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	Kaepernick was going to lose his spot anyway. It's already been said by multiple sources inside the 49ers. Him doing what he did was just the nail in the coffin. Not saying that was justified but thats the way it works in business when you are trying to protect your brand. You're right. We should listen to the players opinions and what they have to say and Ive done that. I still disagree with them but I support them. Im not against our players and want them to succeed in football and in life but the idea that I don't agree with them and I think they are kind of being led astray by what the media and their emotions are telling them makes me a bad person is absurd. I have just as much of a right to my opinion as they do and you guys are acting like I don't. Get over your bullshit and start having a meaningful conversation. Because by coming after me like you guys are doing, is only further solidifying my point.
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	Yea my opinion is worth just as much as any human beings. I support these guys and pay a lot of money to university year in and year out so I think my opinion holds a little weight. Im not ignoring what they are saying I just disagree with the notion that it will have any lasting change. Did it bring anybody closer together? Does it draw a light on police brutality? No it just strokes the ego in the fact that I got someone to comply with what I wanted. Im allowed to have an opinion opposing what the kids want and can still support them. You have no room for nuance in your point of thinking. Everything isn't so "Black and White" so to speak. You are just a victim to the narrative. We keep electing the same people hoping for change then get mad when it doesn't. I didn't put into policy that minorities should be treated unequal. But you don't care. You will just champion for anything that your narrative supports because it doesn't require you to think. God forbid someone expressing their mind and give a different opinion.
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	You hear what you want to hear and take what I say out of context. Iv'e explained why I think it won't make a difference long term. You clearly disagree. That doesn't mean Im dismissing them or I don't care what they think. Do you have any idea how to use nuance? It's just my opinion. If you think it's a stupid opinion then that's fine. I really don't care. But that doesn't mean Im dismissive of the players concerns.
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	These in particular, didn't seem to bother them until recently. In the long run ask yourself what is this really going to achieve? I think that's a perfectly reasonable question to ask about this. I think it's perfectly reasonable to criticize it for being trivial. But if they want to tear them down because it will momentarily make them feel better than so be it. I predict it will not have a long lasting effect and something else will be demanded in the near future.
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	I would say you can say "I can hear what you're saying" and still not agree with the demands completely. In a sense you're right. I have no idea what their minds are like. Im sure it even differs amongst them. In the same way, you don't know what my mind or the other posters you mentioned are like 100 percent. I already said earlier I think they will walk away from this thinking they did a good job while not really accomplishing much in the bigger picture. It sets up a weird precedent where every time something happens that's bad you run in with a list of demands on the University to make change even though the University didn't have anything to do with the crime. And if you disagree with the demands then you apparently don't care about the players which is absurd.
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	I feel like a lot of this discussion has been blown out of proportion so to clear up any misconceptions..... 1. I definitely support the kids rights to say whatever they want and talk about the issues with whoever they want and I can understand the frustration with a shitty system that has failed to address the issues with it's lower and working class citizens. However I don't agree that the more outraged or hurt you are correlates to being as justified. 2. We definitely have a real chance to improve our interactions with police if we have an effective discussion about reform. I definitely support everything the guys have said on that front for the most part. There needs to be a change their but it needs a more careful approach than just defunding the police. 3. I really don't care if the players and students want to take down the statues or rename the buildings. It's just not really going to accomplish anything and I don't really think its gonna make anyone feel better but whatever. I think changing the song is asking for a lot. That's where it becomes a witch hunt in my opinion. 4. The idea that if you don''t agree with some of the aspects that are going on makes you a bad person is not the way to handle this. We have a lot of people on this site that are pandering because of a ridiculous sense of white guilt. The implication is that if you don't agree with what the kids want right now then you don't care about them or black lives. This is an absurd notion. So if I don't agree with what they want then I must think the way things are currently are perfect and no need for change. That's also an absurd contention. But this performative "woke" virtue signaling from white people who are taking on sins that were not theirs so as to take the sins of a broader group of people who are not them. Meaning when you a performative woke liberal and they say "Im taking on the sins of my ancestors" really means "Im not taking on the sins of my ancestors all the other white people who don't agree with me are taking on the sins of the ancestors." That's what's troubling. 5. I support these kids in all their future endeavors in football and in life. I hope their experience and the University of Texas is one they look back on with pride and satisfaction. I know I certainly do. Hook Em.
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	I definitely see what you are saying in that its unreasonable to ask someone to pull themselves up by their bootstraps when they are starting so far behind the race that they should just catch up. That's not what I'm advocating for. But to deny that those are the most important real issues facing the community is lunacy in my opinion. If you are talking about the historical circumstances in when LBJ inserted legislation for the war on poverty incentivizing black women to not have a father in the home to receive government money then yea that was fucked up. It incentivizes mothers to have kids out of wedlock and incentivizes fathers to abandon their responsibility. That creates a huge problem and was absolutely put there by a white government. You could say that's racist. I'd say its been the biggest crippler, that and the war on drugs, to the black community since the 60s. But the idea that America is just as racist now as it was then and is still horribly pressed with systemic racism is pure nonsense.
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	Well I guess you just have me all figured out huh? Lol. Sounds like you cherrypicked the data to support your narrative. I guess It just clears it up because they said we don't advocate violence after 5 cops were killed. We should just believe that. And just because the sniper said he had no affiliation with the BLM group doesn't mean he didn't. And just because black lives matter makes a statement saying they don't support that doesn't mean they don't. I guess you would believe David Duke if he said he fully supported black rights. Not saying he did but I'm not saying he didn't either. I have the videos of the blm protest chants that incite violence but I can't figure out how to link them to here. They are out there though. AlI you have to do is type in black lives matter chants. I agree that I was wrong when I said the FBI classified them as a domestic terrorist group. Saw that on a video without properly fact checking it. I will give you one example of and in depth conversation Ive had with friend of mine who is black. He shares the same points of view as me. The only point of contention is he believes if there is an argument for systemic racism it would be how the schooling system works which I don't 100 percent disagree with that either. I'm not like trying to draw a line in the sand and say none of these concerns are valid. I'm saying theres a middle ground between the extremes and those are the people who seem to properly communicate. The idea that you can equate anything Ive said to white supremacy is laughable at best. Get off your moral high ground and please fall on your own sword of self righteousness.
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	Because they only see the low hanging fruit to go after. The bigger problems often get ignored and it turns into a ridiculous race debate to deflect the actual problem that politicians and corporations have been screwing around the American working class for a long time and they want to keep it that way. The best way to do that is to try to racially divide your working class with a narrative that people can pick a side on. Because they know the real power would be a united working class they would be forced to negotiate with. Deflects the shit off you so you can continue to operate your corrupt political game.
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	Then you haven't really read what I said or interpreted it incorrectly. I never said the system doesn't have problems in fact I said we needed to address those but the idea that systemic racism is the biggest problem facing the community I disagree with. Btw you don't speak for all black people. There are plenty of intelligent well spoken black people that agree with me too. What mentalities still exist that is holding you back by in large? And I don't mean the few racist individuals you can bring up. I'm talking about actual legislation or laws that are racist with intent. Show me that and I will agree.
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	Go look at the videos from the protests a few years ago. They have protesters screaming pigs in a blanket fry em like bacon. And What do we want? Dead Cops! When do we want them? Now! For Christ sake the FBI classified them as a domestic terrorist group a few years ago. I was at the protest demonstration in Dallas when the sniper guy (who is unrelated to the movement) started unloading on cops and at that movement they were screaming similar things. At the very least they incite violence.
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	Yea well according to you, anything is morally bankrupt that go's against your opinion on issues like these. Btw who the hell are you to play morality police? Are you trying to say I should pity them so much that I shouldn't share my concerns about this and just go along with whatever they want to do? You are the one who is dehumanizing them saying we should pity them so much that they can't take opposing view. With all due respect, I think/hope our players aren't as pathetic as you. You have way too much white guilt. Get off your moral high ground and actually have a real opinion for once.
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