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BurntEyes

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  1. I didn't call you specifically a racist. I said the presumption that the people of Iran had zero chance of finding their own autonomy if the current regime was toppled was racist. It was the primary reason being provided by many for why US shouldn't get involved. They are now, so it is a moot point. Happy to discuss it in more clarity outside this thread if you like.
  2. Based on what Israel was able to do, all news outlets make it pretty clear than Israel had pretty much free movement over the skies of Iran. It's also clear by the scary moves the Mossad made they, unlike some, still believe strongly in HUMINT. I'm not claiming it's not possible that Iran moved material and has other facilities. It does seem the prevailing idea is that they likely moved it without considering the realities of Israeli and US intelligence while do so. Particularly given the realities of Iran's situation. Again, what don't we know. That blade cuts both ways.
  3. Iran got a shit ton of help building those from the Russians. Sure, they could attempt to rebuild new bunkers and bring in new scientists. After all this money was spent to get this far, is it possible that some eyes might be on such activities? Finally if there was nothing in them and they were easy to rebuild why did Russia get so twitchy about them getting bombed and pull their scientists out of Iran? Russia warns strike on Iran's Bushehr nuclear plant could cause 'Chernobyl-style catastrophe' - https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/russia-warns-strike-irans-bushehr-nuclear-plant-could-cause-chernobyl-style-2025-06-19/
  4. I don't disagree with the point in broad strokes but a few questions that need asking. 1) Nobody was using drones, satellites, or air to monitor movements around these facilities? 2) The lead scientist of the Iranian regime were taken out. Are those assets easily replaceable? 3) Does everyone presume other, non-disclosed locations where materials may have been moved weren't also struck? It events of this sort, more often than not there is as much as we don't know as do.
  5. Yeah it's pretty much if Meta bought Nicola, TikTok and Huawei. Thrown in Theranos for a nice medical round out of the Meta Tech and Medical cure all.
  6. Anyone painting this in simple terms isn't paying any attention or is driving a narrative. This engagement or war if you prefer involves the globes 3 largest nuclear powers, shit tons of proxies, the entire ME OG, Israel, and a region whose control has been fought over "globally" for well, since Alexander the Great, and regionally prior. People often get their news from their biased Twitter content or whatever platform and tend to regurgitate whatever their teams talking heads are saying. Sadly, the ability to have logical, complex discussion just aren't very realistic because it requires looking at all sides of the issues, of which there are numerous in this instance. It also requires one to be open minded enough to be critical of one's own "team" and at times supportive of the other. I'll use some examples on me. I strongly believe and was in favor of ending Iranian nuclear capabilities. I am strongly in favor of the current Iranian regime being toppled. I am glad the attacks were made, I am fearful of the reprocussions. I don't like that the talk from our politicians is that it wasn't to overthrow the current regime, but I understand to say otherwise could potentially escalate this already extremely dangerous situation to a far worse level. I don't want US troops in Iran but recognize that attacks by Iran or it's it's proxies could lead to that reality. I would like Iranian people to he free of tyrannical rule and to find its own autonomy but realize that's mostly hopeful. I don't have any confidence in the current US leadership to handle the situation smoothy or with tact, but acknowledge it's the hand we are dealt. I wish this group of largely university educated middle class and intelligent posters could have a complex conversation and discuss news and developments rationally without dropping in constant political shit talking commonly found on social media. I also acknowledge that's not going to happen and it bums me out, because if this group can't there is zero hope for the US public at large to do so.
  7. This is a crazy move by Iran if true, not that crazy from Iran is unexpected. Punish the Chinese for attacks from Israel and the US. With out more info my best guess is China thinks this will get them to get in the fight against the US? Lotsa room for blowback in that line of thinking if true. Who it pisses off: ME OG US Israel China
  8. So you think over simplification of the Iranian/US history in relation to where those relations stand today is bad practice?
  9. I said: Because they believe Israel and honestly Jews, Christians and religious freedom, should not exist, and the US supports those in various ways. Add to it they've been in bed with Russia since inception. Yeah... I wonder why too. All of this started when you responded to someone "Gee I wonder why" when they noted that Iran has been attacking us via proxies for 40 years.
  10. Fuck sake. Over the last 40 years has: The current Iranian Regime been closely aligned with Russia? Was there a cold war between Russia and the US during a large portion of that time? Are there still current tensions between the US and Russia? Has Iran, during the last 40 years attacked the US via proxies multiple times? Does the current Iranian regime believe that Israel, the US, Christianity and religious freedom should cease to exist? Do you believe the actions by the US in Iran prior to 1979 is 100% to blame for 100% of the attacks via proxies by Iran on the US?
  11. I never said that we should ignore history prior to 1979. You're also vastly oversimplifying what happened in 1979 and ignoring what happened since. It's like discussing quantum physics with a child.
  12. The original thing you quoted was that Iran has been attacking us via proxies for 40 years, which is true and you said you wonder why.. What I said was historically accurate. You can choose to ignore history and reality, doesn't mean it ceases to exist. I'm not claiming its why they were bombed tonight but history matters.
  13. Because they believe Israel and honestly Jews, Christians and religious freedom, should not exist, and the US supports those in various ways. Add to it they've been in bed with Russia since inception. Yeah... I wonder why too.
  14. It may well be that there is more to this we don’t know than do. We know what's been in the press which is usually only a part of the story.
  15. The entire middle east supported this attack.
  16. Some times a picture can help. I'd love someone knowledgeable or if someone can find what the math is on the total power of those 6 bombs. https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/06/18/politics/bunker-buster-weapon-explained-dg That's a BIG truck behind this pic:
  17. The bulk of their military leaders are dead. They've killed iirc just 24 Israelis. The potential of nukes and I'm guessing a goodly amount of other tactical assets got swept off the board. We have no idea what's occurred under the radar, but Iran doesn't have a lot left to even keep their own government afloat right this minute.
  18. 180,000 lbs or 90 tons. 90 tons... of bombs.
  19. Some quick screen grabs and a quote from Reuters
  20. 9 pm central Trump will speak per Reuters.
  21. Being Chuckles he may well have intend Bristlr or Feeld, incorrectly assuming all dating apps are the same and therefor bad.
  22. I mean... you're not wrong.
  23. Story isn't that simple and I think you know it. So this happened about 30 days ago in Iran: Today’s protests across more than 20 cities showed a people no longer pleading but demanding. Retirees robbed of their futures, farmers robbed of water, and workers robbed of dignity all cried out with one voice. The slogans ringing through the streets— “Only in the streets will we win our rights,” “Death to this injustice,” “Enough is enough”—made it clear: this was not just economic unrest. This was a call for liberation Iranian People Riot But today they are in the streets with signs that are pics of the Ayatollah in full support of him?!?! NTY Protest Coverage Doesn't that seem a like a massive sudden shift? Couldn't be that at least a part of it is a totalitarian regime "encouraged" such protests right after all their military leaders were taken out and US is flying bombers could it? Here is a more complex discussion about the issues: Iran's divided opposition senses its moment but activists remain wary of protests - https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/irans-divided-opposition-senses-its-moment-activists-remain-wary-protests-2025-06-19/
  24. I would be shocked at this point if they didn't move forward. Despite the protestations of big parts of the Maga empire, if no US troops are involved (which I TRULY hope is the case) and only air/sea, it can be spun by Surly's favorite leader as "Bring Peace to the middle east (dispite being Persia)", "Stamping out terrorist" and "Saving the world from Nukes" all while he gets to flex the US military. Ego and Legacy would both be well served. But... it is Trump "blind dart choices" are still in play.
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