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  1. 45 minutes ago, Red Five said:

    Jesus fucking Christ. "OMG he's not wearing a mask at home in his basement but he is when he's out and may come into contact with other people!". 

    At some point republicans have to be tired of being stupid and wrong all the time. 

    No, they don't.

  2. 2 hours ago, henrygandorf said:

    contact tracing for some of these towns must be...interesting.  i would say entertaining, but i'm not quite there yet. 

    i just envision a bunch of tracers and doctors doing the math, working the wipe board, and being like, "ok, here's another positive, and she went to...yep, great clips, god dammit, this stylist is like the monkey from fucking outbreak.  put it on the board, susan."

    The bitch of it has got to be calling up the people who saw the stylist, asking them who’ve they’ve been in contact with since, and having them scream at you that they’re not gonna let the jew world order march them off to death camps and hang up on you.

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  3. 10 minutes ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

    I mean, great that Sessions gets his ass kicked, but does anyone think Tubberville is going to be some great Senator?

    Fuck that shit.  Alabama should be sold to Mexico or something.

    We’d be even bigger assholes than i already thought we were if we dumped that burden on Mexico.

  4. 6 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

    I'm old enough to remember when we were talking about 100k deaths by August.  Lol?

    The thing is, the "facts don't care about your feelings!" crowd that can't stop crying about social distancing and masks doesn't care about facts and they don't care about anybody they don't know. At a very fundamental level, they think they should be able to do whatever they want to do and that the rest of the world exists to enable them to do whatever it is that they want to do. Ten million people could have already died and they'd be behaving exactly the same, unless they or their family or close friends were among the dead or seriously affected. All that matters to them is that they can't do the things they are used to doing the way they are used to doing them, and anybody who asks them to change, even temporarily, is essentially evil in their eyes.

    These types of people have always existed, but much of modern America treats this sociopathy as a virtue so they no longer feel socially restrained from expressing it. The real problem is that we let them get away with it. We realize that avoiding confrontation is usually good from a social standpoint, so when we see it all we do is put on a shocked face and chuckle among ourselves when they're gone about how awful they are. But with people like this, that approach is actively harmful to society at large. It makes them think more people agree with them than actually do. These people need to be immediately challenged on their bullshit. When a group of people see a woman cough on someone because someone asked them to wear a mask, they need to all yell at her and pelt her with garbage. When they see some asshole start pushing a grocery store clerk, they need to punch the fucker in the face, knock him over, and kick the shit out of him. These people need to be afraid of what will happen to them if they behave this way in public. It won't make them better people, but it will put a stop to a lot of this shit.

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  5. 3 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

    That problem is in no way limited to those you imply.  And it extends further up the income ladder than the underclass, which is well known to be majority white.

    People overspend and don't save.  It's a problem.  It becomes a serious problem when something like this pandemic hits.  They won't possess enough economic resilience to weather this.

    WhatTheBuck is kind of a dick about religion, but I don't think he's actively racist (meaning we're all a little racist at some level if you're honest about it).

    Our entire social and economic system was constructed to disincentive saving and encourage spending, arguably even to the point of coercion for some people. Not saying you're doing this, but it's obviously bad for a number of different reasons to try to blame individuals for systemic problems.

  6. 2 hours ago, Born to Run said:

    This.

    I'm sure that dude is fine with someone in an F 150 getting assistance because "work truck" nevermind even old trucks are expensive. You can buy a pretty nice looking Mercedes for 4k.

    Also a lot of poors drive Uber as a second gig and that requires a decent newer vehicle.

     

    Just perpetuating the myth of welfare queens. A handful of lower middle class people abuse the system so let's throw it all out. Meanwhile we have daily examples of wealthy corporations grifting million's.

     

    The Fed had to make $4 trillion available to banks and major businesses basically the moment shit hit the fan, and that's ignoring the congressional bailout, but yeah let's focus on poor working class people not having a shitload of money saved up for a rainy day.

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  7. On 5/18/2020 at 9:23 AM, Brisketexan said:


    When you consider the fact that this EXPOSED some serious issues, it didn’t just create them....a long recovery makes sense. I think 5 years is long....but 2-3 seems likely.

    I think 5 years is short. Nearly every state currently run by Republicans is lying to their own citizens in an attempt to get people to go back to normal. When that results in spikes and more deaths, people who can will stay in on their own, regardless of whether their states officially lock things down again or not, and they won't trust their officials to let them know when things actually probably are safe for them to get back to normal. That means that a lot of people will probably end up basically self quarantining for substantially longer than they'll actually need to do so, depressing economic activity when things should be returning to normal. We're going to be feeling the effects of our shitty handling of this for years to come.

    And that's not even considering what happens if Biden wins but the GOP keeps the Senate, in which case we'll see the GOP Senate go all out to sabotage any effort to spur economic recovery. Hell, even if the Dems win the Presidency and the Senate, they'll probably water down any recovery bills to try to get bipartisan support they'll never in a billion years get. 

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  8. 16 minutes ago, SizzleChest said:

    Lockdowns end, but a lot of people still stay home and don't alter their life (particularly mobility) patterns very much until there is more confidence in treatments or a vaccine.  I wonder if this in this report. 

    The "lockdowns could cause more deaths than covid" shit is pure insanity.

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  9. 41 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

    And this is part of the derangement that leads to the false narrative that Trump isn't in really, really bad shape.  SCOTUS didn't steal the Presidency for the GOP in 2000.  And the repetition of this false narrative isn't useful.

    There is no count that ever had Al Gore winning Florida.  The most comprehensive recount, done by The New York Times, had Gore losing by 509 votes.  

    Gore fucking lost.  All SCOTUS did was end the suspense.

    Are you referring to this? Because that states:

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    A comprehensive review of the uncounted Florida ballots from last year's presidential election reveals that George W. Bush would have won even if the United States Supreme Court had allowed the statewide manual recount of the votes that the Florida Supreme Court had ordered to go forward.

     

    Contrary to what many partisans of former Vice President Al Gore have charged, the United States Supreme Court did not award an election to Mr. Bush that otherwise would have been won by Mr. Gore. A close examination of the ballots found that Mr. Bush would have retained a slender margin over Mr. Gore if the Florida court's order to recount more than 43,000 ballots had not been reversed by the United States Supreme Court.

     

    Even under the strategy that Mr. Gore pursued at the beginning of the Florida standoff -- filing suit to force hand recounts in four predominantly Democratic counties -- Mr. Bush would have kept his lead, according to the ballot review conducted for a consortium of news organizations.

     

    But the consortium, looking at a broader group of rejected ballots than those covered in the court decisions, 175,010 in all, found that Mr. Gore might have won if the courts had ordered a full statewide recount of all the rejected ballots. This also assumes that county canvassing boards would have reached the same conclusions about the disputed ballots that the consortium's independent observers did. The findings indicate that Mr. Gore might have eked out a victory if he had pursued in court a course like the one he publicly advocated when he called on the state to ''count all the votes.''

    I really don't have the time to get into a discussion about all of the reasons that Bush v. Gore was an abysmal SCOTUS opinion because an entire class can be taught on it, but this is a good article on it. Suffice it to say that the remedy effectively ratified a vote count that, per their own reasoning, was exactly as unconstitutional as the count they were ruling would be unconstitutional. Even if Bush would've won the recount that would have been conducted, nobody knew that at the time and the Republicans were scared enough that he wouldn't that they literally ginned up a riot to halt the recount in Miami-Dade County. Bush v. Gore wasn't based on anything resembling a legal principle, it was purely an exercise in partisan power. The conservatives on the court had the power to shut down the recount while Bush still held a sliver of a lead, so that's what they did.  If a similar situation arises in November, there's absolutely no reason to think they won't do it again. 

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  10. 2 minutes ago, Pig Bellmont said:

    I don’t think polling was similar. Didn’t Nate Silver have Hillary up by 3 points? Biden’s margin is larger, but certainly there’s urgency to take nothing for granted 

    Before the Comey letter I think she was polling up between 5-8 points in most polls. IIRC the comey letter knocked it down to a 2-3 point lead for a day or two that rebounded back to 4-5 by Election Day. I could have those a bit off but that was the general shape of it.

  11. 1 minute ago, The Dog said:

    Yeah I don't agree with any of that. The map looks very good for Biden and as was mentioned upthread there is a good chance that Trump is going to have to waste valuable time and resources campaigning in what should be "safe" states for him. That is very, very bad news for Trump.

    Just MHO.

    That's not an unreasonable position. None of this stuff is binary, they're all factors. If the GOP is wasting resources on Georgia and Texas, that's gonna be amazing for Dems. But Trump has a high base of support in a bunch of swing states and if it's close in any state in which Republicans control the election infrastructure, they'll cheat like they did in Georgia in 2018, and/or Trump will just say the Dems cheated and sue, in which case he'll have a friendly Supreme Court there to help him out if Roberts thinks it's close enough that they can get away with it. SCOTUS already stole the Presidency for the GOP in 2000, there's absolutely no reason to think they wouldn't do it again if they think the public will accept it.

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  12. 9 minutes ago, The Dog said:

    Not quite sure what you are saying here but by May Carter was barely polling 40%. The only reason he had a lead was that Anderson was taking some of what would become Reagan's vote. 

    But if you're saying you don't understand why people think Trump will win then I agree. I think Trump Derangement Syndrome has clouded people's judgment - Trump is in serious trouble and there's no Hillary on the ballot this time. 

    Why people still think Trump will win (or at least has a good shot of winning) is pretty obvious. He's got a substantial built-in electoral college advantage and he already surprised us in 2016 despite polling that was pretty similar. I think people are giving those concerns too much weight given how high strong disapproval of Trump now is, and a lot of people who hated Hillary with the fire of a trillion suns generally like Biden, but Dems are certainly fighting from the low ground. 

    There's also the likelihood that Trump, his administration, and Republicans in every state they control will cheat.

  13. Republicans' bullshit is exhausting, because they expect us to pretend to believe they're serious, because so much of the media always does. But we don't actually have to pretend that Immortal and his idiot friends give a shit about Biden's kid having a job. Rich peoples' failsons getting jobs they don't deserve is the entire fucking goal of Republican politics. Trump put his fucking son-in-law in charge of our federal covid response, resulting in the actual theft of emergency supplies from those who need it and the deaths of over a hundred thousand Americans. Does anyone think Immortal gives a shit about that? Of course he doesn't.

    Immortal and every other person who peddles this nonsense is a dishonest piece of shit and they deserve to be pelted with garbage every time they venture out into public.

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