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  1. https://apnews.com/article/trump-voters-face-biden-victory-ced7bebdfebdeb63e545704d652daf85

    “The votes didn’t reflect that amount of enthusiasm. I just find that very surprising,” she said. ”It makes me wonder.”

    “It just seems to me that there’s a lot of things that can be improved in the system so that people felt more confident,” she said.

     

    In addition to having Mississippi  secede from the union, here is another thing I agree with the MAGA crowd about.  There are definitely things we should to improve the election system so that it more accurately represents the level of enthusiasm of the population and people can feel more confident in it.  Nothing would do this better than getting rid of the EC.   

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  2. 39 minutes ago, Enchubben said:

    @Foosters @Serak The PreparerHere are some links for you that show this is not fiction:

    https://www.factcheck.org/2018/06/did-the-obama-administration-separate-families/

    https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-10-27/presidential-immigration-debate-fact-check-and-who-built-the-cages

    Are you suggesting that we should not prosecute people for crossing the border illegally? Or are you suggesting we jail children while the parents await trial etc? 

    From the fact check link that you posted:

    In defending its “zero tolerance” border policy that has caused the separation of families, the Trump administration has argued that the Obama and Bush administrations did this too. That’s misleading. Experts say there were some separations under previous administrations, but no blanket policy to prosecute parents and, therefore, separate them from their children.

    “Previous administrations used family detention facilities, allowing the whole family to stay together while awaiting their deportation case in immigration court, or alternatives to detention, which required families to be tracked but released from custody to await their court date,” Brown and her co-author, Tim O’Shea, wrote in an explainer piece for the Bipartisan Policy Center’s website. “Some children may have been separated from the adults they entered with, in cases where the family relationship could not be established, child trafficking was suspected, or there were not sufficient family detention facilities available. … However, the zero-tolerance policy is the first time that a policy resulting in separation is being applied across the board.”

    Jeh Johnson, DHS secretary under the Obama administration, told NPR earlier this month that he couldn’t say that family separations “never happened” during his tenure. “There may have been some exigent situation, some emergency. There may have been some doubt about whether the adult accompanying the child was in fact the parent of the child. I can’t say it never happened but not as a matter of policy or practice. It’s not something that I could ask our Border Patrol or our immigration enforcement personnel to do,” Johnson said. 

     

    So in summary, did it ever happen under Obama?  Yes, under rare circumstances where there was no other viable options.  Is this the same as what the Trump administration was doing?  No,  and to imply otherwise is dishonest.

     

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  3. 41 minutes ago, immamac said:

    in other words though: 

    Gritty is Coming on Twitter: "… "

    As an aside, this phrase is the most wonderful re-discovery to our lexicon in a while.  Yes I had heard the phrase before, but before surly highlighted it, I had no idea how versatile it was.  I find myself using repeatedly throughout the day in a multitude of situations.  Kids becoming disrespectful or ignoring my requests?  "FAAFO!".   Social situation and someone says something stupid?  "FAAFO"!  Even at work, it has become my silent response to almost every question asked (although I change the phrasing a bit).

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  4. 2 hours ago, Hiphopopotamos said:

    Everything must go!

     

    Surly patrons should chip in and buy this.  Think how much we could charge to take trumpkins for a 15 min ride around Mar largo.  Also, the savings for flying gametime banners basically pays for itself.

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  5. 8 hours ago, used2b said:

    The most personal impact for me is that my 3 tween/teen boys don't have this example of an American president anymore.

    This is an important point.  Trump was amazingly popular with teenage boys cause he has the same mentality.  My previously respectful teenage son and his friends have become turds and spout trumpy one-liners as justification to put down others, especially their sisters.  I don’t think they are being serious, but it takes a toll and seeing the leader of the country act this way definitely leaves an impression on young boys.

    For me, Biden winning means that I look forward to causally, and occasionally lurking this forum like before.  That being said, none of us can go back to being politically unengaged.  That is how this shit started.

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