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  1. So actually I think this is part of what I'm talking about, while I think it's symptomatic and not a cause, these things are absolutely other markers of what is going on. I would never! As far as At the Drive In, the one guitarist was ok and started a pretty decent band, the singer however is a fucking douche canoe and absolute poster child for this shit. Absolute bitch made pussy with the emotional fortitude of an 8 year old.
  2. Her collaboration with Patrick L was one of the best songwriting runs ever. I was listening to Material Girl earlier.
  3. So yeah, I specifically mentioned that it was style agnostic. In fact, it probably came through in heavier music more than light stuff now that I think about it. I mean Gordon Lightfoot was one of the hardest motherfuckers out. But when people post At the Drive IN, it's literally the thing I'm talking about to a tee. I'll just reiterate some things since some of it is kind of getting glossed over. What I'm really talking about is a larger mass cultural phenomenon and the only real part of this related to music is that obviously culture gets expressed through music, so it shows up there. And I wasn't even specifically talking about lyrics, though they certainly carry a lot of the message. It's more just an entire way of being. I also was not referring to a particular generation, but more a moment in time. If anything, it started with the tail end of my generation, Gen X and disaffected suburban kids who had no real challenges in life other than to complain about their fee fees. But I really don't subscribe to much in the way of generational stereotypes. There's certain commonalities, but they aren't monoliths. Hell I have been fairly out of step with my generation my whole life, yet I embody Gen X stereotypes more than almost anyone I know. It was just a general shift to professional victimhood and letting life happen to you instead of taking ownership of your own life. Proactive vs reactive. It's how a large segment of society related to the world they inhabited. And these people have always existed, hell I have them in my family, but it became very widespread. I also don't think there was no music from this time period that was good. I think I mentioned in this thread actually Social Distortion put out a great album, Supersuckers did a couple good ones, Dropkick Murphys, Bad Religion. Florence and the Machine put out Lungs in this time period I think? MGMT was starting. And funny enough celeryman mentioned Mumford and Sons, I am not a big Mumford stan, but Little Lion Man is like 180 degrees from what I am talking about. A totally self actualized song. My Chemical Romances cover of Desolation Row is one of my top 5 covers ever. But then again it was written by Dylan. And as I mentioned there was a change in the mid teens. Isbell and Stapleton really on the scene. Revivalists have been good. I named Broken by lovelytheband already, but I can't name everything clearly these are just some that spring to mind from that time. Also, the 60s folk guys, And I'm 100% sure @Celery Man is reading my take in early aught bands
  4. Yeah, I get that you are, and I'm sure I'm not adequately describing it. But it's really just passivity/reactive action vs affirmative action, that's all. At the Drive In is definitely one of the poster child bands for this. Screaming and yelling and banging your guitar doesn’t mean you aren't reactive and whiny. It's like a temper tantrum onstage. You know the scene in Dazed and Confused where Newhouse is in the back seat and goes all tearful and yells "I wanna dance!". It's basically that.
  5. I know, fucking jokes on me obviously! My Morning Jacket, that is like exactly the type of band I think of. Did I call them pussies or did I say limp and passive? I can't remember actually, but the latter would be more accurate. And like I said this started in the mid 90s. Korn was the first one that really made me stop and ask wtf was going on, but you have you Linkin Parks, your At the Drive Ins, you name it. It seems like it started to shift mid 2010s. Stuff like lovelytheband's Broken was one of the ones from that era that I noticed a different vibe starting, along with all the stuff like Isbell and Stapleton, through a lot of indie rock like Ryan Hamilton and Kurt Baker. It really isn't genre specific as I said.
  6. If you look at the sentence before the one you quoted you would see.
  7. Man, I knew this was gonna get way off track which is why I was hesitant to even respond. Lyrics are not even really what I'm describing, though they can be a part of it. The only reason I even brought up Modest Mouse in the first place was because it's just one of those bands my drummer was really into with some of our other friends, could be like Band of Horses or whatever, I wouldn't get so hung up on a particular band. My general thought about Modest Mouse is essentially the Don Draper " I don't think of you at all" line.
  8. No, it's really just what I said. The passivity of letting things happen to you versus positive action of controlling events and your own mental/spiritual/whatever condition. As mentioned it was a a broader culture thing that found expression in music as well. The most concise way I've found to express it is it's "oh poor me" vs. "Imma punch you in the fucking face".
  9. I mean, I don't really consider it generational. It was just prevailing culture for a period of time, I see generally a shift over the past 5 or 10 years, if not back to more aggression, at least less passivity. Probably more nihilism now than anything.
  10. I mean, this is way off the thread topic, so I'm not getting but so far into this, but they are a part of that generational shift that happened in the late 90s to early 00s where popular music became limp and passive. It's a symptom of a culture which became professional victims that allowed events to happen to it, versus actively controlling them. There's a laundry list of bands of this ilk, Korn was the the first real big one that was arresting in their wimpiness, but it crossed myriad genres and styles.
  11. Do I? I'm not dismissing that notion out of hand but I don't believe so. Unless we are going back to like the New York Dolls, then yes.
  12. Because it's wuss music.
  13. Well I want to be with Susanna Hoffs, but here we are.
  14. https://www.searchcraigslist.org/
  15. If he has any 64 or 65 Strats, I wanna be at the head of the line! Not sure about buying and selling but it's by far the best way to find musicians these days, which is wild to me.
  16. Having watched the 2018 stage where Yates cracked live at the time, watching this was pretty amazing.
  17. I knew a girl in LA that was roommates with Jimmy Eat World. She bartended at Barneys Beanery. They were essentially on tour that whole time so I never met them but she said they were pretty awesome guys.
  18. My drummer was a big Modest Mouse guy. Decidedly not my kind of music.
  19. I don't know about that, Times Like These is probably the biggest song for either band
  20. Goddammit I meant Sex Love and Rock and Roll. Fuck
  21. Yeah I don't doubt you, I'm just not familiar with it. Mr. Brightside was everywhere, I still hear it. I also think while a fun song, Monkeywrench is kind of a blip of history relatively speaking. I just actually looked up 2004 songs out of curiosity, Somebody Told Me was a really big song I remember. Slither also dropped from Velvet Revolver that year. That whole era was a pretty big wasteland for me tbh. Social Distortion put out Somewhere Between Heaven and Hell in maybe '05? Audioslave seems about that time as well.
  22. I don't think I've even heard the second one of those.
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