimate talk about how the current regimes in Austin and DC operate on a "government doesn't work" theory, which they usually prove in spades when they're in office without ever reducing overall government spending.
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3 minutes ago, Speedtrucker said:
white collar crimes aren’t really crimes!
Buncha NE Texas rubes giving rich fraudsters a pass because [Cloak Room]. Bet they'll happily put the hammer on some Nigerian Medicare fraudsters.
Astonishing.
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1 hour ago, Texas Fight said:
Here is one from Ray Nagin that seems racist. He was re-elected after this.
In response to a question at a town hall meeting in October 2005, Nagin said: "I can see in your eyes, you want to know, '[h]ow do I take advantage of this incredible opportunity? How do I make sure New Orleans is not overrun with Mexican workers?'"[26] Some Hispanic groups, including the United States Hispanic Chamber of Commerce, criticized Nagin's statement,[27] although those attending the town hall meeting reportedly applauded—many believing jobs should first go to locals displaced by the hurricane.Look, the point is not to tit for tat.
This Perkins chick made an horrendous comment.
Many of the same type of sentiments were expressed about browns and Katrina. And they were less isolated.
It isn't exclusively one side or the other.
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44 minutes ago, C-Man said:
I don't think it's weird per se. I hate to paint with a very large brush but think about the demographics. There aren't any poor kids going to Mystic or Waldemar or any of the other summer camps that have waiting lists, interviews and acceptance ceremonies (Mystic has all of those, I believe). FF to when these kids have kids of their own. Their daughters MUST go to Mystic, which is still revered by these mothers who are in their 20's, 30's or 40's. You probably have a better chance if you're somewhat active in the camp's recruitment activities, etc, just like in many other organizations. Sounds like there's room for 750 or so campers per session. Anyway, many of these women do not work (again, broad brush) as they're full-time raising children (with or without help). This is something for them to do to stay active or engaged with other similar demographic peers and so on.
I don't think any of that is particularly weird. As mentioned earlier, my best friend from HS (may he RIP) met his future wife while working in the camp kitchen several summers. She was a former camper and was at time the equestrian instructor. They had four girls and every year, even before the girls were even old enough to attend would go up to Mystic and visit. I think they even stayed there some of the time when camp wasn't in session. The couple who own the camp and perished on Friday morning were revered by just about anyone who ever had reason to cross paths with Camp Mystic.
it has become increasingly a thing of the upper class, whereas just a few decades ago, it was middle, upper-middle. And, from my observation, broad brush, yeah, it's stay at home moms-- with nannies. So not just upper class, but getting into idle rich territory.
It's just another aspect of asset inflation and wealth disparity.
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9 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:
Also worth pointing out that the Cypress Lake facility was constructed by the current, Christy, "Christian idiots" that own/run the camp today.
As opposed to the less Christy idiots that built out Guadalupe in the 20s.
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4 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:
It may get rebuilt, but by the new owners after these people get sued into oblivion.
The TM article pointed out that there was quite a bit of corporate structuring going on at Mystic for tax and liability purposes. But you'd have to think the property would be at risk in any event.
Also, Lee Bass is a neighbor and had offered to purchase chunks of the land to buffer his own property.
Another nearby longstanding Hill Country camp, Arrowhead, just flat sold out because of the property value.
From a purely "business" standpoint, it will be interesting to see what happens.
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6 minutes ago, Texas Fight said:
He is an idiot and overly zealous religious fanatic, but that quote doesn’t even come close to targeting black or Hispanic people. Not even close. Unless you are saying only and all black and Hispanic people have orgies, indulge in recreational drugs, and are drunks. Sounds more like people in Steiner Ranch or Circle C than citizens of New Orleans.
No, it's not that specific, but the dog whistle is pretty clear. And if you really want evidence of it you can scour the internet for it and you'll find things just as scurrilous as what Sade Perkins said in an X comment or whatever it was.
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9 minutes ago, Blotto said:
Dude it's a fucking christian camp, now. I don't care who the fuck founded it in 1920. From their home page today...
If you know anything about it, you know it's really not a "church camp," no matter what it says. Church camps are Pine Cove, Sky Ranch, Mo Ranch and so on and so forth, founded by explicitly "Christian idiots" and churches.
And the allegation I responded to was that churches build camps in flood plains.
Everyone builds camps near water, pretty much, it's kind of the essence of camps. The idiots that found them may be Christians, but that's coincidental.
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17 minutes ago, aggie08 said:
Trump is an absolute moron in almost all regards, but always having someone to blame and take the fall that isn't him isn't one of them. If there's one area that he's playing 5D chess, it's there. Dude was planting the seeds for blaming Biden for a possible Iranian terrorist response during his term the day after he ordered bombs dropped on their heads. Patel, Bondi, Bongino, Hegseth...all just future fall guys that are too dumb to realize it.
Yeah, he apparently learned his ratfucking lessons from Roy Cohn very well. He's almost as much a savant at that as self-promotion.
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The Democratic Party
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Makes me think they idolize Bill Clinton because he was such a policy wonk.
But that is not why he got elected. Nor Obama