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  1. 4 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

    The same WSU that is like 75-100 million in athletic debt and are having to have massive budget cuts to survive?

    Well, the alternative is the Pac disintegrates and they make even less money.

  2. 21 minutes ago, billfromlaketravis said:

    So here we are. ESPN won’t pay additional money for Texas and OU, and they won’t pay for a 9th conference game. 
     

    ESPN absolutely paid for Texas and OU, just not in the way you think. They had to pay Fox. Fox has Big 12 rights and we’re losing their two biggest bell cows. They got compensated for that by ESPN, with money and additional inventory. I don’t think the exact amount was ever made public though.

    Theres no such problem for these departing PAC-12 schools though, because the Pac doesn’t have a tv deal. So any network money spent can just go the the conference/schools. 

  3. Nebraska didn’t get a full share until their 7th year in the conference. Rutgers and Maryland didn’t get it until their 8th. USC and UCLA are getting full shares immediately. So that tells you how much the Big 10 wanted each school.

    Washington and Oregon are desperate and have no leverage because they don’t really want to go to the Big 12 and the Big 10 is kind of lukewarm on them anyways. They aren’t going to get full shares for a while.

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  4. 2 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

    maybe Duncanville said "Listen, we'd prefer you announce this stuff ASAP" and they decided to do it together as a school announcement thing ahead of the season. 

    This would be my hope. I know Duncanville would like their guys to announce before the season and that would make the Durham and Simmons announcements make sense even if they weren’t going to the same school.

    But if it’s not a Duncanville thing, then it’s hard for me to find another way to spin it.
     

    13 minutes ago, Elmer_Fudd said:

     

    Now that’s an interesting twist.

  5. The handwringing over the Umeozulu brothers is so dumb to me. They barely even talk, most of the drama surrounding them is created by this board.

    Zina is not a recruitment you should spend any time handwringing about, he will commit to us in the fall or he won’t. He’s not a must get and given what we know about the parents he’s not going to decommit and commit a bunch of times or do a bunch of outlandish stuff. There’s not much to even discuss.

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  6. 9 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

    They don’t want a failed Pac 10, 

    Why not? 

     

    1 minute ago, 'stache said:

    I'll never understand being against another team joining a conference because of recruiting competition. Especially from bluebloods. Comes off as super weak. 

    It’s definitely weak, but that’s what’s been reported.

  7. If I’m Oregon, I’m making the move to the Big 12. The Big 10 is clearly waiting for the ACC to destabilize, those are the targets they really want. (I’m including ND in this)
     

    And USC will do everything in their power to stop Oregon from getting in. When you see reports about USC not wanting other west coast teams in because of recruiting challenges, they are specifically talking about Oregon, that’s by far their biggest west coast threat.

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  8. 1 minute ago, mdmost said:

    No, they took Colorado because they're trying to destroy the Pac 12 so they can grab the better Pac 12 teams. I don't think they want UConn if they can get better teams out West. 

    Sure, but the point is there are considerations beyond good football matchups. And those other considerations aren’t in Utah’s favor.

  9. 1 minute ago, mdmost said:

    Football is king. You get a much better rivalry game with BYU than anything Arizona can offer.

    If this were just about good football matchups then they wouldn’t have taken Colorado, and they sure as hell wouldn’t be contemplating UConn.

    Money wise, it’s better to get into the Arizona market than take a second team from Utah.

  10. 15 minutes ago, Al_4_ISU said:

    Maybe better.  I’m just saying the blue bloods are almost fully consolidated.  ND is the last one out there, with Clemson and FSU being fringe.

     

    3 minutes ago, Hurtlocker said:

    Yeah I'd lump Oregon, Washington, FSU, and Clemson into that purgatory tier between the massive brands and the normal P5 brands.   Big enough to move the B12/ACC needle, but not enough to move the SEC/B1G needle

    Y’all are severely underestimating the value of FSU.

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  11. 1 hour ago, Teryor said:

    It's not just that. AAU is destroying kids bodies playing 6 games in a weekend. 

    This is by far the most legit criticism of AAU.

     

    2 hours ago, ztejas said:

     

    Luka - plays like a shitty AAU coach's wet dream. Minimal effort on D. Shows up out of shape every season. Slows the game down and runs iso plays and ball screens to death. Another guy that is just straight up ridiculously talented. Amazing player but not because he "plays the game the right way".

     

    I’m a Mavs fan, so I love Luka, but he plays like James Harden. Almost no one would argue Harden plays the game “the right way” and yet Luka is somehow the face of European “fundamental greatness” taking over.

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  12. 15 minutes ago, ztejas said:

    Yeah - I'm not even sure I'm totally right. I'm trying not to be a dick myself. I just think there is weight to the idea presented in the original comment. 

    Honestly, I’m open to the possibility, I just need more info to buy into it. There’s a lot of factors at play.

     

    15 minutes ago, ztejas said:

     Chet was crazy hyped. I was looking through some 247 stuff before making a couple of these comments and here was the first write up for Chet:

    I could be underestimating the Chet hype, I just remember he wasn’t even the consensus #1 guy until relatively late in that recruiting cycle. (You can check the 247 composite rankings history) He got that perfect rating late too.
     

    I also think his class wasn’t as good as the one Flagg is in, which is why I don’t see ranking or draft slot as the end all be all. 

  13. 15 minutes ago, ztejas said:

    No. It's because those countries are poor and historically conflict stricken and have an unreal competitive culture when it comes to sports and in many instances that sport happens to be basketball. Kind of like black Americans growing up in poor, historically disenfranchised communities in the US. 

    The discussion is about the types of white guys that typically break the mold and enjoy success at higher levels. Flagg is an example regardless of his recruiting ranking. 

    Got you on the Europe thing. Still don’t know if I agree that white players in diverse areas fair worse (that’s the point I was originally replying to). Chet is from a diverse area.
     

    16 minutes ago, ztejas said:


    That definitely isn't true. Chet is a year removed from going 2nd in the draft. When is the last white American that went top 2?

    A player goes number 1 every year, they aren’t all Lebron James. Some drafts are better than others, some graduating classes are better than others. I don’t think simply comparing a rank or a draft slot is all that useful.
     

    11 minutes ago, Napoleon said:


    Lonestar doesn’t understand your argument. 

    Don’t know if it is a language issue or a reading comprehension issue, but you are right and he doesn’t make sense. 

    It’s just a discussion, no need to be a dipshit.

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  14. 40 minutes ago, ztejas said:

    It is true and the sample size isn't too small. Why do you think two of the best 10 players in the league are white Euros?

    You think the reason there are Central/Eastern Europeans thriving in the NBA is because the countries are really white? By that logic, we’d have more White American superstars too, because there’s still a shit ton of super white areas here. 

     

    43 minutes ago, ztejas said:

    Well... Chet was pretty recent. And there have been others. Maybe not a ton of #1 recruit status guys but certainly high 4 or 5 stars.

    There are 20+ 5 stars every year and like 50+ high 4 stars, it’s actually not as special as it sounds. Flagg is on a different level.

    And I’m not talking about ratings services anyways, I’m talking NBA hype. Flagg is already moving the needle in NBA circles in a way Chet never did.

     

    Edit: Also, Chet is from Minneapolis, which goes against your theory anyway. Minneapolis is not some lily white city.

  15. 1 hour ago, longhornmatt said:

    I don’t know if it’s scientific, but anecdotally I would agree that when there is a white dude who can really play I assume he’s from like West Virginia, Kentucky, Indiana, Iowa, or the Great Plains states and not like Chicago or Houston something, even though there are way more white dudes in Chicago or Houston. When you’re from Whitey McWhiteville, North Dakota, where there are no black dudes, it stands to reason that the star player who gets developed is a white dude and no white kids will get discouraged from playing basketball because they think it’s a black guy’s sport.  

     

    I don’t know if your point is true, but I do know the sample size is probably too small to draw a solid conclusion. There aren’t very many top white American basketball prospects overall. And there have been none I can think of to the level of Cooper Flagg since Bird.

     

    Off the top of my head though, Walker Kessler is from Atlanta and he was a 5-star coming out of high school and just finished top 3 in rookie of the year voting.

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