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  1. Could probably find news information on a news site. Message boards are for discussion 
    There's a clear precedent: DT is for news, CR is for discussion. This event isn't producing updates as fast paced as Gaza or Ukraine but it's bringing the hot takes out of CR at the same rate.

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  2. just read this vanity fair article on cosmo jarvis and it makes sense now. 

     

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    The finale opens on a disturbing vision of the future, with Jarvis in elaborate old-age makeup as Blackthorne regretfully contemplates a life of ravaging the Japanese land, as his initial plan had dictated. The scene takes on a hue that is more nightmarish fear than literal flash-forward, though: The series ends on Blackthorne aligned, if a bit uneasily, with the man who captured him back when this series began. Blackthorne’s story in Shōgun has been one of letting go of his cold-hearted mission, of embracing a place he expected to use for his own gain. It’s that complex inner conflict that you sense Jarvis will miss the most.

     

  3. 10 minutes ago, billfromlaketravis said:

    Thanks for clearing that up on Blackthorne marrying Kiku. Fuji tells the boss to not allow the Anjin to marry a courtesan, and suggests Midori (spelling?),  wife. Fuji also alludes to Mariko suggesting Midori for Anjin-son’s wife before her death. 

    The boss was seriously considering Omi divorce his wife and give her to the Anjin in the final chapter. I think there’s a brief allusion to Blackthorne marrying, but I didn’t pick up a definitive marriage to Kiku. 

    the details are fuzzy to me but as i remember it omi does divorce his wife who is then give to anjin as a wife and kiku is given by toranaga to anjin as a consort.  did that actually happen?

  4. 17 minutes ago, HornOnTheBayou said:

    I'm really surprised by how many people loved the finale. I thought it was really rushed. I understand the problem of trying to cram this story into ten episodes, but it really distracted from the ending. Overall, still an incredible series and one I will definitely re-watch a couple of times.

    i think it speaks more to how rushed of an ending the book was.  i didn't like the book ending.  

     

    another difference between the book and this show is yabu's character.  i remember him being more sinister in the book but the way he was played here makes him a lovable goofball with an unfortunate bent toward self preservation in a culture that expects loyalty to the point of death.  i think i like this portrayal more- he's almost a touchstone to modern sensibilities.

  5. 24 minutes ago, locodos said:

    Wondered about that...

    Really?  It's been a long long time since I read the book.

     

    5 minutes ago, billfromlaketravis said:

    Books: I believe Toranaga states in his inner monologue that he’s going to continue to burn Blackthrone’s ships as long as he needs to the Christian regents, and that he won’t be allowed to leave. 

    yes, toranaga says he'll never let blackthorne leave. he'll keep destroying his ships.

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  6. 2 minutes ago, locodos said:

     

    It shows the audience that he in fact does leave Japan and Toranaga's velvet cage.

    but he doesn't and we know that dream sequence is just a hallucination b/c he sends mariko's rosary to the bottom of the lake with fuji. 

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  7. 1 hour ago, Buzzrock said:

    Was the village spy related to Mariko? It sounded like they had the same name. 

    not related.  akechi mariko, tonomoto akinao.  

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  8. I’ve already gotten far enough away from the book that the fx series encourages doubt on my interpretation of things, but I took away (from the book, mind you) that Toranaga saw Mariko and Anjin as subordinates but capable of understanding him and his plans, basically how he saw the world.  Everyone else was held captive to tradition and custom.  
     
    He’s not amused by Anjin, rather he appreciates his insight, his expertise as a navigator, and because he’s a foreigner (and not welcome anywhere in Japan), he’s basically the only person he can have a heart to heart with and not feel like it’s at risk of being used against him.  Plus, he knows about Mariko’s affection for him and that’s confirmation of his judgment.
     
    The book doesn’t make him a heel; he’s the only one capable of imposing order in Japan and he’s willing to sacrifice his loyalists if it furthers that goal.  In the book’s world he’s just holding Mariko back from dying so that her death can serve a greater purpose and she seems to understand this.  
     
    I don’t recall a bargain with the Portuguese to burn the boat (I may just be misremembering it), rather, he burned it because Anjin’s friendship was important to him and it was the only way to keep him from leaving (in the subtle, Japanese elite way of navigating conflict). 
    Good thoughts.

    In the book I believe the trade Mariko makes with the church is anjin's life in exchange for her knowledge of toranaga's plans, which includes burning the boat which is why she leaves him money in her will from her estates to rebuild.
  9. 4 minutes ago, F250 said:

    Yeah, I got that hence the WTF reaction. Up until that point all of his pawn sacrifices were wrapped up in Japanes duty and fate bullshit. It wasn't until that scene that he revealed he did it for the lulz.

    Toranaga: "I'm going to start chopping heads off to test Anjin. Also, Anjin doesn't serve any value but I find him amusing." Fucking psycho.

    there's a scene in the book and in the 80s tv show where toranaga gets anjin to dance and sing a sea shanty for him during dinner.  it's an absurd scene but that's what came to mind when toranaga said he makes me laugh.  he's his trained monkey.

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  10. 27 minutes ago, F250 said:

    Was I the only one like this after hearing Toranaga's explanation of testing Anjin by torturing the villagers?

    that was the point. it's supposed to be a reveal, a heel turn for toranaga.  he's a narcissist who sacrificed his son, hiromatsu, and mariko, amongst all those villagers and samurai just so he could become shogun.  he was the bad guy all along, just as bad as, if not worse than, ishido.  

    4 minutes ago, NotActuallyALonghorn said:

    So we're gonna have to wait like what, two years for the next season?

    no it's done.  it's part of an epic saga but clavell's other books are set a couple hundred years later. 

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