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  1. 13 minutes ago, ConferenceRoom said:

    What is your point here? Other than some weird gloat. At least one poster acknowledged that she very well could hold the keys to elections and policy in the coming years, and that it speaks volumes about where we are as a country. None of us had anything to do with her husband getting killed and none of us have anything to do with strategy for the Democratic party who also didn't have anything to do with the shooting, and the shooter likely doesn't have anything to do with the party. What are we supposed to do here? 

    Seems to me Ana is happier than anyone here about Kirk's murder, as he thinks it gives him another opportunity to dunk on those he hates.

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  2. 16 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

    Is Anonymous still a thing? Pretty sure I saw where he/she basically said, "Holy shit, he's a confirmed Groyper. Nick is fucked."

    Not that I'm trying to pass that off as a source--obviously not--just wondering if Anonymous is still in the exposing fools game.

    I think most 4chan account names just appear as "Anonymous." It's not the same as the hacker group. 

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  3. 40 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

    We're still in the danger zone in that department, but various sources seem to be converging on fairly accurate information.  The inscriptions on the casings seem fairly accurate at this point.  Although I'm curious about "Catch this fascist" or "Catch this, fascist."  

    You probably already saw that this is from the video game Helldivers. In Helldivers, you play basically as Starship Troopers infantry and the game world's propaganda says you're fighting for managed democracy against fascist bugs and robots, the joke being that you're obviously a fascist foot soldiers and you die all the time. You can call in airstrikes and orbital bombardments and a bunch of other stuff, and "catch this, fascist!" is something you might say before calling in an airstrike if you're kind of LARPing like you're taking it seriously. There's plenty of video game YouTube channels that make silly little videos  goofing on the gameplay and that might even be a line from a specific one. Something like this:

    ETA: dahobbs beat me to it. It's possible that he was a groyper and personally took the "irony" of the game to align with how "ironic" he saw it that a further right fascist would kill Kirk, but more likely it's just a joke the mass shooter fandom community already memefied and by using it in the shooting he's basically referencing a reference of a reference of a reference of... etc. They do this frequently now in attacks (e.g. the shooter who shot up that Catholic school recently wrote the Loss meme on the gun). Sometimes there's some sort of alignment with alt-right shit, but usually it's just nihilistic "jokes."

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  4. On 9/11/2025 at 12:07 PM, wildcat09 said:

    One thing that's really gnawing at me today is the response from notable liberals to Kirk's murder. It's not that it's bad for public officials and other notable liberals whose voices carry weight to speak out against political violence. But there was an immediate rush for them to get statements out yesterday like we've never seen before. I'm pretty sure Obama never even made a public statement about Melissa Hortman's assassination, but he had a statement out within like 30 minutes yesterday. Hortman was an elected representative and literally someone Obama had met and hosted at the White House.  But her assassination and the attempted assassination of another elected representative by a right winger with a hit list with like 70 more liberals on it (including Obama) didn't merit anything. That was just a fucking Tuesday, or whatever. And look at Ezra Klein's opinion today, just straight up lying to his audience that Kirk did politics "the right way." And I'm sure there's plenty of other similar statements/articles from liberal commentators pretending that Charlie Kirk was a great guy with whom they just had normal political disagreements.

    There's only two explanations I can think of for this, neither of them good. First, it could just be conscious or even subconscious pre-emptive surrender on their part. Maybe they just think the fight has already been lost and they've resigned themselves to fascism dominion over America and don't want to endanger themselves. But if that's the case, I find it absolutely ridiculous. Yeah things are bad and everyone here knows I've been saying this shit is going to get very bad for a long time. But like I said yesterday, I don't know that this really gives them any ammunition to ratchet their propaganda up further because their reaction to this is virtually identical to their reaction to a million trivial things. There's already a fire raging, and this doesn't help, but I don't know that it really pours any substantial amount of gas on the fire and I still think there is a chance the fire can be contained, if not quickly extinguished. Just look at how incompetent they've been at so much of their attempt to consolidate power. Look at how fucking old and worthless Trump looks. Look at Republicans begging Pritzker to let them invade Chicago a little bit just as a treat. They are not a vigorous, unstoppable movement, and for liberals with real platforms to treat them as if they are is fucking embarrassing.  

    The alternative, and I don't know if it's worse or better, is that they simply view Kirk as one of "them" in a way that a lowly state representative isn't, and that they just fundamentally think people of their social status matter more than a lowly state representative, much less us normal people.  That they just see it all as a game and think the players on the other side are as Good as they are, regardless of what they say or do.

    I uh, think I hit the nail on the head with option 2. David Brooks isn’t exactly a liberal, but I think this is probably pretty representative among liberal and centrist pundits: 

     

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  5. I think it should be noted that, while groypers are definitely something most posters here are unfamiliar with, Johnny absofuckinglutely knows who they are. He's knee deep in groyper internet and has been for years. That's why he threw his little hissy fit earlier today pretending like he didn't know exactly what those memes indicated. 

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  6. 11 minutes ago, ImNotMarkinson said:

    still very wide open in my opinion

    Scorecard in my opinion: "die fascist" = +1 lefty

    Raised in MAGA family = +1 righty

    If you're reading this you're gay = +1 righty

    Caio Bella = +1 lefty

    UWU what's this = +1 righty, if i had to assign a score to it given the very inane online presence it suggests that i associate with incel memeworld that trends righty.

    "Kirk is too hateful" comment = +1 lefty.

    The fascist line was a joking reference to a video game that's essentially Starship Troopers in which the characters calling their enemies fascists are the actual fascists. It's all just edgy ironic internet meme shit. He could be a groyper or he could be more of a nihilistic mass-shooter fan.  Some people call this the true crime community, but that's a motherfucker to research because any googling will just find true crime podcasts and that's not the way the phrase is meant when describing the mass shooter fans. I'm leaning toward him being a true crime-type, though wouldn't be surprised if he liked groypers and bought into their rhetoric about Kirk to an extent and was partially motivated by that. There's likely a lot of overlap between the two groups. 

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  7. 3 minutes ago, 'stache said:

    It's like everyone forgets that the guy who mowed down 20+ Hispanics in the El Paso Walmart expressly said he did it in response to the president's constant theme of invasions and immigrants "poisoning the blood" of America. A direct fucking link there and here we are, being told that we're at war with "libruls" because a hateful asshat was murdered and we don't even know who did it and what their motive was at this point. Fucking infuriating.

    The guy who shot up the 4th of July parade in a Chicago suburb a few years ago was maga. So was the Tree of Life synagogue shooter and the guy who shot up a grocery store in Buffalo. That’s just a few of the ones I remember off tbd top of my head.

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  8. 17 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

    Interesting idea. I wouldn’t agree that it’s a class thing per se, but Ezra Klein directly called Charlie Kirk one of “us,” in a list that included Ben Shapiro, and said he wanted Kirk to be safe for his project for the sake of his (Klein’s) own project.

    For the record I found Charlie Kirk‘s politics appalling (no surprise) and even dangerous on basically every level. But I agree with Ezra Klein about how he conducted them: in the open, transparently, with words. In a healthy Republic you don’t die for that

    in any case there’s no getting around the fact that he’s a martyr now and the convergent narrative on the right is that they tried to reason with the rest of America, and his murder  is just another sign that the time for civil disagreement is coming to an end.

    And if I’m being honest it’s hard to disagree, which is why this feels like a pretty big deal. Going back to my previous point- it doesn’t really matter if the assassin was a “ radical leftist” who wanted to shut up Charlie Kirk, or if it was a right winger who wanted him to be a martyr, or a rogue element who wanted to accelerate chaos as a pretext for authoritarian crackdown, or even just a lone nut. The direction of travel is the same. 

    I agree with this. I don't agree that that's an accurate characterization of what Kirk actually did though. He wasn't a right wing Ezra Klein, he was much closer to Joseph Goebbels. He actively encouraged harassment and threats against his political opponents and even helped organize transportation for insurrections to the capitol on January 6th. To see guys like Klein pretend otherwise is fucking bizarre. 

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