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  1. 23 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

    But your proposal was to send no emoluments or Russia articles to the Senate at first, even though we currently know plenty of impeachable offenses that have occurred.  I agree, if new testimony reveals major bombshells, send them over too.

    I personally think they should hit a broad impeachment, but that's not what's going to happen. Pelosi has made it crystal clear that she wants a narrow impeachment, preferably only Ukraine. The only reason that isn't happening is because the Russian and Ukrainian crime sprees are so tightly entwined. To a sense, she's right, if you impeach Trump for everything he's done/doing, you will never get a vote, because he will continue committing crimes until the day he dies. Probably as a corporate entity for a while longer.

    However, that normalizes everything else and lets Mitch pretend this is a political witch hunt, which makes it politically palatable for him to hold a quick vote and wash his hands of it. The only way to guarantee public hearings on this, is for the House to hold them. 

    What I was proposing was a way to do both. It gives Pelosi her narrow and quick impeachment, while not normalizing his actions. It also gives the Senate the ability to end the insanity and national security threats as quickly as possible, should they decide to start pretending to be patriotic adults again for re-election purposes. 

  2. 15 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

    Sure, if he commits new crimes after the articles are drafted.  But you're proposing they repeat the cycle on malfeasance that is already known.  Sorry, that's playing games, and it will backfire.  It will cement the already common idea that this is nothing but a circus.

    Disagree.

    He commits Emoluments violations numerous times every day. That is a current event.

    Trump just sold the Kurds up the river and established conclusively and very publicly that no one should ever trust us long-term as an ally.  Trump let our allies get slaughtered and gave Putin what the Russians have wanted forever, an expanded, secure footprint in the Middle East. That's a current event. 

    The reason I mentioned Russia is because new shit is coming to light. The House is finally finding out that McGahn and Jr. never testified to the Grand Jury and gaining the authority to compel their testimony. As triplehorn has pointed out, Roger Stone's trial is about to begin. 

    Put Trump/GOP shit on blast and keep it there. 

  3. 4 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

    That's a worse idea than Schiff's "paraphrase" of Trump's phone call (which has generated the exact outcome some of us predicted).

    The last thing the Dems need to do is to appear to be playing petty games.  Draft the articles of impeachment, vote, and send it to the Senate.  Done.

    How the fuck is that a game? That's their fucking job. They took an oath and it doesn't have an out clause for the Senate not doing their job.

    Trump keeps committing crimes, keep impeaching him. His behavior has already been normalized FAR more than it should have been. 

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  4. Step 1) Put Trump's shit on blast in the House over Ukraine.

    Step 2) Impeach him.

    Step 3) Send it over to Mitch.

    Step 4) While the Senate is conducting their show trial, put Trump's shit on blast over Turkey/Emoluments/Obstruction of the Russia investigation/Pick any of the others.

    Step 5) Impeach him again.

    Step 6) Send it over to Mitch. 

    Repeat until public outcry forces Mitch's hand or every citizen in the county is aware that the GOP is keeping a criminal in office and every citizen has taken a side. 

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  5. Trump also appears to have stripped, or refused to renew some trade privileges from Ukraine. This hasn't really been covered much, since it's swamped under with the other graft, but seems huge. 

     

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    The White House’s trade representative in late August withdrew a recommendation to restore some of Ukraine’s trade privileges after John Bolton, then-national security adviser, warned him that President Trump probably would oppose any action that benefited the government in Kyiv, according to people briefed on the matter.

     

  6. Joe diGenova and Victoria Toensing are John Solomon's lawyers. In a continued Fox "News" pattern, none of them disclosed this, despite John Solomon repeatedly quoting Toensing. 

    https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/24/ukraine-oligarch-lawyers-joe-digenova-victoria-toensing-056643

     

    They also represent mobster and Manafort associate Dimitry Firtash. 

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-09-23/trump-friendly-lawyers-join-legal-team-of-ukraine-s-firtash

    https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/10/brady-toensing-justice-department/

     

    They were working with Rudy to fabricate "evidence" against Biden. 

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/joe-digenova-and-victoria-toensing-worked-with-rudy-giuliani-to-dig-up-ukraine-dirt-on-joe-biden-report

     

    They've met face to face with Bill Barr while doing all of this. 

    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/firtash-lawyers-digenova-and-toensing-scored-a-rare-face-to-face-meeting-with-barr

     

    Also, in a move that I'm sure is on the up and up and has nothing to do with the criminal in the White House installing the family of his fixers, Toensing's son just joined the Department of Justice Office of Legal Policy. 

    https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/10/brady-toensing-justice-department/

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  7. Three guesses who frequent Fox "News" Guest and Newly Minted Contributor John Solomon has as his lawyers and never disclosed, despite repeatedly quoting them.

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/john-solomon-to-join-fox-news-as-contributor

    Not Rudy Giuliani. 

     

    https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/24/ukraine-oligarch-lawyers-joe-digenova-victoria-toensing-056643

    These assholes again. 

    Conservative legal duo Joe diGenova and Victoria Toensing represent gas tycoon Dmitry Firtash as well as the writer John Solomon.

    Firtash is directly connected to Manafort and the Russian mob. 

     

     

     

  8. 1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

    I am not a member of the GOP and have not been since prior to 2016.  I probably did vote for an odd republican in the last state election.

    I am aware of the allegations that it was stored somewhere different than usual.  I maintain that it's not terribly material.

    I will no longer engage with you because you have a habit of reading into my posts things that are not there because you think you know what my politics are.

    Good day.

     

    I don't really give a shit if you're registered GOP or not. Your posting history is unquestionably right wing and you consistently nibble the corners of anything that's bad for the GOP, while conveying full knowledge of the details of anything involving the left. I'm not reading anything that you haven't clearly shown over and over and I'm far from the only person that's noticed it. 

    You are continuing to display it here. You are either woefully ignorant, while not letting it stop you from repeatedly arguing an issue you are ignorant of, or you are being willfully obtuse. End result is the same either way.  

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  9. 13 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

    I'm not giving anyone any benefit of any doubt.Do you think state conversations are or should be stored on an insecure server?  The internet perhaps?  What IS THE NORMAL WAY?  No one is talking about that.

    You, like many of our right-wing posters, have a curious habit of a near perfect memory for convenient evidence and simultaneous ability to be unaware of basic, but inconvenient, evidence. 

    You must have missed nearly every article written about the whistleblower's allegations and almost all of our discussion. It's literally one of the biggest abuses of power alleged in the whistleblower complaint. I guess you didn't read the coverage, or the whistleblower complaint, or participate on here while it was discussed and you must have inexplicably missed one of the central points of the allegations. 

    It was also widely discussed when Trump released the memorandum you, like the rest of the GOP, continues to disingenuously try to call a "transcript". I guess you missed all of that too.

    The normal way is that these memoranda are prepared and circulated to relevant staff, ambassadors, agencies etc. The abnormal way is that someone in the Trump administration immediately intervened in the aftermath of these calls, illegitimately classified the documents and hid them in a codeword-level server to prevent disclosure of the President's crimes. This, according to literally every reputable article yet published on the matter, is different from how these are normally handled and I should hope the fuck so.  

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2019/10/03/odd-markings-ellipses-fuel-doubts-about-rough-transcript-trumps-ukraine-call/

    The document additionally carries classification markings that Situation Room staffers do not normally add when they create a word-for-word transcript, current and former officials said.

    “I thought to myself, ‘This didn’t go through the normal process,’ ” said one former government official who was among several who handled these records and found the document released by the White House curious.

    The whistleblower said in his complaint that multiple U.S. officials had alerted him that “senior White House officials had intervened to ‘lock down’ all records of the phone call, especially the official word-for-word transcript of the call that was produced — as is customary — by the White House Situation Room. This set of actions underscored to me that White House officials understood the gravity of what had transpired in the call.”

     

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  10. 53 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

    Yep, I find it difficult to believe that they bother eavesdropping on the call in an official capacity without creating both (or at least one of) a recording and a transcript of that recording.

    That they are stored on a very secure server is initially not nefarious at all.  

    And, none of this addresses whether any such recording or transcript has been altered or deleted by the Administration.

    I know you are a lawyer, but you need to stop giving these criminals the benefit of the doubt every time. They've long ago lost any assumptions that they are being truthful and forthcoming. If Trump is talking, he is lying and it's the same for his entire administration and the bulk of the GOP. 

    Trump is abusing his power and selling American interests out for personal and business reasons. There are also transcripts of conversations with Putin and MBS hidden in that codeword sensitive server. Wouldn't surprise me if there are some Erdogan conversations as well. 

    It's nefarious as fuck. The evidence is being hidden by his co-conspirators in a codeword sensitive system rather than being handled in the normal way to prevent discovery of the President's crimes. 

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  11. 1 minute ago, WBT said:

    This is a good point.  Even if this scheme went off without a hitch, how exactly could trump use biden's corruption in a reelection campaign?

    It's already been effective, even having been exposed as a scam. People talking about it leads people to believe there is something there. 40% of Democrats now think we need to have a conversation about Biden and Ukraine. A plurality of American's believe Biden pressured Ukraine. 

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/10/01/ukraine-story-appears-be-hurting-trump-possibly-biden-too/

    That 45-36 split on whether Trump at least applied pressure on Zelensky is actually very similar to the split on whether Biden applied pressure on Ukraine to stop investigating his son — 42 percent to 37 percent. A plurality of Americans say it is “probably” true that Biden “put pressure on Ukrainian officials to get them not to investigate his son’s business dealings there.”

  12. 1 hour ago, jimmyjazz said:

    That article is fuzzy as hell.  I really don't care all that much about the details of how calls are transcribed, but nothing seems to definitively indicate they are recorded or even actively transcribed without human intervention.

    That said, it would be not at all surprising if Trump's administration ran roughshod over prior practice.

    There are other sources saying the same thing. The lack of detail is probably intentional. 

    https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-impeachment-inquiry-09-25-2019/h_059432c46e89de36d5896e31ea08fda3

    A senior White House official says the transcript of the call comes from Voice Recognition Software. There is a disclaimer at the bottom of the document that it is “not a verbatim transcript of a discussion.”

     

    The whistleblower's complaint also says there was a "word-for-word transcript" that was locked away. The whistleblower draws a distinction between the word-for-word transcript and contemporaneous hand-written notes of the conversation. 

    In the days following the phone call, I learned from multiple U.S. officials that senior White House officials had intervened to “lock down” all records of the phone call,especially the official word-for-word transcript of the call that was produced-as is customary-by the White House Situation Room. This set of actions underscored to me that White House officials understood the gravity of what had transpired in the call.

    • White House officials told me that they were “directed” by White House lawyers to remove the electronic transcript from the computer system in which such transcripts are typically stored for coordination, finalization, and distribution to Cabinet-level officials.
    • Instead, the transcript was loaded into a separate electronic system that is otherwise used to store and handle classified information of an especially sensitive nature. One White House official described this act as an abuse of this electronic system because the call did not contain anything remotely sensitive from a national security perspective.

    I do not know whether similar measures were taken to restrict access to other records of the call, such as contemporaneous handwritten notes taken by those who listened in.

  13. 4 minutes ago, Hornmatic said:

     

    Has this been reported anywhere?

    Voice recognition, there's a bunch of other contemporaneous articles saying similar 

    https://fortune.com/2019/09/28/trump-zelensky-call-transcription-voice-recognition-software-secure/

    They also locked transcripts of the calls with Putin and Mohammed bin Salman in the same classified server. 

    https://www.ft.com/content/af2be6c6-e132-11e9-9743-db5a370481bc

    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/10/trump-mbs-putin-calls-also-hidden-incriminating.html

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  14. Nope, you're right HG. They use voice recognition software.

    At one point, there was a full transcript. Trump's enablers hid the full transcript in the high level classified server to keep it hidden. It has probably been deleted now, but the upgraded security of the high level classified security will show who accessed and deleted it. 

    This is the version that looked the best for them and there are two sections with ellipses indicating missing material. The Trump administration has lost any benefit of the doubt. Those ellipses probably contain additional relevant material that they cut out before release. 

  15. Trump/Guliani effort to discredit Biden now shown to involve Ukrainian organized crime leader/oligarch tied to Manafort and Putin. 

    Giuliani was getting "incriminating" information on Biden from Dmitry Firtash.  

    https://time.com/5699201/exclusive-how-a-ukrainian-oligarch-wanted-by-u-s-authorities-helped-giuliani-attack-biden/

    In their effort to discredit President Donald Trump’s perceived enemies, close allies of the President have received key documents and information from a Ukrainian oligarch wanted in the U.S. on corruption charges, according to five people directly involved in this effort and two other people familiar with it.

    The information came from the legal team of Dmitry Firtash, a wealthy industrialist with assets across Europe, who has spent the last five years in Vienna fighting extradition to the U.S. on bribery and racketeering charges. The U.S. Department of Justice said in 2017 he was among the “upper echelon associates of Russian organized crime”—something Firtash vigorously denies, along with all charges against him.

    As part of his legal defense, Firtash’s lawyers have gathered documents that make controversial allegations against former special counsel Robert Mueller and former Vice President Joe Biden. Firtash’s lawyers have passed these documents and other information to associates of Trump’s personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani.

    In his frequent appearances on cable news, Giuliani has presented some of these documents to the American public as evidence for his claims of wrongdoing by Mueller and Biden. The key document is an affidavit from a former Ukrainian prosecutor who accuses Biden of corruption. “The witness I’m relying on,” Giuliani told Fox News on Oct. 6, was the prosecutor Viktor Shokin. “That’s the affidavit I put out,” Giuliani added. He did not mention that the affidavit was obtained by the Firtash legal team. At the beginning of the document, Shokin writes that he is making the statement “at the request of lawyers acting for Dmitry Firtash.”

  16. Turkey is a Nato Ally, but Erdogan is a threat to not just the Middle East, but also to Europe. Erdogan facilitated mass migration of refugees into Europe and provoked a crisis. Erdogan then extorted favorable agreements from the EU in exchange for slowing the problem he was facilitating. He is threatening to do even worse if the EU continues to callout his invasion of Syria. He is an Islamist and a thug. 

    This is win/win/win for Erdogan, Putin and Assad.

    Erdogan gets to rape and kill a bunch of Kurds, while creating a buffer between Kurdish areas in Turkey and Kurdish areas of Turkey. 

    Assad gets the Kurds back under his authority and control, minus the buffer. 

    Putin gets the Kurds permanently severed from the United States and definitively establishes that no ally should trust that the United States will not condemn them to rape and murder depending on the arbitrary decisions of the president. 

    This is a massive unforced geopolitical loss for the United States. 

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  17. Can we all stop with the Fox is going to turn on Trumpism bit now? Rupert, Lachlan, and James Murdoch are no better than Roger Ailes. They are actually worse. Ailes was a whore working for money. The Murdoch's have more money than all of us will spend in our entire lifetimes combined, yet choose to fuck us all over to get even more. 

    I wish there was a Hell for pieces of shit like them, but Hell is empty and all the devils are here. 

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  18. 2 hours ago, GRHorn said:

    The fact that moving even 50 soldiers or whatever this is causes such an uproar, shows you the forces that anybody with a slightly less interventionist stance faces in DC. 

    Fuck you. "Moving even 50 soldiers" means that there are now at least 100 dead United States Allies, all because Donald Trump is a cowardly, selfish, historically ignorant, small fisted shitgibbon. You know full well Trump sacrificed the Kurds because he was bought, pressured or bullied by Erdogan, yet you are still on duty, shamelessly trying to spin Trump's shameful betrayal of our allies. Their blood is on Trump's hands and by extension, dripping all over your keyboard.  

    Whether you are making these posts for a paycheck, or not, you are a terrible human being.  

    https://www.foxnews.com/world/turkey-military-assault-in-syria

     

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  19. Geraldo means it as a compliment, not a reprimand. He tells him, if Nixon had someone like Hannity publicly screaming in his defense, Nixon could have distanced himself and would not have needed to cover-up the burglary. His 'Hannity' would have made sure it didn't matter to Nixon's base and he wouldn't have been impeached. 

  20. 1 hour ago, MaybeACoordinator said:

    So chill and enjoy our front row seats at the awesomest, most richly-deserved mass comeuppance in the history of this wonderful country. The rats are jumping off the ship already. As aggy loves to say, the worm has turned. The hogs are in the tunnel.

     

    Are there 30-50? I've got some kids to warn. Kids can take up to 29 feral hogs, but anything 30+ would overwhelm them. 

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