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    Texas Jeff

    I thought it might be helpful to have a separate topic related to the vaccine.  If this is too much duplication, mods please delete this thread.  I thought it would be good to talk about who can get the vaccine, where they can get it, what side effects people are seeing, and in general what is going on with distribution.

    The CDC has published vaccine distribution guidelines, and if you care, they are worth reading.  They are dividing the timeline into:

    • Phase 1 - Potentially limited supply of COVID-19 vaccine doses available
    • Phase 2 - Large number of vaccine doses available
    • Phase 3 - Sufficient supply of vaccine doses for entire population

    Who you are will determine if you are eligible for a vaccine in the various phases.

    Phase 1 is divided into a Phase 1a and a Phase 1b:

    • Phase 1a - Mostly healthcare workers
    • Phase 1b - Other essential workers, people with higher risks, people over 65

    If you are eligible to get the vaccine and they have in in stock and you want to get it, it is important to go get it.  Both of the first two vaccines can spoil, so if a dose is sitting there and you aren't there to get it, they might have to throw it away.

    Both vaccines require two shots.  It is important to go get that second shot.

    Who fits in phase 1b and who has to wait until phase 2 might be a sticking point.  The "people in higher risks" category includes a lot of folks, maybe more than you would think might be in that category.  Hopefully we can quickly get to phase 2 so that we don't spend too long arguing about who is or is not in Phase 1b.

    Anyway, I'm interested in everyone's experience with the vaccine and especially getting the word out for those that can go get it, so that every dose ends up in an arm rather than in the trash.

     

     


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    8 hours ago, Thetexashammer said:

    This is a pretty good narrative of what went on inside the White House. Atlas is a Stanford professor, and his arguments are evidence based, not based on emotion or some idiotic manichean understanding of the world.

     

    Atlas is a radiologist. 

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    On 5/30/2024 at 10:35 AM, crash_davis said:

    There's some viral flu/whatever shit going around. I got picked it up last Wed night on a business trip to Pennsylvania. Started with a scratchy throat and sinus. It's been a full week of thick sinus issues, non-stop coughing, fatigue, on and off again fever. Got tested yesterday. Not Covid or flu, doc thinks it is viral. I haven't been this sick since, well, Covid but I was feeling fine after a week with Covid. Not this shit. A week later, still feeling like absolute shit. This motherfucking cough will not go away. Gave it to the wife. She's vaxxed with the latest and greatest. Didn't prevent her from getting this shit.

    Reading the Austin Reddit board, this is going around in Austin. Same symptoms. Some tested positive to Covid, many didn't. The kicker is that the cough lasts 1-2 months. Yay me.

    My wife started to feel pretty janky after we did a loop on the hike & bike trail, nearly 3 weeks ago.  It persisted.  Increasingly worse coughing fits and fatigue, mild fever.  She finally gave in and went to the doc a week ago -- x-ray showed pneumonia.  She's getting better now after antibiotics have started to kick in.

    Don't fuck around with that thing.

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    9 hours ago, Sawbonz said:

    Atlas is a radiologist. 

    They have a much larger depth of medical knowledge than an orthopod, if we're really judging medical opinions solely off specialties.

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    19 minutes ago, Z-Ro said:

    They have a much larger depth of medical knowledge than an orthopod, if we're really judging medical opinions solely off specialties.

    But what about a potato? 

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    18 hours ago, Dahobbs said:

    Here is a decent article on it.

    https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/09/the-anonymous-meta-analysis-thats-convincing-people-to-use-ivermectin/

    As an example, the very first study it cites as a RCT (Chowdhury et al., A Comparative Study on Ivermectin-Doxycycline and Hydroxychloroquine-Azithromycin Therapy on COVID-19 Patients) doesn't actually show or even conclude that Ivermectin is a good treatment. That study compared ivermectin+doxycycline vs HCQ+AZ. It did not have a placebo group. The study itself failed find any statistically significant differences between the two treatment, though it stated the raw numbers favored the ivermectin treatment. Further studies comparing those treatments against a placebo show that neither is effective, which is why there was no statistically significant different between them. Yet, the authors are just throwing in raw numbers from studies like this to say "Ivermectin works."  

    It is by their own reported methodology an exercise in cherry picking. They are generally much more critical of the negative RCT data, and not a peep about the shit ass observational study data. But they just throw that shit into their model. There is far too much heterogeneity in the study designs. There is nothing wrong with a well conducted meta analysis. When executed properly they can provide the highest grade of medical evidence. But when you throw a bunch of garbage at it, you will get garbage out. There is certainly a reason thec19ivm.com analysis has not been published in a reputable peer reviewed medical journal. 

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    1 hour ago, Z-Ro said:

    They have a much larger depth of medical knowledge than an orthopod, if we're really judging medical opinions solely off specialties.

     

    41 minutes ago, immamac said:

    But what about a potato? 

     

    Can we skip to the end and ban him now? Or do we have to go through the trouble (about once a month for several years now) to crowdsource him?

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    20 hours ago, Thetexashammer said:

    Fauci is responsible for more deaths outside of the folks who actually leaked the virus. He is a narcissistic demon who if there is any justice will burn in hell.

    More broadly, he and the public health establishment writ large lied about everything.

    They lied about masks.

    They lied about Ivermectin.

    They lied when they said the vaccine would prevent infection.

    They lied in order to close schools. (We had good evidence it was not necessary.) 

    They lied about the 6ft distancing. (No evidence)

    They lied about taking millions from Big Pharma. (260 NIAID scientists took $690 million in royalties from Big Pharma between 2021 and 2023. That's more than $3 million per scientist.)

    They lied about the origin of the virus.

    They signed a letter saying if you protested for BLM you would be safe, but if you gathered for MAGA you would transmit the virus.

    They lied about natural immunity.

    They lied about vaccine side effects. 

    They lied to make kids take a vaccine for a virus to which they were immune.

     

    You cannot just lie about every fucking thing you say, then turn around and say "trust us". There is documented evidence of the huge harm caused by their "advice", especially to kids. But the most damage they did was to convince people not to take the vaccine because they could not be trusted but rather are inveterate liars dispossessed of any conscience whatsoever. If there is another pandemic, there will be mass refusals to take any vaccine, despite any evidence. There is no trust, and their shouldn't be.

    I am vaccinated, and obviously very pro vaccine, because I read the studies. But science requires the confidence of the public, and the public health establishment could not have done a worse job. 

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    1 hour ago, Z-Ro said:

    They have a much larger depth of medical knowledge than an orthopod, if we're really judging medical opinions solely off specialties.

    I’m not giving a medical opinion. I’m giving my personal opinion that if you are taking advice on a novel virus from anyone other than an infectious disease specialist, you’re a fucking idiot.

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    2 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

    I’m not giving a medical opinion. I’m giving my personal opinion that if you are taking advice on a novel virus from anyone other than an infectious disease specialist, you’re a fucking idiot.

    You obviously haven't dOnE tHE rESeaRcH!!!!!

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    3 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

    You obviously haven't dOnE tHE rESeaRcH!!!!!

    If you do so, you become your own infectious disease specialist!

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    1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:

    You obviously haven't dOnE tHE rESeaRcH!!!!!

    You know it’s funny. I was very intrigued by ivermectin when it first came out, and I looked at some of the basic science papers regarding its reported mechanism of action. In vitro it prevents coronavirus (presumably including Covid 19) particles from entering the nucleus of host cells, rendering the virus harmless. It’s possible the concentration of ivermectin needed to achieve this effect in vitro cannot be achieved in vivo with nontoxic doses. In any case, As soon as quality studies started coming out all of the serious people abandoned the treatment. 

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    21 hours ago, Thetexashammer said:

    Fauci is responsible for more deaths outside of the folks who actually leaked the virus. He is a narcissistic demon who if there is any justice will burn in hell.

    More broadly, he and the public health establishment writ large lied about everything.

    They lied about masks.

    They lied about Ivermectin.

    They lied when they said the vaccine would prevent infection.

    They lied in order to close schools. (We had good evidence it was not necessary.) 

    They lied about the 6ft distancing. (No evidence)

    They lied about taking millions from Big Pharma. (260 NIAID scientists took $690 million in royalties from Big Pharma between 2021 and 2023. That's more than $3 million per scientist.)

    They lied about the origin of the virus.

    They signed a letter saying if you protested for BLM you would be safe, but if you gathered for MAGA you would transmit the virus.

    They lied about natural immunity.

    They lied about vaccine side effects. 

    They lied to make kids take a vaccine for a virus to which they were immune.

     

    You cannot just lie about every fucking thing you say, then turn around and say "trust us". There is documented evidence of the huge harm caused by their "advice", especially to kids. But the most damage they did was to convince people not to take the vaccine because they could not be trusted but rather are inveterate liars dispossessed of any conscience whatsoever. If there is another pandemic, there will be mass refusals to take any vaccine, despite any evidence. There is no trust, and their shouldn't be.

    I am vaccinated, and obviously very pro vaccine, because I read the studies. But science requires the confidence of the public, and the public health establishment could not have done a worse job. 

    You are a stupid fuck.

    It's my duty to call out you dumb fucks for what you are: morons brainwashed by propaganda.

     

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    On 6/5/2024 at 3:01 PM, Thetexashammer said:

    Fauci is responsible for more deaths outside of the folks who actually leaked the virus. He is a narcissistic demon who if there is any justice will burn in hell.

    More broadly, he and the public health establishment writ large lied about everything.

    They lied about masks.

    They lied about Ivermectin.

    They lied when they said the vaccine would prevent infection.

    They lied in order to close schools. (We had good evidence it was not necessary.) 

    They lied about the 6ft distancing. (No evidence)

    They lied about taking millions from Big Pharma. (260 NIAID scientists took $690 million in royalties from Big Pharma between 2021 and 2023. That's more than $3 million per scientist.)

    They lied about the origin of the virus.

    They signed a letter saying if you protested for BLM you would be safe, but if you gathered for MAGA you would transmit the virus.

    They lied about natural immunity.

    They lied about vaccine side effects. 

    They lied to make kids take a vaccine for a virus to which they were immune.

     

    You cannot just lie about every fucking thing you say, then turn around and say "trust us". There is documented evidence of the huge harm caused by their "advice", especially to kids. But the most damage they did was to convince people not to take the vaccine because they could not be trusted but rather are inveterate liars dispossessed of any conscience whatsoever. If there is another pandemic, there will be mass refusals to take any vaccine, despite any evidence. There is no trust, and their shouldn't be.

    I am vaccinated, and obviously very pro vaccine, because I read the studies. But science requires the confidence of the public, and the public health establishment could not have done a worse job. 

    This post was bad 4 years ago. It's even worse now. 

    I would say you are better than this, but I don't actually believe that anymore. This is some serious brain rot you need to address. 

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    The thing is, there is plenty to rightfully point wrt to the covid response that was erroneous. Some that was quite clear as it played out in real time, some that is just fucking ridiculous in hindsight, and some that we should be thinking about in the future.

    The .gov vaccine mandates were a totally predictable and counterproductive disaster. Ramifications will play out in the long term and with unrelated vaccines. 

    The vaccine recs wrt to young children was and continues to be totally divorced from evidence based medicine. I vaccinated all three of my kids. In hindsight, I wish we didn't tbh.

    People losing their basic biological sciences grounding over natural immunity was a thing. 

    The suppression of the lab leak talk was totally politically motivated, and Fauci was all up in that shit. Follow the DOD money. Lab origin is like 80/20 at this point, and that might be generous. 

     Everyone wanted to find the magic bullet early on. Unfortunately the antiparasitics did not shake out. The cult following that persists I guess even to this day was a brain damaged clique. See @triplehorn.

    The school shutdowns were reasonable at first in spring 2020, but fraught in the context of long term outcomes, and it became clear early in the fall that energy was better spent elsewhere.

    Texas Hammer is not directionally wrong across the board. But he is a dumbass. 

     

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