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  1. I am VERY worried about this man's anti-Semitism
  2. Left Twitter had been trying to get everyone to like Corbyn and care about UK politics, but it was always a fool's errand because people didn't like Jeremy Corbyn. Were his ideas good? Of course Does he have a history of good politics? Yes Is he honest and does he have integrity? Yes Poll after poll after poll for years and years showed him generally unpopular. Even when the Tories were falling apart a year ago, Corbyn was still very unpopular. Johnson, on the other hand, has a personality that people engage with. He's got bad politics and he's a prick, but he's not an irredeemably terrible human on a personal level (like Trump). He's a joke, but he's in on the joke and people like that. The second HUGE factor that made Corbyn's win impossible was his compromised Brexit position. Johnson wants to honor the Brexit vote and leave. In his heart, Corbyn ALSO wants to leave (but for leftist reasons). But he couldn't say that politically, but he also couldn't say "We're staying!" because that would require a referendum. So he was stuck with this "let's have another referendum and I'll just do whatever you guys want" which isn't leadership even if its calculatingly sensible. IMO, he should've just said "we are leaving, and here are the terms I am going to push for as we leave." -- The simple fact that Bernie is Jewish and had no grandparents and lineage growing up because they were murdered by Hitler will shield him from accusations of anti-Semitism somewhat. There is no strange Brexit issue that is dominating the American voters' minds like Brexit rightly dominated the British voters' minds. People actually like Bernie; he's generally very popular.
  3. Donald Trump is going to make a list of Good Jews in America The Right: "It's about time!" The Center: "Unfortunate, but the left has truly pushed us too far."
  4. You know who else finds those words sexist and misogynistic? Cenk Uygur "First of all, I wrote that stuff 19 years ago; I deleted it 15 years ago," Uygur told CNN host Chris Cuomo during an on-set interview. "I deleted it not because I thought I'd get caught or someone would find it, I deleted it because I didn't believe it anymore. This is not me. I was trying to be a stupid, politically incorrect Republican. So I wrote these things I knew were offensive." “The stuff I wrote back then was really insensitive and ignorant,” Uygur said. “If you read that today, what I wrote 18 years ago, and you’re offended by it, you’re 100 percent right. And anyone who is subjected to that material, I apologize to. And I deeply regret having written that stuff when I was a different guy.” O'Reilly, Lauer, and Rose: Rape and sexual assault Ugyur: Edgy moron blog posts Ana Kasparian is someone who loves to give in to men and apologize for creeps. She's very meek. She doesn't disagree or argue with Cenk at all. Subservient all the way.
  5. This is the identity politics center in a Tweet. The only thing that would make it more perfect is if the white woman posting it had a black woman in the gif.
  6. The Bernie anti-Semitism thing is already at a point where he's ~*~*~associated~*~*~ with people that other people have ~*~*~concerns~*~*~ about. - There are no claims that Bernie himself is anti-Semitic. - There are no credible claims that Bernie's staff or surrogates are anti-Semitic. - There are no claims that Bernie's policies are anti-Semitic. So what we're going to see is NYTimes or WaPo saying, "some are claiming that they are concerned about the allegations of anti-Semitics others have made about surrogates of the Bernie Sanders campaign...", basically 3-4 layers deep of opaque ~*~*~ concern ~*~*~. All it take is the first person, no matter how insane, to say, "BERNIE HATES JEWS!" then the corporate press feels allowed to run with, "Is Bernie's campaign anti-Semitic? Some say it might be true!"
  7. fair enough All we can do is push for the best we possibly can.
  8. On this issue, every little hurdle, no matter how well-intentioned, will literally kill people. Every means test will kill people. Every additional bit of paperwork will kill people. Every required pre-authorization phone call will kill people. Every shred of difficulty finding out which doctors are in or out of network will kill people. Americans will die, and for what? "Coverage" is not enough. "Coverage" means basically nothing. Pete's plan still allows for in-network and out-of-network distinctions. That is going to kill people. For what?
  9. If Bernie starts taking the race over (does really well in Iowa and/or NH) then the right-wing will start pushing this and the centrist #RESIST crowd will uncritically pick it up as well. But... 1) Biden is probably going to win so it's kind of academic 2) We absolutely are fucked as a country and species
  10. What's your actual concern about the name? Do you believe it's a network of genocide deniers and anti-Armenian racists? When you're concern trolling against people like this, it's helpful to interrogate your own motivations so you know exactly who you are fighting for. #Cancel is a weapon, why is it being used here? What are you guys worried about happening? Cenk is largely responsible for the establishment of the Justice Democrats, which is the most impressive, inspirational, diverse, and progressive coalition active within mainstream American politics. Look at the Justice Democrats incumbent list, for fuck's sake. So let's just go ahead and get to the point with this. Cenk is kind of a dumbass. He used to be an edgy right-wing dumbass a couple of decades ago. Yes, we know. Is there a concern about Cenk today? Within the last 10 years?
  11. Pete Buttigieg's campaign ran an e-mail scam on black people in South Carolina to lie about their minority support. Keep trying, henry Nope. He was an Armenian genocide denier 20 years ago. (He's very dumb.) He isn't anymore and hasn't been for a long time. I recommend not following Cenk or paying attention to him or watching TYT. You'll get better insight other places and he's annoying personally. But we don't need to lie about him.
  12. “The stuff I wrote back then was really insensitive and ignorant,” Uygur said. “If you read that today, what I wrote 18 years ago, and you’re offended by it, you’re 100 percent right. And anyone who is subjected to that material, I apologize to. And I deeply regret having written that stuff when I was a different guy.” Cenk used to be a transgressive right-winger in the 90s. In the 00s he started moving in a good direction and now he's a yelling meathead for good ideas as opposed to a yelling meathead for bad ideas. Again, I'm not an actual fan of Cenk. I don't watch TYT or care about it at all. I listen to Ana Kasparian sometimes because she's awesome and Hasan Piker sometimes because he's hot. "Hatemonger"? Jesus Christ. The guy made a "gay guys like butt sex" joke in the fucking 1990s and in the last 10 years has done more to advance truly progressive, multi-ethnic, and multi-gender politics than any of the nannying scolds waggling fingers at him. There are ZERO accusations of actual inappropriate behavior from the myriad of women who have worked for and with him. That is the shit that actually matters, not misogynistic jokes from 20+ years ago. Cenk is a dumb meathead. That's not an apology, it's an observation that comes from the reality of watching probably a grand total of 45 minutes of his work. If you can tolerate listening to him, which I usually can't, Ana grills him on this negative stuff ~28 minutes into his own announcement video... He's good. He's fine. He's got the head of a brick but a pretty important piece of motivational knowledge is stuck in that brick head right now and it's going to be far better and more useful than whatever garbage Dem would otherwise run for that seat. If anyone can show me actual human living women who have had bad experiences with Cenk, I'm very happy to listen. Very happy. Because all I'm hearing are very POSITIVE things from the women who have worked with him.
  13. Cenk is an oaf and a meathead who likes to yell. He's harmless. Apologizing or retracting the endorsement is IDIOTIC. 1) Cenk hasn't actually hurt anyone. He's just embarrassing. 2) This only encourages the people who are going to harp on Bernie. Feeding your trolls is a bad idea, and that's all this does. Never apologize unless it is 100% warranted on the merits, never apologize to minimize controversy or satisfy people who cannot be satisfied. Bernie and his campaign need to come out BREATHING FIRE about the anti-semitism accusations. 100% screaming offense. Get out in front and take control of it, because the scum in the middle and the scum on the right are absolutely going to try to make him out to be an anti-semite or a friend to anti-semites. They won't, probably, which profoundly sucks. However, Jeremy Corbyn is not a Bernie analogue. Corbyn has been very unpopular for a very long time. Also, the UK is not a stand-in for America. The UK is an 80+% white nation and it's a garbage island full of ugly goblins who sound like idiots. America is vast, diverse, and beautiful. America is amazing, the UK sucks. The NHS is the only worthwhile British thing and they're going to destroy that and basically become the Irish. Good riddance.
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