GW Hayduke
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On 5/18/2018 at 6:31 PM, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:
You are correct in that the inconclusive 2013 CDC wasn't favorable to my side. That's why I don't bring it up.
The 2013 CDC study is not favorable to the pro-gun side.
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On 5/18/2018 at 9:12 PM, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:On 5/18/2018 at 7:57 PM, HtownHorn said:https://www.nap.edu/read/18319/chapter/1?page=
The TL;DR version
For example, the majority of gun-related deaths between 2000 and 2010 were due to suicide and not criminal violence:- Between the years 2000-2010 firearm-related suicides significantly outnumbered homicides for all age groups, annually accounting for 61 percent of the more than 335,600 people who died from firearms related violence in the United States.
- Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million per year, in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008.
- Accidental deaths due to firearms has continued to fall as well, with “the number of unintentional deaths due to firearm-related incidents account[ing] for less than 1 percent of all unintentional fatalities in 2010.”
- Also, the report noted that mass shootings such as the one in Newtown, Connecticut, have declined and “account for a very small fraction of all firearm-related deaths.”
- The study said that “interventions,” such as background checks and restrictions on firearms and increased penalties for illegal gun use, showed “mixed” results, while “turn-in” programs “are ineffective” in reducing crime.
- The study noted that most criminals obtained their guns in the underground economy — from friends, family members, or gang members — well outside any influence from gun controls on legitimate gun owners.
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The study reported that “the U.S. rate of firearm-related homicide is higher than that of any other industrialized country: 19.5 times higher than the rates in other high-income countries.”
- “If one were to exclude figures for Illinois, California, New Jersey and Washington, DC, the homicide rate in the United States would be in line with any other country.” These areas, of course, are noted for the most restrictive gun laws in the country, thus negating any opportunity for the president to celebrate the report’s findings.
It's like you copied and pasted your tldr version without attribution.
I'll give you a hint where he copied it from. Look at my post above.
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On 5/18/2018 at 7:57 PM, HtownHorn said:
https://www.nap.edu/read/18319/chapter/1?page=
The TL;DR version
For example, the majority of gun-related deaths between 2000 and 2010 were due to suicide and not criminal violence:
- Between the years 2000-2010 firearm-related suicides significantly outnumbered homicides for all age groups, annually accounting for 61 percent of the more than 335,600 people who died from firearms related violence in the United States.
- Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million per year, in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008.
- Accidental deaths due to firearms has continued to fall as well, with “the number of unintentional deaths due to firearm-related incidents account[ing] for less than 1 percent of all unintentional fatalities in 2010.”
- Also, the report noted that mass shootings such as the one in Newtown, Connecticut, have declined and “account for a very small fraction of all firearm-related deaths.”
- The study said that “interventions,” such as background checks and restrictions on firearms and increased penalties for illegal gun use, showed “mixed” results, while “turn-in” programs “are ineffective” in reducing crime.
- The study noted that most criminals obtained their guns in the underground economy — from friends, family members, or gang members — well outside any influence from gun controls on legitimate gun owners.
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The study reported that “the U.S. rate of firearm-related homicide is higher than that of any other industrialized country: 19.5 times higher than the rates in other high-income countries.”
- “If one were to exclude figures for Illinois, California, New Jersey and Washington, DC, the homicide rate in the United States would be in line with any other country.” These areas, of course, are noted for the most restrictive gun laws in the country, thus negating any opportunity for the president to celebrate the report’s findings.
There is a lot to un-pack here, but it basically is a cherry-picked set of information from a "study" or "report" that was describing the overall body of information on the topic of gun violence of America. Note that this "study" or "report" did not conduct any science, it only reviewed the work of a vast range of folks - from gun proponents to academic researchers. You have effectively pasted your information from a pro-gun website, who cherrypicked the information that from gun proponents. https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/item/15941-cdc-study-ordered-by-obama-contradicts-white-house-anti-gun-narrative
I recommend you actually read the report and not a pro-gun website.
As is often the case with pro-gun science, the level of honesty isn't always present. Lets un-pack this one statement
"Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million per year, in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008."
Look at the range 500,000 to 3 million - wtf is that?? Second, this information was derived from a rate based on a small phone survey asking if people had defended themselves with a gun, and the rate of positives was similar to the rate that people are positive that they had been abducted by aliens. This is bad science. The best way to weed out bad science is to look at the source. The information comes from a 2001 book by Kleck titled "Armed: New Perspectives on Gun Control." Note that this is a BOOK and not a peer-reviewed academic journal. I could write a book lol.
Lets go ahead read the rest of the paragraph in the CDC report:
"On the other hand, some scholars point to a radically lower estimate of only 108,000 annual defensive uses based on the National Crime Victimization Survey (Cook et al., 1997). The variation in these numbers remains a controversy in the field. The estimate of 3 million defensive uses per year is based on an extrapolation from a small number of responses taken from more than 19 national surveys."
The CDC is indicating that more research is needed. That is all.
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50 minutes ago, GotThatFire said:
You've been holding onto that one
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22 minutes ago, billfromlaketravis said:
But... can he tweet at recruits? Please clarify.
psst. look down at the /s
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1 hour ago, closetojumping said:
I’m heading to his game. I’m going to wear my Notre Dame hoodie and heckle him loudly and aggressively until they throw me out. I need your T’s & P’s, folks.
Please don't do this and don't ever heckle recruits. Whoever is next to jumping please repeatedly punch him in the face.
/s
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29 minutes ago, Hank Scorpio said:On 5/8/2018 at 5:00 PM, Newy25 said:
Is he going to grow up to be a faggot like his father?
I'm going to take it as a good sign that the guy who calls people faggots on the internet doesn't think I'm funny.
I wouldn't sweat it. Sarcasm is most fun when some folks don't get it. You are rather funny although calling someone's dad a faggot is straight epic
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4 minutes ago, Katfid54 said:
You seem like you suck.
I'm not your mom
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1 hour ago, closetojumping said:
Please no one do that. And someone near GW Hayduke, please punch him in the face repeatedly until he passes out.
The girls of surly need to fine tune their sarcasm meter
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1 hour ago, HtownHorn said:
I read it: Nana wants Texas, but parents want ND.
Someone tweet at him and ask if he is a momma’s boy or if he is his own man!
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8 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:
Not accurate -- SDNY is federal. The NY Attorney General is the state. Trump can pardon Cohen for anything the SDNY indicts on. And he will.
Kicking Cohn to SDNY was to address the potential political concern of mueller overstepping his authority, not to avoid the pardon power
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4 minutes ago, Orange^White said:
There will a thousand pages worth of mom jokes and Oscar fucking Giles talk alone.
After we have three d-lineman drafted next year, Mr. Giles is going to come in here and slap everyone with his big black dick. Ask ur mom what that’s like
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4 minutes ago, BigBenBamboozle said:
What did he do to urn that reputation?
Baller is slang for being a good football player.
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Someone just needs to ask Giuliani to explain these payments to Cohen. This is all about campaign finance and since this money didn’t come from the campaign, nothing to see here
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8 minutes ago, futureman said:
tre watson is not that guy. he would be nice depth.
Did you find about his depth from your mom
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8 minutes ago, UT Lawnghorn said:
Lulz. Do you really want to be making this argument when a guy who was our top DL target for the entire class is committed to A&M? Herman shouldn’t wait until the guy is already committed elsewhere to get another coach involved, and Carrington, while great, can only do so much without being able to visit.
If I'm making an argument, I guess it is that I'm just glad that they let other folks help in the recruitment of DL recruits.
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33 minutes ago, satyanash said:
Tom Herman and Oscar Giles continued to work hard on Leal. Meanwhile, Jason Washington, his area recruiter and last year's Big 12 Recruiter of the Year, got more and more involved. On top of that, Texas Recruiting Director Bryan Carrington is only strengthening his relationship with Leal’s mother. The fact that Washington, who saw Leal last week, and Carrington are hard at work in this recruitment gives the Longhorns more than just a puncher’s chance.
I thought we were only allowed to let Giles recruit defensive linemen
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Who's lamborghini is that?
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Putting down Cohen, Manafort, Prince, and Stone would send a healthy message to future campaigns.
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3 minutes ago, babysdaddy said:
what about constant reporting of facts that get corrected?
Correcting errors isn’t propaganda. It is the way honest journalism is supposed to operate
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1 minute ago, Ricky Butler said:
You realize this is an interpretation of reality.
Consciousness is a tragic misstep in our evolution.
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6 minutes ago, Machinator said:
It is with regard to the specific cases of Mehringer and Warehime (more so the latter). If we had done a 1-to-1 replacement of Warehime and Hand, then only the OL would have had to deal with a new coach. Instead, by keeping Warehime, now we have three position groups with new coaches - OL, TE and WR.
Keeping warehime (considering the cards he was dealt last season) maintains more offensive consistency that Herman has stated he wants. Shifting coaches doesn’t result in entirely new faces who aren’t familiar with the offense or the players. The answer to a poorly performing unit isn’t always to fire the coach.
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9 minutes ago, UT Lawnghorn said:
That's exactly what I said. Also, the most obvious option is to use the 10th assistant spot on a second DL coach who can recruit, rather htan wasting 3 spots to coach TEs and WRs. Keeping the dead weight of Mehringer and Warehime is absolutely affecting this team and the "consistency" argument is a joke. They both had their jobs changed over the offseason.
The consistency argument isn’t a joke. It does require an acknowledgment that our oline played poorly, we upgraded our oline coaching, we were decimated by injuries, we started freshmen at RB QB RT TE, we were playing with a new offense, seniors had played under 4 different offenses, and that overhauling offensive staff would further stunt development.
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