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Posts posted by 'stache
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54 minutes ago, Al_4_ISU said:
I hate it.
Sounds like we let the players make the decision, and this was their way to protest Campbell's OC not getting the HC job. I guess if not having to prep for a game allows the new staff to retain a bunch of guys, I'll be cool with it next year, but it really sucks not having another game to look forward to.
Yeah, I'd be pretty pissed too. It makes no sense. I bet cooler heads would have prevailed if given more time.
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11 hours ago, NotActuallyALonghorn said:
At least with this season we've kind of built in the expectation that we're going to somehow screw it up versus building momentum towards the end of the season only to screw it up later. Good things happening when hopes are moderated are much better than good things happening when hopes are elated, at least for the Cowboys. That way when it all goes to hell we aren't let down so bad and waiting on that sweet hit of playoff win hopes that can't come for at least another year.
I mean we already did that, after the philly and kc wins I allowed myself an ounce of hope before it all crashed letting detroit abuse us and finding out that philly and kc are actually kind of shitty.
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I'm on board with 24 and including top 2 G5 champs (or top 6 ranked conference champs). Those last teams will usually be legitimately within, or close enough to, the top 24 that it won't be such a drastic drop from Miami to Tulane/JMU and won't exclude those in between which seems to be the biggest issue with this year's bracket. It would also make them earn the first round win to play a top 8 team. It also solves the opt-out issue since there won't be top 25 teams playing meaningless bowl games with opt-outs and gives the people more meaningful football during the holiday season. I'd also do away with the CCGs, although it might make sense for the G5 conferences to make their rivalry week slate flexible to match their top two teams for a defacto championship game and to boost their SOS to the extent possible within the G5 context.
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Why don't they just get themselves a billionaire cookie guy?
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I guess I’ll add the obvious reasoning too, it would make qualifying for the CCG a detriment. That said, I’m for doing away with the CCGs because they’ve gotten stupid and largely meaningless (in the grand scheme, IU winning is kinda cool but that’s indivualized and not all that helpful to the system). We knew mega conferences and unequal scheduling would be a problem but it’s gone full absurd right off the bat. A four way tie for two spots in the SEC CCG, and a five way tie for the second spot in the ACC CCG resulting in a 5 loss champion and a non CCG participant from that league in the playoff. In conference SOS was the tiebreaker being something that is entirely out of the teams control. If someone had predicted this scenario last year or the year before they’d sound hysterical and over the top. Award conference trophy on record and tiebreakers and expand the playoff.
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It’s really, really fucking simple. CCGs can affect seeding but a loss won’t exclude you if you were in before the CCG. Only real issue is they should have dropped to 10 if for no other reason than to prevent the two rematches.
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7 minutes ago, notre dame joe said:
It's a joke but it's politically correct. Everyone except me is pretending that the ACC kept us out of the college football playoff, because they lobbied for a total of one team in the playoff. Isn't that their job?
We were actually kept out of the playoffs by SEC #5. The SEC has so much power in the media that, l no one is questioning whether the $EC deserved its 5th best team in the top 12. You have a good conference but it is not so good that number five is head and shoulders above anyone else.
And the helmet cancels any question about whether Alabama really was the 5th best team. Could Texas beat Auburn by more than one touchdown?
Well, just because they did not call this targeting does not mean there were no concussive effects.
Bama finshed the regular season at the top of the SEC after the tiebreakers, hence why they were the home team in the CCG. OU was the fifth team becasue they had two regular season conference losses. They were safely in the field because they beat Michigan in the non confererence game (hence how big noncon matchups can help if you win). Bama was never going to be left out when they had to play UGA because of tiebreakers and Ole Miss and aggy with the same conference record weren't forced to risk anything. Ole Miss especially, if they got blown out days after the coaching change fiasco, they might possibly be excluded, but they got to sit at home and deal with that situation because their SEC SOS was lower than Bamas and UGA's.
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5 minutes ago, Chopper said:
Why is domer angry at the ACC?
Because Miami beat them which I guess wasn't part of their agreement.
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18 minutes ago, Pig Bellmont said:
So now explain BYU
Bama was in the field before the CCG and they weren't going to be excluded for a third loss in that game while Ole Miss and aggy with the same pre CCG conference record sat home safely because of a convoluted 4-way SEC tiebreaker. BYU was already out of the field before the CCG and it was widely known they had to win to move up into the field.
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25 minutes ago, The Ace of Aces said:
ND probably kills the ACC - they’re holding a press conference and I bet they cancel their ACC membership.
That league can’t survive without them.
Nah the ACC has far bigger problems than whether a few of them play ND in any given year. The bigger problem would be for ND having to add 5 new opponents on short notice in a world where most P4 noncon schedules are set multiple years out. They also just set fire to their reputation and could prevent big names from scheduling them even if they could rearrange their existing contracts.
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18 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:
We don’t need AI for that, the math and formulas have always been there. The real issue is that sports guy talking heads, conference reps, and fans will not like doing it that way and will melt down when the math doesn’t work their way.
I mean they’ve been melting down for years now and directing their ire at people, at least the computer is what it is and can’t be accused of its own bias (programming maybe but everyone would have agreed to the programming). One solution is for programs who get left out to stop overreacting like little bitches every year. Sitting out a bowl game is as bad as it’s been, fuck ND and their pansy ass admins. Even FSU put out a team a few years ago after being decimated by the portal and opt outs.
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22 minutes ago, Valmy77 said:
Cal's season is one of the most nonsensical things I have seen in a long time. They lose 34-0 to San Diego State and get destroyed by Stanford...yet take down Louisville and SMU and finish 7-5 and get a vacation in Hawaii.
Let me introduce you to OKST 2018. Beat No. 17 Boise State, No. 5 Texas, No. 7 WVU, and lost to No. 6 OU by one point in Norman 47-48. Lost to everyone else in the bottom half of the conference standings (Baylor, TCU, KSU, Tech). All with a former walkon at QB. Beat No. 24 Mizzou in the Liberty Bowl.
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11 minutes ago, mdmost said:
They had a 5 loss champion because their conference has too many teams and it was stupid 5 way tiebreaker that got Duke in there. SMU had a chance to get in easily but couldn't beat a shitty Cal team. Miami beat Notre Dame. That should matter and it did. Notre Dame can easily solve all of this by joining a conference so they too will have to be in a championship game with risk. The committee wasn't leaving out the ACC. Where they screwed up was having Notre Dame ranked ahead of Miami last week. It would've gave them easy cover to exclude Notre Dame regardless of the ACC championship or to swap them and piss off Miami if Virginia had won on Saturday.
9 minutes ago, Sir Ulrich said:All conferences should go to a CFP based tie breaker when there are 3 or more teams tied atop the standings to get the best CCG participants and this would not be an issue. ND Bama and Miami all get in if the matchups are:
Miami vs Virginia
Georgia vs Ole Miss (& Lane)
Big 10 and Big 12 stay the same.
Wasn’t the ACC 2nd place tiebreaker the same as what the SEC used in its first place tiebreaker? Conference opponent sos? Considering conference rankings should be based on conference activity it makes as much sense as possible in the new ridiculous world of mega conferences and unequal conference scheduling. Miami lost to now unranked SMU and Louisville. Fuck them, one good noncon win doesn’t undo those losses. Not to mention using CFP rankings to break ties is just giving the committee that everyone is hating on so much today more power and influence.
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It would seem that with ai and other advances a BCS type formula could be far improved than the prior iteration. The big question is how to agree on how to program it and how to weigh certain things like noncon games or conference games with unequal scheduling. UT’s beef is the tOSU loss. Should the computers disregard it entirely or give it a weight? Should the weight be on a sliding scale? A noncon loss to the No. 2 team should be less detrimental than to the No. 10 team, or No. 20, or No. 25, etc., but it likely cannot be ignored entirely. Would admins and conferences agree to the computer weighing wins over FCS very lightly or possibly ignoring them altogether? How about computer rankings set the bracket and a committee is formed with the sole job of determining if other factors require an adjustment and the vote must be unanimous to alter the computer ranking and explained on paper in a professional manner like a legal brief or arbitrators decision instead of putting some jagoff on camera to yammer away like a dolt.
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The ACC damages itself by having a 5 loss champion. That alone should have excluded Miami. I don’t care if ND, Texas, BYU, or Vandy got the spot, they all deserved it over any ACC team.
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I imagine most 5 win teams shut things down last week.
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Why are KSU and ISU bailing? Other schools with coaching changes are playing.
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Haha I’ve avoided the Notre Dame hate train and they go and pull a bitch ass move like sitting out a bowl game. Grow up you fucking babies.
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JMU or Tulane are gonna win just to fuck with peoples’ outrage lol.
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I say expand to 18 and have a first four with the two highest ranked G5 champs playing the two lowest ranked at large for the 15 and 16 seed.
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35 minutes ago, The_Great_Hornsby said:
There has been a big fight over the amount of autobids. ACC and BIg 12 both wanted two spots and for the BIG and SEC to only have 3 spots. BIG and SEC have been pushing hard for 4 spots each. They will get that now.
Good lord do you literally not read anything? This is so false. Only the Big 10 wanted auto bids. The Big XII was with the SEC wanting 5+11. The ACC is a fucking disaster and just proved that 2 auto bids would be ridiculous. If you want to exclude G5 altogether make that argument but I doubt it flies. Tell the ACC to stop sucking maybe?
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