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J.R.

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  1. 7 minutes ago, Istian said:

    Or maybe - stay with me here - the players are the same fucking 4 and 5 star players that MANY other great football schools wanted. Maybe they bust their asses at practice, just like anyone who wants to get to the NFL would. Maybe the coaches just fucking suck and need to be canned. Weird concept I know. Your comments about “country club atmosphere” sound exactly like the oft repeated shit from 9.95ers trying to dress up the shit sandwich that was Texas’ previous two coaching staff hires. 
     

    No explanation for talented players that everyone else wanted sucking? Call them lazy! Blame the “atmosphere” because there CLEARLY wasn’t any signs of Strong or Herman sucking before they signed to coach at Texas. 
     

    With the right coach, this team and its players perform just fine. Saying anything else is fucking stupid. 

    At some point, when every coach except DKR and for a time Mack gets ground into dust its not them its you

  2. 4 minutes ago, Hank Chinaski said:

    What is this "singularly unique pathology"? You've implied that it is "arrogance" and other vague stuff, but what specifically are we talking about that is unique to Texas? 

    Its a combination of many factors.  Here is a partial listing.

    1. Arrogance, but lots of programs are arrogant.
    2. Fractured mega-booster base (Houston vs Dallas for example)
    3. Serious academic institution that has real standards to uphold (not a bad thing but part of it)
    4. Huge mid-level booster base capable of serious interference 
    5. Lack of cohesion between AD and booster base at any level
    6. 5 leads to poorly run searches for major mens coaches because there is no comprehensively orchestrated and executed strategy 
    7. In general, a badly run (especially historically) athletic department as it relates to major mens sports (contributes to 5)
    8. Country club atmosphere
    9. Only a few brief periods of success interrupted by LONG periods of mediocrity gets ingrained at some point
    10. Texas believes that everyone wants to coach at Texas.  Some coaches dont give a fuck about Texas.
    11. Texas believes that Texas should be elite just because its Texas, there is no thought of excruciating level of effort required to achieve maintained success at the highest levels
    12. 11 means that fans believe you hire a good coach, you recruit the same 4-5* like always, put them in the country club, and success naturally follows.  It doesnt.  
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  3. 10 minutes ago, jinx said:

    So the AD at Auburn orchestrated the 200k payment to Scam Newtons dad so Auburn could win the title?   That’s how it is done everywhere else right?  
     

    Boosters that have made millions of dollars doing whatever the fuck they think they should do to lead their companies to huge profits that made them rich, sit around waiting for a guy they could buy 50 times over to tell them what to do.  Everywhere except Texas.  
     

    I concede. Your one outlier example proves tour argument correct. 

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  4. 4 minutes ago, jinx said:

    You are an absolute dumbass.  Do you know how awful Bama was for a decade prior to Saban taking over?   I mean they had a coach get fired before he even coached a game because he let a stripper run up a tab on the University credit card.  And those are the most arrogant entitled fans on the planet.  I know, I am surrounded by them.  
     

    SEC fans in general are baffled by Texas sucking. They all have the same impression of Texas Football as the standard Texas fan.  Texas should be elite, it is shocking that they aren’t.  And every single fan base in the SEC is as arrogant as the Texas fan base aside from Vandy.  Your argument is genuine garbage.  Are you Mensa?   Seems like you are since you know so much about how smart people think.  

    You are correct I believe UT suffers from a singularly unique pathology. Maybe that would explain things. Have you thought about that?

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  5. 7 minutes ago, hookem48 said:

    He took the Florida job because it was a step up, he got back into coaching because the Ohio State job was home and there was a championship team already built. Does he really want to come to this clusterfuck?

    Yes, he WILL come here if he thinks he can win according the wisdom of this thread. 

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  6. 44 minutes ago, Not a Sock said:

    You literally have no idea what the fuck you are talking about and are at this point just making shit up. All of the major schools heavily use their booster to back channel with coaches and drum up money and to grease palms. This read like pathetic Texags fans fiction trying to come up with reasons that Meyer wouldn't take the Texas job.

    At the direction and coordination of the AD dip shit. Not each donor unilaterally going out and pursuing their own agenda. Why is this so hard?

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  7. 28 minutes ago, cochamps said:

    Since we have one with a very good track record of picking coaches, why all the pussy rubbing?  Seriously, get a grip.

    I think the AD fucking sucks balls and that is also part of the problem that I think Urban would ponder. 

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  8. 1 hour ago, BigHorn'13 said:

    I see. And what does the AD do exactly? Or, in what capacity does he possess the right to tell everyone around him to fuck off (i.e. donors?)

    Yeah, I think you might be mistaken how the whole funding for athletics works at Texas (and most schools except aggy.) You're kidding yourself if you don't think you need the big money involved. 

    He manages the donors and addresses their concerns and engages them in the process but he doesn’t let them run it or go rogue themselves. This sounds crazy I know, but it’s like how every other school does it. 

  9. 33 minutes ago, BigHorn'13 said:

     

     

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    So how exactly does a blue blood or, hell, any school for that matter, get a coach and build their program? 

    I know this is a foreign concept but the AD does it. 

  10. 2 minutes ago, Ricky Butler said:

    If you don’t think Texas is a desirable job that someone like Urban Meyer might be interested in, I don’t know what to tell you. We fit the profile of historic under performer that gets guys like him giddy. 

    I didn’t say any of that. I was pointing out you said “Urban WILL come here if he thinks he can win.  

  11. 1 minute ago, Not a Sock said:

    Troll confirmed. If we get Urban it will because our boosters made it happen.

    Exactly then they will think they are owed things like access and every damn other thing. 

  12. 16 minutes ago, Bill Lumbergh said:

    You're talking in circles, so I'll leave it at this.

    Urban will come here if he thinks he can win. Guys as successful as him are going to be very good at understanding what variables matter, and what variables are noise in that calculation, as well as whether you can control the variables that matter.

    At Texas, he has talent (he's said so himself), a recruiting hotbed, a conference that shouldn't present as much of a challenge as he faced in the big 10 or sec, and resources. He has to fix terrible development and team culture. If he can fix those and win, a lot of other "problems" fall in line.

    Yes, our fan base is spoiled and has ridiculous expectations. Where that Meyer would consider coaching is that not true? I've heard mentioned usc or Notre Dame...are those variables better there? The kinds of jobs a guy like Meyer will look at will all have those cultural hurdles. He's faced them before at osu, and personally I don't think he'd avoid a job like Texas for those reasons.

    In other words, he will have control on the variables most important to winning, and winning will take care of the external variables.

    Clearly you think they'll be enough to keep him from the job, or you have an interest in him not taking the job, or maybe both. Either way, we don't know and won't ever know, but the next report that says he's reconsidering the job because of fan and alumni culture will be the first. I don't buy it.

    You already have Urban coming here as long as he thinks he can win?  This is fucking precisely the arrogance I am talking about. Everyone’s dream job must be Texas. 

  13. 7 minutes ago, Not a Sock said:

    Well your fucking wrong just like all your other takes, Helton still has job there because the administration at USC doesn't care about football anymore and has told the donors to piss off.

    That would be a goddamned blessing were it to occur at Texas. 

  14. 16 minutes ago, Ricky Butler said:

    Well what you said is really vague, so I don’t know. But if entitlement is an issue, then USC has problems too. Where do you live? I think your take is too Texas centric. Let’s not pretend their athletic department has been better than ours. 

    It is very Texas centric. Your point is fair. I just think there are less outside forces weighing down the football program there. It’s a smaller department for one, less alumni that care about football, just easier to be sure you could do whatever you thought was necessary. 

  15. 1 minute ago, Bill Lumbergh said:

    Fan and alumni culture/atmosphere have zero impact on the team's performance.

    Player culture does, and the coach has complete control over that. Meyer is on record saying it's one of a head coach's most important jobs.

    I can't decide if you're aggy or sooner. I lean aggy.

    I lean strongly that you are a total fucking idiot and a big part of the problem. 

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  16. Just now, Bill Lumbergh said:
    4 minutes ago, J.R. said:
    No my argument is that he will not come because he might not be successful because of forces totally outside of his control which is exactly the kind of thing successful intelligent people think about for your information

    Which forces?

    The arrogant forces of the country club atmosphere that makes players, fans, alumni etc think Texas should win just because “We’re Texas” and not because of CEASELESS MAXIMUM EFFORT which is a core tenet of Urbans philosophy definitely not present at Texas and something I think Urban may have a serious reservation about. 

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  17. Just now, TwiceHorn said:

    At first I agreed with this.

    Then after considering it for a while, I think it's probably not accurate.  

    We're still saying we need a culture change or overhaul.  That always seems to be a bigger deal than you might initially think.

    We also seem to be a little low on some "selected" talent, that is, we have some bad evals and poor development.  And we still probably don't get as good a recruiting haul as we need to compete at the highest level.

    When you look at it that way, it's closer to a total rebuild than something else.

    Look here. This is part of what I am talking about folks. 

  18. 1 hour ago, Bill Lumbergh said:

    Your argument is that Urban won't want to come here because he thinks the challenge is too big for him and he wants to avoid taking a chance where he might fail?

    Yeah, that totally seems like the way elite coaches like Meyer think. Low confidence in their abilities, risk avoidance, etc.

    No my argument is that he will not come because he might not be successful because of forces totally outside of his control which is exactly the kind of thing successful intelligent people think about for your information

  19. 2 hours ago, totallynotabuttpirate said:

    Texas needed a total rebuild after Strong. They don’t need one anymore, just a coach that doesn’t stubbornly insist he’s god’s gift to mankind and his farts smell like flowers,  despite mountains of evidence to the contrary. 

    This kind of arrogance about the state of the program is why Texas is exactly where it almost always is. 

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