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Posts posted by TwiceHorn
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1 hour ago, pyrohornIII said:
Not to derail the thread, but who exactly are the State Police? What jurisdiction do they serve and how much power do they hold? I sure have been seeing a lot of cars and trucks lately marked as police but with no indication of what city they serve. Might be better in the ICE thread. But this is one of the trucks sent to respond in Kerr Co.
Texas DPS is the equivalent of "state police" in other states and it says "Texas DPS" on the hood of that thing, which seems conspicuously useless in this context (among others).
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1 hour ago, Da Fino said:
They certainly wouldn’t have hurt for many of the areas in this instance.
I honestly think they're a great idea. I do tend to pay attention to weather alerts, but sirens really do get my attention.
From a timeliness standpoint, yeah, they're the last line of defense, but something needed to get through to people.
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2 minutes ago, Hondo said:Don't worry. Attention-seeking behavior and vicarious trauma by proxy™️ are immediate deal-breakers.
Well, to one degree or another, anyone who posts here is engaged in attention-seeking behavior.
Very little any of us have to say is really that important to anyone except us.
Nicole seems to be a very empathic person, generally speaking.
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15 minutes ago, TreatyOak said:
What's the over/under on this conversation taking place last Thursday night? "I've been running this goddamn camp for 52 years and no one knows this goddamn excuse ofr a river better than me. There ain't going to be no goddamn flood. I'm gonna finish this goodamn bottle and hit the bunk."
Doesn't sound like what I know of Dick Eastland. I didn't know the man, myself, but I know a fair number of people that do, whose judgment I respect and they all say he's a very kind, humble man.
Some of that litigation story belies that a little bit, but I think when something that is a labor of love starts to pay off, people can get a little off-center.
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59 minutes ago, dcbc said:
For those of you who have relatives who think this was cloud "seating," I got nothing.
But Max does
Commissioner Jesus Shot says it's not cloud seating. Or seeding.
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58 minutes ago, West Kerr Horn said:
I grew up in small town West Texas (Snyder) and have lived in Austin (7years) and DFW (38 years). As a youngster, we came down to Kerr county, Kingsland, Christoval, Leakey and Camp Wood to camp and fish. Good times.
When retirement talk between my wife and I started, I told her I had a place in mind. We have lived here for 3 years. Absolutely love it. I like that we have dark skies and I can see the stars at night. I like that I don’t hear planes, trains and sirens at night. It took me a couple of months to get used to sleeping where it was so quiet.
Another adjustment is to not being in a hurry and slow down, not be insistent. No one is in much of a hurry here.
My friends here are a motley crew: the owner of a food truck/ nonprofit food bank, a semi-retired security guard and his wife that moved here from Northern California, a Kerr County native that works in construction and his wife that is my barber. One of my UT classmates and I have reconnected and he is the director of Schreiner University music dept and the conductor of our local symphony. I am on a deer lease with the nonprofit guy and the music guy. Go figure. Redneck hunters have different interests!
The county has very affluent areas ( game ranches, retirement communities) and abject poverty. Ingram Tom Moore HS built a new band hall and installed showers because some of the kids in band have no running water in their homes. One of the reasons we started the nonprofit was to help these families with food and basic necessities.
I can add more later if anyone is interested.
I don't think anyone can dispute the natural beauty and that is what I am most familiar with.
Sounds much more diverse than I would have guessed.
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1 minute ago, Cousin Strawberry said:
I read an article over the weekend that said collectively the had spent around $6 million on intrafamily litigation.
That all seems to have concluded via settlement around 2011.
The scheme described then was a land-ownership corporation, Natural Fountains, that owned the land, and a camp-operation corporation, Camp Mystic, Inc., that ran the camp, collected the fees and paid rent to Natural Fountains.
Those family members not actively running the camp owned Natural Fountains, mostly; those running the camp, I.e. Dick and Tweety, owned Camp Mystic, Inc.
It's conceivable that separating the ownership of the land from the operation of the camp insulates the land from the negligence claims sure to come.
And all of that may have changed through the settlement. Also, the recent opening of the Cypress Lake branch may a) reflect some new harmony among the family and b) still more changes to the corporate structure.
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20 minutes ago, sunset87 said:
One other thing I noticed, the valley the river runs in, along the camp "pinches in" against the large hill to the southeast, on the far east side of the camp area, creating a kind of funnel. With the amount of water in this flood, I am betting that narrowing might have caused the flood water to back up and rise even higher than the max river crest.
Yes, Mystic seems to be an unusually vulnerable area.
Was the South Fork more seriously flooded than North Fork? It seems so, several of the other camps are on the North Fork.
We've heard some stuff about La Junta and Mystic, but Heart o The Hills is between them and have heard nothing, that I am aware of. It's also on the north bank of the river.
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Yeah been around Gibsons in various towns, including WF.
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On 7/3/2025 at 8:59 AM, satyanash said:
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6414771/2025/06/10/nil-house-settlement-paying-athletes-deals-ncaa/
The new enforcement terms under the House settlement instruct college athletes to declare any third-party NIL deals worth at least $600 into a clearinghouse database. The idea is that the clearinghouse, dubbed “NIL Go” and managed by the accounting firm Deloitte, will serve as a restrictor plate on NIL collectives and pay-for-play, flagging deals that do not reflect a valid business purpose or fall within a reasonable range of compensation. Yahoo Sports reported that at the recent ACC spring meetings, Deloitte officials shared that 70 percent of past deals from NIL collectives would be denied under the new clearinghouse.
But in candid conversations, coaches and recruiting staffers have serious doubts that athletes will declare those deals, or do so accurately. Some have suggested that players are being encouraged not to declare deals at all, but to simply take the money and keep quiet rather than risk the clearinghouse flagging it. And if that’s the case, where do we suspect that money might be coming from? “I guess it would just be the same as the way things used to work,” lamented the athletic director, frustrated by those already angling to undermine the settlement. “We’d be right back where we started.”
History suggests that power-thirsty boosters paying athletes under the table is a tough thing to police — particularly after collectives spent the past few years streamlining the art of bag dropping. Now, instead of an envelope of cash in a player’s locker, it’s a direct deposit into their bank account. (The IRS might complicate that process under the House settlement, but that’s what payment apps are for.) “If some donor wants to wire a player $25,000 a month, who’s keeping track of that?” one power conference administrator said. Money wires aside, the system of boosters paying players is much more sophisticated and far less frowned upon, and it’s going to be impossible to put that infrastructure back into the tube.
Least surprising thing ever.
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4 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:
Send her to fucking South Sudan. Rwanda. I dgaf. She's a criminal.
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12 hours ago, Beau Vine said:
Americans. Pay. The. Tariffs. You. Fucking. Dolt.
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46 minutes ago, Skipper said:
One of my best friend's daughter was at the camp when this happened and is safe and I've talked to him about it this week. His wife went to camp there, was a counselor etc. as were other family members. They are also close to the family. But from what I gather the dad's that are not as attached emotionally to the camp and able to look at this a little more objectively are pretty incensed at the situation and don't think it's going to go well once litigators dive into all of this. He sent me a breakdown of projected revenue based on what they pay + number of camps and sessions, etc. There was certainly plenty of profit available to improve safety and risk management and there is certainly a view in hindsight that it was lacking. I'll probably hear more once we're able to grab a beer and discuss in more detail, but just throwing out there to say that criticism started to grow is not limited to those of us reading about it all on the internet. There are some very connected people that lost kids or grandkids that I doubt just write this off as a tragedy that couldn't have been prevented.
Yeah the 2011 article had the Eastlands making about 200k from the camp seemingly in profit distribution above any salary, and other family getting 20k annual dividends.
And yeah the location of any cabins in the floodplain or close to the river is problematic, let alone for young girls. And that seemingly should have prompted some extra vigilance in flood conditions.
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I guess an addendum to this is that this is a semi-sorta retirement place candidate. Or was at one time, so I am curious what it's really like.
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So, I've been going down there off and on most of my life. One of my best friend's growing up's mother grew up in a really cool house on Hwy 39 in Hunt/Ingram. She's in her 80s now and they are retired down there, as are some other older family friends.
Beyond that, I don't really have much feel for who lives in Kerrville/Kerr County. Lotta old, white, fairly wealthy retirees. Probably a lot native cedar-chopper type rural poors too.
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4 minutes ago, horn4life said:
That's sort of what I thought. But I think that while the LLC owned it they had a flood claim on the property via insurance. Still I am assuming the LLC has been dissolved, but from the evidence they did have knowledge, and withheld it from disclosure.
I honestly do not know exactly what remedy the neighbor has/will pursue. But figured some of you guys would have some solid info. And this is a lazy mans AI, Surly AI, as on Surly all intelligence is artificial isn't it? 😉
It's not really your problem, but you can look up the LLC here, assuming Texas, and see if it is actually dissolved. https://comptroller.texas.gov/taxes/franchise/account-status/search
Even if dissolved, LLCs are not a magic shield. Someone had to sign the disclosure for the LLC and the members/managers are liable in their personal capacity for fraud they committed or conspired to commit.
And Gil Bang is right, although an LLC is there to avoid personal liability, the number of times its owners fuck that up probably exceeds the number of times it provides much of a shield.
Also, it seems fairly unlikely that the listing agent would have any liability, unless they conspired with the LLC and its members/managers to provide a false disclosure. The listing agent may be in a tough spot because they're no longer in touch with the seller, or isn't getting cooperation in responding to the complaint.
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6 hours ago, Homesickhorn said:
You’re right, he’s dead. A good man that I’ve known most of my life, who loved people of all walks of life. He died trying to save campers, and this post will probably get negged because it’s emotionally charged, but fuck you.By pretty much all accounts, Dick Eastland was a good guy. Good friend of mine worked at Mystic about 40 years ago, his wife was a counselor and sent two daughters there.
He's not nearly as fun to point the finger at as the feckless Kerr County officials that put partisan politics ahead of people's safety.
Unfortunately, though, it appears that Da Fino is right. There's almost no way he doesn't bear significant responsibility for this.
Good people have feet of clay.
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3 minutes ago, Bevo said:
And some people have a natural tendency to dismiss any and all conspiracy theories
Not sure if it's natural or acquired.
Relatedly, some people have a tendency to explain every damn thing with a conspiracy theory. And they tend to be dumb as fuck. And are extremely influential these days.
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7 hours ago, 'stache said:
Different topic but fits the thread title and I was just sent this today coincidentally. Watch to No. 5.
Lost a lot of respect for him representing Paxton in his impeachment.
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7 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:
Sirens going off with this line. Someone starts going on about striving for “purity” and I put them in my jihadi/Crusader/Heaven’s Gate mental box. You can’t argue with it.
“We believe freedom of speech is the most fundamental human right and guarantor of other freedoms, so we vigorously defend expression we find personally abhorrent.” 100 percent less crazy, open to debate and discussion, same general principle.
I mean, look at the OP, the guy is a little nuts. Funny as it may be, there's really no need to go there in that particular way. So yeah, he's nuts. Also effective, apparently.
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3 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:
the fyre mail and social lists are worth 10m
no way you are bagging that for 100k
Why tho? Gullible people?
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Coming back to this, didn't realize he was on Infowars.
That close an association with Jones does not speak well of him. But, I'm sure he's quite used to dealing with lunatics and inured to it. And that is a great place to drum up business from lunatics, which is sort of his stock in trade.
This from their website, which reflects what I said about being absolutists:
We went up against the government because they were trying to censor a guy who protested in favor of LGBTQ rights. Then, we used the same underlying briefing to support a woman who protested against Pride Month. We are Catholics who assist pro-abortion protesters and Satanists. We are Jews who fight for Nazis’ free speech rights. We are gays who fight for people who want to end marriage equality. We find the greatest purity in supporting speech we despise, because that is what freedom is about.
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8 minutes ago, immamac said:
I put a bid on it this morning for 106k on eBay. No shit.
Why? For teh lulz?
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4th of July Texas Flood
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No question. My "defense" of him upthread was in response to a post that sort of accused him of being a jackass.