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  1. 1 hour ago, D3zii said:

    Was really hoping to get the big from Duke but Bryant shows a lot of promise. 
     

    great draft!!! 
     

    idk how next year will go. Still need some bigs but I’m excited 

    I was hoping we'd trade back in the bottom of the first and take the Michigan kid, Wolf.  He has a really interesting skill set and if he ends up developing a consistently good 3, he could be a good big for a decade along with being an elite passer at the position.  Great passers out of the post are hard to come by and he has just enough post game to stick.  I think he was way underdrafted if he can get that 3 up to 37+% eventually.

     

  2. 12 hours ago, BurgleBro said:

    There are layers of risk involved with allocating 1st round money on a player that will stay in Austin that much

    It is what it is at this point, but excluding wemby and Harper their draft acumen over the last 7 to 8 years doesn't exactly thrill me.  Lots of misses there. 

    Fingers crossed

    Last 10 years, they've been above average or decently good.  Murray at 29 is White at 29 were pretty good to great draft picks, but then.... Lonnie, Luka (that one is huge fail), Keldon, Vassell, Tre Jones (pretty good for 2nd rounder), Primo and Weiskamp (empty year when you suck), Sochan, Branham and Wesley (could still turn around but right now, not good), before turning it around with Wemby, Castle, and now Harper.  Part of the issue was Pop not wanting to accept where the team was and play for draft status so we didn't get high lottery picks until the last 3 years.  We've hit when in the top 5, as you should, but outside of the top 10, we have a pretty checkered record.  A generational talent like Wemby can clean up a lot resumes, but he has to stay healthy.  We've done much better in acquiring draft picks through trades.

     

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  3. 1 hour ago, cafe society said:

    You're more optimistic than I.  The Wizards seems like a place where scorers go to languish on last place teams, accumulate points and not much else.  It's like tv actors trying to break into motion pictures.  You get labeled and typecast.  See John Wall and Gilbert Arenas.  Hope like hell I'm way off base.

    I think that's a fair assessment historically of the Washington franchise after the 70's.  I get it, all I was saying its that historically shitty diner who's under new management and when you find out it new management is the new sous chef of the most popular diner in town, you have to hope things get better.  Frankly, Tre has a lot of weakness in his game so wherever he can develop the most will be the best place for him and new management is from a place which traditionally drafted well and developed well, that's all.

     

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  4. Just now, chainsaw said:

    I'd be pretty pissed if I was a lottery pick and got stashed to the G-League

    If you can't average more than 6 points your only college season...... you should be pretty thrilled to be a lottery pick at all.  He'll live in Austin most of the season, he's a major project.

  5. Took a major project at 14..... If he hits, then he's that long 3 and D forward who can play both positions, but man..... no production and he's all potential.  Wouldn't have been the direction I would have gone.  It may take him 4 years before he's any good.

  6. 2 minutes ago, Derka said:

    as much i would normally hate this landing spot for him, this development actually does make me feel pretty good about him going there. 

    Their front office is from the Presti tree as well.  I think being out the lime light may be good and Washington is going to be bad so he'll get minutes and time to develop.....

     

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  7. 2 hours ago, Message Board User said:

    Dallas' main task over the next couple years will be to find a suitable, young running mate for Flagg.  If it's Feb 2026 and the ASB and the Mavs are something like 16-35, they should just push Kyrie's return to the start of 2026-27 season and shut down AD to get another bite at the apple in a loaded 2026 draft.  I also wonder what kind of deals they may be able to get for Kyrie and AD at the trade deadline...oh wait shit forgot about Nico.

    If they're that bad at 50 games it most likely means AD is hurt.  How badly he's hurt would probably dictate his value but he'd be 33 coming off injury.... again with 120m due the next 2 years.  Hard to imagine Dallas being that bad unless AD is leveraged so it's a sort of double edged sword.

  8. 13 hours ago, MNLonghornFUKM said:

    why the hell would beal green light this? 

    Charlotte is probably closer to winning anything than Phoenix is.  He's from St Louis but has spent the last decade before Phoenix on the WC.  Also, maybe Charlotte is promising to not buy him out this year?  

     

  9. 7 hours ago, Dutchrudder said:

    Garland has way more upside than Green and Brooks. 40% from 3 last year, much better shooter all around, good handles and locked up for 3 more years. I can't imagine the #10 pick would make them go with the Houston offer, but maybe KD didn't want to go to Cleveland either. Can't really blame him there. 

    I think it's the 135m+ over the next 3 years with his 15% trade kicker which probably turned Phoenix off.  Garland's a fine player but probably not worth that especially without any draft capital.

     

    57 minutes ago, Derka said:

     

    Seems like a sucker's bet....

     

  10. 2 hours ago, ztejas said:

    Did De'Aron Fox die?

    We would have won more than 34 games last season if Wemby didn't get shut down. And then we shut Fox down.

    Castle will be better and may even take a leap. Sochan will be better. You would think Wemby will continue to get better. I don't know what we get from Harper but he will be on the team. We shouldn't really need anything from DV and Keldon that they didn't give us last season. If our season is going to hinge on either of those guy's "development" then just shoot me in the head now. 

    It's time to win games and make the playoffs. I get the West is deep but if we can't be better than all of these teams with 65+ games of Fox and Wemby then, yes, this season will be a failure. 

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    And that's assuming the other 7 teams all make the playoffs and I wouldn't exactly throw a ton of money on teams like the Clippers and Warriors to stay out of the play-in.

    So, with health, I think we make the playoffs as well, but it's greatly up to Wemby at this point.  Fox is solid player but what Fox are you getting?  He's a high USG%, shoot first PG, who's a defensive liability because of his size.  He's a pretty good player, but not a great player, and what the team really needs is a facilitator - CP3 from 6 years ago.  Scoring 25 on 18-19-20 shots isn't really a great stat for a small PG, who's a lousy 3 point shooter.  Now, I do think he has in him being more of an on court leader.  A guy who scores 18-19 points on 14-15 shots and decreases his USG% under 25 and increases his AST% above 30 while hopefully shooting 34-35% from 3.  You get that guy, we're probably easily making the playoffs but he's never done it before because Sac-town needed his scoring.  We don't need that if the others show up and with the rookie who's calling card is scoring at this point.  We need Fox to be a better facilitator and decent shooter who can break down a defense and dictate pace.  I do respect him because he's a guy who wanted to come here.

    As far as the others, Castle is who I have my eye on.  A lot of good stuff by the eye test, but he's got to become a better shooter and more efficient offensive player, but as a rookie, nothing but love for his first year.  I hope he can make a huge step forward and it begins with shooting.  Hopefully the others can take a step forward, but again, my point is, they've really only take baby steps forward.  So we do really need to make an impact with some smart moves in FA.  Getting to the 8 seed is 14 games.  That's a bunch. I don't give a fuck about the play-in games.  That's not about being a good team, it's about TV ratings.

    These guys are so young, it's hard to really critique guys learning the pro game, but it's how we've built this team.  We need them to take all of these minutes and experience they've gotten and turn it into more sustainable production.  And again, we're not asking for them to be ship contenders, just make the playoffs.

     

     

  11. 30 minutes ago, ztejas said:

    If we can't make the playoffs as currently constructed barring major injury issues that's a huge fucking failure. 

    Well, we haven't won more than 34 games in the last 5 years.  We're basically saying Wemby has to continue to develop and play 75 games next season and then HOPE the others can continue to develop and add to their game.  Maybe the Sochan shooting tech change is for real, but I don't want that guy shooting more than 10 shots a game anyway.  Maybe Castle is developing.  I can't depend on a rookie guard, as talented as he is, doing much except playing rotation level ball for the majority of the season.  At some point, talent has to translate to production.  This has only happened with Wemby.  Vassell, Sochan, and Castle, to a smaller degree, have to get better and not baby steps anymore, that's what Vassell and Sochan have been doing.  They're marginally better than they were when they joined the league.  Let's take Vassell as an example:

     

    Season Age Team Lg Pos G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% 2P 2PA 2P% eFG% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS ORtg DRtg Awards
    5 Yrs   303 186 8402 9.1 20.6 .444 3.5 9.5 .369 5.6 11.0 .509 .530 2.6 3.3 .806 0.8 5.7 6.5 4.5 1.8 0.8 1.9 2.7 24.4 110 116  
    2020-21 20 SAS NBA SF 62 7 1056 5.7 13.9 .406 2.4 6.9 .347 3.3 7.0 .464 .492 2.0 2.3 .843 1.1 6.9 8.0 2.6 2.0 0.8 1.0 4.0 15.7 108 112  
    2021-22 21 SAS NBA SF 71 32 1937 8.1 18.9 .427 3.4 9.4 .361 4.7 9.5 .492 .516 2.1 2.5 .838 1.1 6.5 7.6 3.4 1.9 1.0 1.4 3.5 21.6 109 112  
    2022-23 22 SAS NBA SG 38 32 1178 10.5 23.9 .439 4.1 10.7 .387 6.3 13.2 .480 .525 3.1 4.0 .780 0.3 5.6 5.9 5.5 1.7 0.7 2.3 2.3 28.2 110 120  
    2023-24 23 SAS NBA SG 68 62 2248 10.5 22.3 .472 3.5 9.4 .372 7.0 12.9 .544 .550 3.4 4.2 .801 0.6 4.9 5.5 5.8 1.5 0.5 2.3 1.6 27.9 113 118  
    2024-25 24 SAS NBA SG 64 53 1983 9.6 21.7 .443 3.9 10.5 .368 5.8 11.2 .513 .532 2.3 2.9 .792 0.8 5.4 6.2 4.5 2.0 0.8 2.1 2.6 25.4 109 118  
     

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    Season Age Team Lg Pos G GS MP PER TS% 3PAr FTr ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% OWS DWS WS WS/48 OBPM DBPM BPM VORP Awards
    5 Yrs   303 186 8402 14.1 .555 .463 .158 1.7 13.0 7.3 13.9 1.8 1.3 7.9 21.1 5.3 6.6 11.9 .068 0.0 -0.5 -0.5 3.1  
    2020-21 20 SAS NBA SF 62 7 1056 10.6 .524 .495 .168 2.4 15.4 8.8 7.1 2.0 1.4 6.3 14.3 0.4 1.1 1.5 .069 -2.2 0.7 -1.5 0.1  
    2021-22 21 SAS NBA SF 71 32 1937 13.3 .540 .497 .130 2.4 14.3 8.3 9.7 1.9 1.8 6.7 18.9 1.3 2.0 3.3 .082 -0.5 0.0 -0.5 0.7  
    2022-23 22 SAS NBA SG 38 32 1178 15.5 .550 .447 .168 0.7 13.5 6.9 17.3 1.7 1.2 8.2 24.4 0.7 0.5 1.2 .051 1.3 -0.9 0.4 0.7  
    2023-24 23 SAS NBA SG 68 62 2248 15.7 .578 .422 .190 1.3 11.3 6.3 19.1 1.5 0.8 8.6 23.5 2.0 1.6 3.6 .077 0.9 -0.9 0.0 1.1  
    2024-25 24 SAS NBA SG 64 53 1983 14.2 .553 .483 .135 1.8 12.0 6.9 13.8 2.0 1.5 8.5 22.1 0.9 1.3 2.2 .054 -0.3 -0.8 -1.1 0.4  
     
    What does he do better appreciably than say his 2nd year?  I'd say he's a little better passer and playmaker, which is something better but nothing else.  He hasn't turned into the on the ball defender we need him to be and he really needs to deliver a 3pt% at close to 40% to really help us as that 3 and D guy we need.  He's talented.  He can dominate a game once and awhile and I realize he was hurt last year, but the time is now for him or he may just end up kicking around the league for a decade as a bench guy who never filled his potential.  Remember, we took him over Halliburton.  
     
    Sochan is much of the same..... I'd say we need that forward off the bench who can really shoot and he needs length.  We need a big man with some nasty to him and it'd be nice if he had some post game and then probably a scorer off the bench who can get his own shot.  
     
    BTW, getting only marginally better is Keldon Johnson too, but he wasn't a lottery pick.  But he was better than thought off the cuff, but then has stagnated.
     
  12. Who can the Spurs get for those exceptions is probably the difference between playoffs and not.  Going to need some veteran help.  Still have picks and KJ, Barnes, Vassell and Sochan if the right deal comes around but I don't want to see or hear anything about Jaylon Brown.  Fuck that.

     

  13. 10 minutes ago, C-Man said:


    Gagree. I didn’t want KD on this team unless it was a steal. Seems Rockets gave up quite a bit to get him.

    Not really.... 10 and Green, who's upside will have a ceiling unless he greatly improves his shooting, although only 22, so has a long development curve.  

  14. Welp, looks like KD is going to Houston.  Basically, the difference was the 10 vs the 14th pick.  Got close but ultimately, we decided to keep our powder dry.  They're farther along then we are so it also aligns with timelines better for them.  Still hurts.

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  15. 6 hours ago, BurgleBro said:

    After checking out the physical stats behind the teams that made it deep this year, I'm fully on board with drafting Harper.

     

    The lanky, long, floor dominating wing player doesn't really seem to exist often in today's league. 

    Such as?

    Indy: Siakam

    OKC:  Williams

    Knicks:  OG 

    Minny:  McDaniels

    I mean there's way more examples of wing players, what do you mean?  And I'm on board with Harper too especially since he's grown 1.5 inches and has long arms.

     

     

  16. 3 hours ago, Message Board User said:

    Not sure what Clark did to get a tech here (Suns players got 3 but the one that cheap-shotted Clark to the ground got to stay in the game).

     

     

     

    Game flow.  The refs, who were horrible, had already given Clark a break when she very easily could have gotten a tech in the first half (see below):

    This rivalry (I use the term loosely because it's so one sided) between Jacy Sheldon and Clark goes back to Big Ten basketball and Sheldon has guarded Clark for years.  She's very physical with her and guards her 94 feet for the most part.  Clark's team tend to dominate but she makes it very difficult for Clark and the game was chippy.  The refs did a very poor job in controlling the game and Mabrey probably deserved to get tossed by knocking her down, but again, they had granted Clark a small indiscretion so that's why they just T'd up a bunch of Sun players.  

    Gotta love the hottest girl on the team taking Clark's back and hard fouling Sheldon on a transition basket..... Indy need some of that protective mindset.

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  17. 3 hours ago, Welch said:

    A perennially unhappy 37-year-old (who hasn’t won a playoff game since I was apparently eight or nine years old myself) is exactly what this team needs!  

    Let’s ship a valuable asset or two to rent him for a year, stunt Wemby’s growth, and end up exactly where we’d be without him… losing in the first round.

    That would make you 11 years old..... this tracks....

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  18. 8 hours ago, Kermit said:

    I don’t want to lose Sochan. Not even for Durant. I have fallen for the off-season shooting videos.

    Here's the thing..... Sochan will never be anywhere as good as KD, even a 37 year old KD.  His upside is really good glue and energy guy with some defensive stopper side to him.  Like a bankrupt Draymond Green.  The advantage to keeping him is if his mindset is right (and thus far it hasn't been) is he won't need many shots or USG and his price.  But right now, Jeremy Sochan isn't a very good player.  He's a good talent and we all hope he takes the next step forward but he doesn't do anything well.  He doesn't rebound enough or play on the ball defense enough to reach to good levels.  He shot better this year but he's still a dismal 3 point shooter.  Doesn't block shots or control the paint.  Doesn't create extra possessions by causing turnovers or stealing the ball.  Basically, he's just potential and it feels like the Spurs haven't really known what to do with him.  I think it's easy..... Rodman with a 3 point shot should be the goal.  He'll never be that good on the defensive end or on the boards, but that should be the goal and he's not really in the same state yet, so let's not mention neighborhood.

    So, while I get it, let's try not to suffer too much from foundation bias.  It happens to me too, so again, I totally understand but there is a real possibility that 6 or 7 years of Sochan never delivers as much VORP or WS as 3 years of KD at this age.  But it's the money, man..... it's the money.  KD takes up so much room that your either can't give up as much as Phoenix apparently wants or his extension would have to be a self-aware hometown discount.  Something around 2 for 70m or something.  You basically give KD 65 games during the reg season and pray he's healthy and has his legs for a deep playoff run.

    Again, all of that said, I think we get outbid by quite a bit.

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