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GW Hayduke

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  1. 3 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

    That's what bothers me about the hard core 2nd amendment types.  They totally miss what it is about.  It's not about the right to have guns just for the sake of having guns.  It's about protecting against government tyranny and they'll yammer on about the 2nd amendment without realizing it's there to protect the 1st and the 4th.

    And they also miss that our greatest protection against government tyranny is the rule-of-law, a free press, an honestly informed electorate, and our democratic processes. 

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  2. 1 minute ago, Aqua Buddha said:

    When you look at the NRA as a consumer marketing organization to sell products (guns) they make a lot more sense than if you see them as a political group.

    I see the NRA’s primary purpose is to shape their members into believeing what the gun industry wants them to believe. Things such as “good guy with gun is only solution to bad guy with gun” or “law abiding citizens are under attack by gun grabbers.”

  3. 19 minutes ago, GRHorn said:

    Not sure if serious. 

    Very much so. He’s had high level positions in the intelligence apparatus for decades under presidents of both parties. He was DNI during the period of Russian attacks on our democracy and trump campaign’s probable conspiring.

    Are you referring to 2013 where he failed to acknowledge the existence of the Patriot Act? Or something else?

    Or is this an instance where you disagree with what he said, or at least want to disagree, because you don’t want it to be true. Ad Hominem is a logical fallacy FYI.

    It boils down to whether trump’s victory was legitimate or not. Imagine the Sooners beating us but then we realized they cheated. That win would be removed from the books

  4. 9 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

    Except for those pesky facts, which show that living in a home where guns are kept increases one's likelihood of death by homicide anywhere between 40% and 170%.

     

     

     

    I’ll check those out. The one I usually cite is Kellermann’s 1993 study that states:

    The use of illicit drugs and a history of physical fights in the home are important risk factors for homicide in the home. Rather than confer protection, guns kept in the home are associated with an increase in the risk of homicide by a family member or intimate acquaintance.

     

    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199310073291506

  5. 11 minutes ago, HtownHorn said:

    Nothing better for protection than a properly trained and responsible gun owner. Hilarious that you fuckers want to compare these people with drug addicts, yes that is a winning strategy.

    And this is exactly my point. There is an identity wedge between some gun owners and the rest of society. 

  6. 13 minutes ago, MoJames said:

    There is this odd parallel between gun enthusiasts and drug addicts.

    I consistently have conversations with drug addicts in regards to the need to decrease the use as it is a factor in their health and very well could be the etiology of a multitude of their complaints.  Each and every time, they have another potential cause they believe could be causing their symptoms, but at no point are willing to change the approach on their addiction.

    Interesting point. I’ve always considered the position of “responsible gun owners” or “law-abiding gun owners” as grounded squarely in identity and sense-of-self. It seems that they feel threatened or under attack by those “other people.” For some reason, they aren’t able to see that they are citizens of a society and sometimes society seeks its citizens to do things or make sacrifices for betterment or protection of other citizens and society as a whole. 

    There is an identity wedge between some gun owners and the rest of society

  7. 7 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

    I am aware who and what he is specifically targeting.  And I would agree wrt the electorate and the media.  I do however believe that that the entire political apparatus, or at least the vast majority of it, is corrupted.  

     

     

    I get that it appears to be entirely or mostly corrupt but I wonder how much of that is due to the republicans controlling two branches of government. Although there are a lot of things that can be done to make our system less “corrupt” imo like campaign finance reform, removing dark money, more transparency. I think the dems are gonna have a strong anti-corruption platform for 2018

  8. 3 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

    I've been a critic of Comey for a while, but his virtue signalling hits the nail on the head with this one. We have a corrupted political apparatus, a mind numbing stupid and short sighted electorate, and a broken information distribution system. The list of our societal faults could go on a while, but this is a pretty good start. 

    He wasn’t referring to the entire political apparatus, the entire electorate, or the entire media

  9. 3 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

    Does anyone else find it somewhat ironic that Russian oligarchs, who control most of their very corrupt country, including, apparently, law enforcement and banking, would have any need to launder money, at least outside the Russian Federation and former Soviet republics?

     

    I get that they need to invest it outside of the countries they control, but it seems like they could launder it beyond all recognition right there at home with no risk.

    We have sanctions against Russian banks

  10. 2 minutes ago, Jester said:

    I like to imagine it's a real life Breaking Bad scam similar to Walt Jr.'s fundraising efforts for his Dad's cancer treatment.   The Russians utilized stolen credit card/bank info to drop small amounts into Trump's coffers without anyone noticing.  Surely the real life Saul had connections to make this happen.

    Not sure if folks heard about this but one method of money laundering the Russians were potentially using had to do with online gaming where dirty money was used to purchase in-game features. I forget the details of the company that was doing this for an oligarch

  11. 11 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

    It's not a popular or politically correct opinion, but we need more "water throwers."

    People like Tammy need to be called out for their bullshit.  The venom spewed daily by that heinous bimbo is contributing to the decline and divide in our country, and there need to be repercussions for someone whose sole purpose is to drive this country apart.

    Richard Spencer got punched, and suddenly he's fallen off the face of the earth.

    They all know what they are doing, they are just banking on nobody else doing anything about it.

     

    On one level I like the idea of punching nazis. Although I feel there should be a better way to wage a culture war - which this clearly is.

    IMO to win this culture war, the hearts/minds of  the Fox News viewers would need to be swayed and/or they need to be minimized. Somehow we need to keep the number of people who read breitbart or watch tucker Carlson from growing. And ideally get those viewers to recognize that when they see a piece on an immigrant/non-white doing something terrible, it is a news piece solely intended to inflame their identity and is not a true reflection of our world.

  12. 2 minutes ago, Stringer said:

    Best I can tell, she had a drink thrown at her at a restaurant.  You know, real important stuff the President of the United States should be worried about.

    Bunch of snow flakes.

    This taps squarely into identity politics and their narrative that “they” are under attack by “them.” 

    “They” being white women, Americans, responsible gun owners, the coal miner, republicans.

    Them being black guys, immigrants, non-Americans, animals, gun-grabbers, globalists, democrts.

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  13. 1 hour ago, GRHorn said:

    James Clapper, he of the shredded credibility. 

    I’m just happy to know that everybody, EVERYBODY, here is with Tomi Lahren.  

     

     

    What happened to Clapper’s credibility?

  14. 5 hours ago, MaybeACoordinator said:

    The thing I was wondering during the campaign, all along, scratching my head and wondering, was "Who the hell is funding Trump's campaign? What lobbies are behind him?" There's that old idea that our politicians should wear NASCAR style suits bearing the patches of all the Fortune 500 companies that own them, but I could never figure out what would go on Trump's NASCAR uniform. With guys like McCain and Graham, it's Raytheon and Lockheed. With Dole it was Big Ag. With all the Bushes it was Big Awl. Democrats get the unions, Hollywood, Silicon Valley, Big Law, and certain elements on Wall Street. 

    But with Trump? Where was the money coming from, and who would demand favors in return?

    And don't try to tell me he self-funded this shit, or that the Mercers alone funded the entire campaign. 

    Trump has support of most traditional republican groups like defense, gun and oil but has brought immigration and identity with him. He would need a patch for the alt-right, white pride, or something to symbolize the “immigrants are scary and unamerican” crowd. I would also argue that he gets a patch for certain US worker-class sectors that believe they are disenfranchised by the global market place, such coal and steel.

  15. 37 minutes ago, Buzzrock said:

     


    Brisket?

    I’m coming around on the punish-the-gun-owner idea. I need to mull it over with my happy hour politics buddies.

    I also kind of like going after ammo. I have to show ID to buy beer, maybe I should have to show ID that states I passed gun safety to buy ammo? Although that may be unconstitutional.

     

    "Punish" implies the effort is directed at an identity. 

    I think of it as a society seeking its citizens to take steps to help protect other citizens. 

    Though sometimes I think of it as a teacher comforting and telling a child he is special after the child had a fit and screaming because he's not allowed to throw rocks at the playground.

  16. 4 minutes ago, sheeeit said:

    I suppose I would consider a bribe to be an emolument.  Why?  If it is ever proved that trump took a bribe he will go down.

    Bribery is already something that trump can’t be a part of. It seems by turning the definition of emoluments into bribery, you’ve effectively made the emoluments requirement disappear. Brilliant!

  17. 2 minutes ago, sheeeit said:

    The emoluments issue is a tricky one.  But it is not, at all, the slam dunk many of claim.  There are plenty of legal and popular opinion arguments that trump is not violating the act.  I would think the question of whether or not paying market rate for a service is considered an emolument (it is certainly not a gift) could go to SCOTUS.

    IMO, the only way emoluments gets any traction is if it can be proved that foreign govts paid over market rates at Trump properties and then received some kind of benefit.  The public knew trump owned hotels and golf courses all over the world when he was elected.

    With that being said, I do not have a problem with an audit of the trump properties to see what was paid.  If it was over market, then trump should go down.

    I also recall the trump folks saying any profits from foreign govt revenue would be donated to charity.  I would support following up on that.

     

    How is your definition of emoluments different then a bribe?

  18. 13 minutes ago, JohnRedHorn said:

    Nobody cares about the constitution anymore, just like nobody cares about responsible fiscal spending. It's all about what I want and fuck you if you get in the way. No negotiation. No compromise. Just use whatever narrative fits your opinion and reject whatever doesn't. We're one step away from political killings and assassinations because fuck civility just give me what I want now.  

    I agree that things are shitty and the rule-of-law, free press, and an honestly informed electorate are under attack. However, I disagree with the no body cares idea. There is still clearly one-half of the political spectrum that cares about those things.

  19. 8 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

    I just don’t think it will be sensible. I think it will be in reaction to the past few years and the fact that the GOP and NRA is hell-bent on telling them to fuck off  

    They may even make the Vegas shooting front-and-center - one guy killing and wounding over 900 people is a pretty good argument for their side when the GOP did basically nothing. 

    The NRA will be happy though. Memberships will go through the roof. 

    Sure though I don’t think of it as a reaction but more as an effort to solve a problem. Sensible is just an opinion and some folks will undoubtedly feel like anything that happens is drakonian or tyrannical. I would use “sensible” if it turns out to still allow for our legitimate uses of firearms while making a measured effect on our overall rate of firearm deaths.

    Most industries try and get our in front of regulations. I’m not sure why the gun industry isn’t doing this. The forestry industry in the US has sought to avoid regulations through sticking to best practices. Ride-sharing companies do their own background checks. 

  20. 30 minutes ago, GRHorn said:

    Both sides leak any confidential info that is beneficial to them.  Seems like every conversation is leaked. It’s pathetic. I doubt that’s the reason.

     

     

    Maybe. Maybe not.  Fact is, DOJ and FBI are subject to congressional oversight by elected representatives.  They’ve been avoiding it.  

    The both sides argument is getting old. It’s intellectually weak IMO. See false equivalence fallacy.

    I do not believe that both sides leak classified/confidential information for the purpose of political gain that puts our nation’s security at risk. See Valerie Plame, the Nunes memo, and this example of outing a foreign CIA/FBI asset.

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