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  1. 54 minutes ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

    I have zero problem saying Christians are pieces of shit the world over; glad you agree that you and your ilk are a problem worldwide. 

    So your belief is that non-believers in Europe, the USA and the rest of the world are better human beings than believers in Christ?

  2. In this thread I’m learning I’m a terrible Christian because I believe the Bible is true and I’d be a better one for ignoring the parts that do not conform to society. I know what the Old and New Testament say about homosexual sex.  I know that Jesus said marriage is between and man and a woman.  
     

    I get there can be disagreements over interpretations.  I admin that maybe I am wrong about mine.  Maybe Jesus didn’t mean to exclude same sex marriage when he discussed marriage.  Do any of you have the humility to think that just maybe you’re interpretations are wrong?   This question is only for believers.  Doesn’t apply to the atheists and agnostics because as non-believers you don’t have any skin in the game on whether the scriptures are true.  You don’t believe in them.  
     

    some of my fellow Christians seem confident homosexual sex isn’t a sin and and same sex marriages are scriptural.  I don’t see given what God’s word says and doesn’t say on these issues where you get that confidence.  If you’re wrong you may be harming others and the Kingdom by not professing truth. 
     

    For the record I’m not 100 percent confident on the issue.  I’m not God.  But based upon what scriptures we have, I can’t really take a contrary position.  I think a contrary position is scripturally baseless.  

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  3. 5 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

    Perhaps you missed the part where I concluded "fuck it, all of 'em manage to be pretty shitty":

    But please, do continue.

    Not sure the ones who make policy and despise browns and blacks in Europe are all Christians. Lots of atheists and agnostics over there. Lots of just cultural Christians

     

    You paint with a very large brush against a lot of people.  There are very many wonderful American Christians.  I think Americans are no different than any others. We do a lot of good in the world.  Including subsidizing European defense and medical r&d they get a free ride on

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  4. 44 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

    No "seems" about it.  I dislike any group of people who make a concerted effort to hurt others.  I despise it even more when they do so in the name of "doing good/following the Gospels."  Cruel hypocrisy gets my dander up.

    Much of (not all) of western europe does a better job of not pursuing cruel Dominionist theology in their policies.

    But.....if what you're getting at is "being a shitty Christian is not isolated to the US," I'll give you an amen for that one.  Lots of people being cruel and mean to others "in the name of the Lord" all over.

    So, maybe my anger is inappropriately focused on my home country.  Thanks for helping to broaden my thinking.  I loathe hypocritical, cruel "Christians" wherever they may be found.

    Those Western European countries you idolize certainly love and welcome in brown and blacks.  You can tell it by their very welcoming immigration policies.  And how they kindly give bananas to black soccer players.  So nice of them to feed those hungry players during games.  Shame on Americans for not following their lead.  

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  5. 57 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

    FIF American Christians.  You don't have to break a sweat to tell the queers they are inferior and should be harassed and shunned.....you just enlist the government to do your theological work for you. It's really super-convenient.

    Why go through all the trouble of burning heretics when you can just enlist The State to do it for you?

    You seem to really despise American Christians.

    Is it your position that Christians in other countries are better?  If so, which countries have better Christians than the USA?

    Or is it that Americans of other faiths or no faith are better than Americans of the Christian faith?

    It's amazing you are such a repository of information.  Very impressive.

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  6. 30 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

    yet you've singled them out in a thread about...christ. why?

    you tacitly or overtly approve of all kinds of sins every single day.

    i also find it curious that you find gays in media somehow overrepresented. people like you were throwing a fit when the flintstones or mary kay and johnny put a married couple in the same fucking bed together.

    sins change. jesus himself proved it. how we treat the sinful changed with jesus. 

    so, poe, how would you treat a sinner? if your clever answer remains "same as everyone else," that will tell me all i need to know about your intellectual curiosity, and also implies that you treat everyone the same, which you do not. or do you?

    the lost, huh?

    you're the guy that gets wasted and hateful on the political board from time to time, right? and hey, i ain't judging, i do too.

    how do you measure sin, johnny? i'm genuinely curious.

    they really reveal themselves when they speak in code to each other. they think of it as an ichthus symbol, but it's more of a scarlet asshole.

    I quit drinking for good some time ago.  Been the best thing ever for me physically, spiritually, and professionally. But yes I have posted things I regret in that forum.

  7. 1 minute ago, Poe It Up said:

    We’re all sinners, so I would treat them the same as everyone else. I’m not going to approve of their sin just as I wouldn’t my own. Their issue is with God, not me. 

    Yep. My thoughts exactly.  I’m not going to spend more time arguing with the lost over it.  It isn’t productive.  

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  8. 3 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

    First, the Bible is not a first hand source.  The Gospels were actually written well after the deaths of the people that allegedly wrote them.  Later books, like Paul's letters to the Romans, the Corinthians, etc... actually have multiple voices, which indicate multiple authors, and they were influenced by the society around them.

    Second, the church made a decision back in the 4th or 5th Century about what would be in the bible and what would be out.

    Third, and what a lot of people forget, is that Jesus taught love, forgiveness, and treating everyone with respect and dignity.  Most "Christians" in America have completely lost that point, as is evidenced by the rantings of Johnny, Poe, and the village idiot.

    You talk about kindness and love.  And then insult.  Something you do almost as frequently as your carpet bomb negs, which -- and I must admit I admire your dedication to -- are amusing at least.

    Are you a believer with a daily walk with Christ?

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  9. 4 minutes ago, trauma babe said:

    Weird how being a homo is a bigger deal than adultery, blasphemy, and most of the other commandments, when being a homo is only commented on a couple of times throughout the book, and the translations of those verses can dramatically change the meaning of the text.

    "Love the sinner, hate the sin" is impossible when it comes to something like homosexuality, which is an inherent and inescapable part of a person's being. All you end up with following that route are churches like Johnny's, which are gross and a discredit to the radical love Jesus preached

    It's not worse.  Anyone who says so is lying. 

    The issue is homosexual sex -- like any other sex outside of marriage between a man and a woman -- is a sin some churches condone and preach that it is okay to deliberately commit unrepentantly.  No one does that with other sins, to my knowledge.  If they do, they are just as wrong in engaging in heresy.

    Just as I expected.

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  10. 1 hour ago, Captainant said:

    Sounds like someone could do with a reread of Matthew 6.

    Although it is a little on the nose for a clergyman, a deacon, taking on the role of the pharisee in Jesus' parable - proudly touting his charitable giving as a shield against criticism for his actions and words, and drawing loads of attention to how much effort he puts in to his church time so that he can discount people who don't pass his purity test. 

    Keep on doing your thing, the Christian faith is definitely doing great heading in that direction. 

    You're just playing games.  Clearly you are not a believer and you just want to argue and attempt little gotchas.  Atheist or agnostic?  Usually you guys are like vegans or crossfitters with your willingness to proclaim your disbelief.  I guess you can't do that and continue this little game.

    I am certainly imperfect and will be judged some day.  I also have posted plenty of unkind and un-Christian things on this board and regret that.  I am trying to do better. Luckily my sins are nailed to the cross and I am doing my best to walk with Christ.  

    God uses all sorts of imperfect people to advance his kingdom.  The scriptures are full of them.  David -- who the Bible teaches was a "man after God's own heart" -- was a murderer and adulterer.

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  11. 2 minutes ago, Armybrat said:

    I believe the word of God in the Bible has been corrupted by generations of men far removed from the times of Jesus & Moses.
    Undoubtedly to fit cultural agendas of tribal societies.

    I’ll bet those two would be appalled at much of today’s interpretation.

    Which of today’s interpretations, specially, do you believe are wrong?  Or is this just some general platitude?

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  12. 5 minutes ago, Captainant said:

    My faith is between me and god and is of no concern towards the greater evangelical movement to demonize, "other", and directly attack LGBT people in the name of Jesus' love.

    You just answered.  No follower of Christ would be ashamed to admit it.  I suspected you were an anti-Christian non-believer who just wants to argue.  

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  13. 58 minutes ago, Captainant said:

    I know that you "don't know any gay people in your town", but it's pretty often that evangelicals mix that up and just hate both. It's fucking wild the moral panic I've heard and read and seen here on Surly and IRL about gay folks and "grooming" and every possible awful thing you could say about a person. 

    It's a nice empty statement for you to uncritically defend yourself and your hate with, but means about as much as "thoughts and prayers" did in Uvalde. 

    Are you a believer and follower of Christ?

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  14. 5 hours ago, aggie08 said:

    And if they decide, "You know what, it's our lives, and we can decide what God wants for us," and get married because they don't believe that who they are is a sin...everything going to be hunky dory on Sunday?

    If there's a heaven, one of two things is going to happen to you when you die:

    1) Jesus is going up meet you at the gates and say, "Thank you, Johnny, for taking the Bible so literally [well, as you interpret it] and treating those homos and queers as sinners and less than. It's important that they know their place." That's a heaven that I want no part of, but it seems like it may be your cup of tea.

    2) Jesus will say, "What the fuck is wrong with you? How could you misconstrue my teachings so completely? You think I wanted you to judge God's children as sinners and stand in their way for something as trivial and inconsequential as who they lay with?"

    You ignored my question on whether you’re a believer and took the time to delete my question from my post you quoted.  Why did you do that?  Why are you avoiding that simple question?

    i answered your question. You didn’t answer mine.  

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  15. 6 hours ago, bolverk said:

    God is gonna spit you out. I was raised in the Southern Baptist tradition and, therefore, understand the hell fire of that faith.

     

    Are you a believer?  Do you have a daily walk with Christ?

    If so, I’d caution and admonish you on judging others.  
     

    I don’t deserve salvation at all.  I’m a wretched sinner.  But I have it by God’s grace and through his son Jesus.  

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  16. 4 hours ago, aggie08 said:

    And if they decide, "You know what, it's our lives, and we can decide what God wants for us," and get married because they don't believe that who they are is a sin...everything going to be hunky dory on Sunday?

    If there's a heaven, one of two things is going to happen to you when you die:

    1) Jesus is going up meet you at the gates and say, "Thank you, Johnny, for taking the Bible so literally [well, as you interpret it] and treating those homos and queers as sinners and less than. It's important that they know their place." That's a heaven that I want no part of, but it seems like it may be your cup of tea.

    2) Jesus will say, "What the fuck is wrong with you? How could you misconstrue my teachings so completely? You think I wanted you to judge God's children as sinners and stand in their way for something as trivial and inconsequential as who they lay with?"

    “If there’s a heaven”? You don’t sound like you are a believer.  If that’s the case, why do you care what I think the Bible teaches about the subject?  Or that I have the audacity to believe gay marriage isn’t Biblical.  I certainly don’t have any issue with gay marriage outside of my church.  I’ve supported the legal right for gays to be married in the USA basically my entire adult life.  
     

    I am not judging anyone.  It’s not my business.  Only God gets to judge his children. Other than responding to posts on surly, I spend no energy on the subject of homosexuality and the Bible.  Of the thousands of sermons and Bible studies I’ve listened to or participated in, the subject just does not come up.
     

    I don’t understand why God’s word says what it does about homosexuality.  It’s not for me to question. His ways are not mine.  But I know what the Bible does say.  And I won’t be involved in a church that contradicts biblical truth just so it can conform to the current world culture.  Not going to happen.  Other people can do what they want in their churches.  Doesn’t affect me, my wife, or my children.  

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  17. 10 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:


    Because it’s not about faith. It’s about power, and using faith to assert it, almost exclusively over those weaker and marginalized.

    Wrong. It’s never even discussed.  It’s just something we don’t do.  I also didn’t bring it up here.  
     

    And gays in America are hardly weaker or marginalized.  Pretty sure they on average have higher incomes and net worths than straights do.  

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  18. 11 minutes ago, CTC2 said:
    2 hours ago, aggie08 said:

    Fuck all the way off. "Welcoming" gay people, so long as they acknowledge that they're living in sin just like murderers and thieves isn't welcoming gay people. You disingenuous piece of shit.

    Weird how I haven't gotten an answer to this one.

    We have several gays that I know of.  They know they cannot get married in our church as we believe it’s not biblical and a sin.  No one is forced acknowledge anything to be welcome in church.  So another straw man denied.  
     

    Others are free to disagree.  Isn’t my problem.  It’s between them and God.  
     

    Are you a believer?  Have you accepted Jesus Christ as your savior? Do you have a daily walk with Christ?

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  19. 5 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

    "You're welcome at our Church...so long as you knock off all that marriage and equal rights talk, and you admit that your sexuality is a sin" is the same as saying they're not welcome at your Church. But you know that.

    Nope.  Don't agree at all.

    All sinners are welcome at church.

    The church should teach the Bible and Biblical truths -- that homosexual sex is a sin.  No different than any other sin. 

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