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David Dennison

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  1. 36 minutes ago, Mojo Hand said:

    And vote for who else, exactly?   Voting third party only helps Republicans.  The way to improve the party is by voting for better Democrats.   Which includes primarying bad ones, like the Justice Dems have done, which is why the AOC group is there to begin with.

    My rep is pretty progressive, has come out for impeachment hearings, and voted no on the Senate border bill.   My city has lurched to the left in local elections.   And I've got Warren for president.   So I don't see any need to vote for anyone else. 

    Movement left is going to be slower than I would like. The Democratic majority exists because of moderates, not progressives. It's probably going to be that way for a few more cycles if Democrats want to keep the majority. 

  2. 2 hours ago, Mojo Hand said:

    Sure, fail like continuing to win a majority in the House only to pass nothing and rubber stamp Mitch McConnell's bills without change.   When that is "success," the Dems have absolutely failed.   Or when your biggest "wins" over the last 25 years are enacting the Heritage Foundation's health care plan, welfare "reform," and the crime bill. 

    It's like when aggy finished 3rd in their division but in the top ten and thought they were elite.   When that's your best, you are losing more generally.   Winning for the Dems should mean enacting actual progressive policies, and losing should mean getting shit like Obamacare through as a compromise with the right.   That's the situation the right has achieved — winning for them is the most awful of right-wing policies, and losing is when the Dems enact the conservative health care plan and take the blame for its shitty parts. 

    You should stop voting for Democrats. Enacting progressive policies requires progressives. The Democratic party isn't progressive. 

     

  3. 1 hour ago, Mojo Hand said:

    It's not about where the party is ideologically.   Sure, the AOC group is further left than most, but the House bill that got all but their votes was much further left than the Senate bill that the Dems rubber stamped.  Protections for people in the camps is an easy sell to everyone except the racists on the far right. 

    It's about where the party is strategically, and has been during the entire GOP takeover of government over the last 25 years.  Dems think that voters are ideologically static and try to pander to the common denominator.   Republicans know that a huge chunk of voters are ideologically flexible, and they push those voters towards their extreme.   The result is extreme right policies when they're in power and more traditional Republican policies when the Dems win a foothold in Congress or the presidency.  Those same voters can be pushed the other way if presented with confident, unified persuasive efforts from Dems. 

    The AOC group has the strategy exactly right, and the Dems will continue to fail until they realize it. 

    Continue to fall like winning a majority in the House of Representatives or something else?

  4. 19 minutes ago, HtownHorn said:

    Man this thread is a special kind of stupid. My guess is this what twitter is like. You guys really believe this shit, your echo chambers are amazing to behold.

    It's a lot like watching the right.

  5. 23 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

    Give the right fuel?  The times of worrying about that are over.  

    I think this is correct. I don't see how this country unifies in light of current political divisions. The Civil War was the result of similar divisions that could not be healed through peaceful means.

    If Democrats ever get as dug in and intransigent as Republicans, hold on to your butts.

  6. 37 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

    From the swamp-creature Clay's outburst in the halls to the exposure of Nancy's two-faced dealings, it's pretty clear she's a terrible leader of the caucus.

    There are a few options for leadership...

    1 - You can keep everyone in line with an iron fist
    2 - You can make it SEEM like everyone is in line through diplomacy (public and private)

    Nancy cannot do either. She tried and failed to scold the young blood and she's incapable of even trying option #2 because she's petty, vindictive, and jealous.

    She sucks and always has.

     

    Sounds like it should be easy to replace her.

  7. 2 minutes ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

    Hillary Clinton was everything wrong with our political system in one candidate. Her entire career has been one smoking gun of behind the door scandal, and she bought the DNC which had no issues with her as long as they won. Party uber alles.  People like her should never be allowed to attain office.

    Trump was an outsider, something our government is sorely in need of. Parties are for parties and nothing else. He wasn't the candidate I wanted, but he beat that POS, and for that yes, a bullet was dodged for damn sure. Rewarding Hillary with the office she would do, and did do anything she could do to attain it, illegally in many instances through out her time in Washington would set the precedence for more like her.

    Trump is like chemotherapy, bad medicine that will be survived. I want more outsider candidates (why I liked AOC's victory). If we're going to survive as a functioning democratic republic we better get more of them running before the parties bury us in their own self interests, that have nothing to do with actual honest governance.

    Everything you were worried about is worse now. He's more of everything that you don't like about Clinton. 

    You stepped right in front of the bullet. 

     

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  8. 54 minutes ago, Mojo Hand said:

    It's not about what would have happened; it's about what should have happened.  AOC was exactly right.   The Dems needed to stand together to demand protections for the kids in the camps.   Mitch McConnell refusing to accept those changes vs the Dems pushing for them is a public fight worth having, and a fight the Dems would win.  

    It's no answer to say "But they couldn't do that because the moderate Dems capitulated."  That's exactly the point and the problem.  And I don't buy the "moderate Dems have to placate their purple/red districts."  This isn't the Green New Deal; it's toothbrushes and fresh water for women and children.  It's exactly the sort of thing that led some suburban Republicans to leave Trump for Dems in the first place. 

    I agree it's what should have happened, but that's not the reality in Washington. The Democrats should have refused to pass the amended bill. But the majority of them supported it. That speaks volumes about where the party really is ideologically. I hate it just as much as you do. The left flank of the party could not convince a majority of the Democratic caucus to support their position. AOC and the left lost this particular political battle. Maybe it had something to do with her tactics and her visibility. I don't know. But her act is grating on a not insignificant number of Democrats in the House. They complained about it to Nancy Pelosi and that's what last week's dust up was about. 

     

  9. 2 minutes ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

    If you think you're tweaking my nose somehow forget it. He did what I wanted, he beat the most corrupt POS in Washington for the last 50 years.

    The bonus is he pisses off the democrats regardless of what he does.  I won't shed a single tear when he's not re elected. If he is re elected I'll shake my head in disbelief that he could win after so much gnashing of teeth, and wringing hands by the left.

     

    Again show me where I've dissed AOC, and extolled Trumps virtues. I'll wait.......

    You voted for someone who is even more corrupt. By a lot. Oh, and he's a sexual predator and a racist. 

    Good job.

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  10. 6 minutes ago, lemonlime said:

    And this is precisely the problem.

    I agree. The party and the members within it are not nearly as progressive as many of us want. But that is reality. This Democratic majority exists not because of far left members like AOC, which is what I prefer, but because of centrist Democrats from red districts. That sucks and it presents leadership with the unenviable task of holding together a caucus that is much more ideologically diverse than the Republicans. They have purged all of their moderates. Democrats haven't been able to do that because Democratic voters are not as far left as the party's loudest voices in the media.

  11. 1 minute ago, Mojo Hand said:

    So the answer for "what is the Dems' alternative to being weak" is "there is no alternative to being weak"? 

    What do you think would have happened inside the party if there was no bill?

  12. Just now, Onboard 2.0 said:

    Oh noes you don;t like my opinions... whatever will I do...  That you don't like my opinion tells me it's the correct opinion.

    No, it isn't. Supporting this administration is immoral. You should be ashamed.

  13. Just now, Onboard 2.0 said:

    Jesus STFU, with your one trick pony "but Trump" comments.  I supported Trumps victory over a POS like Hillary, and would vote the same way again if she ran. 

    That's why your opinion on anything is not worth listening to.

    You support Donald Trump.

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