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Posts posted by wildcat09
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Just now, GRHorn said:
Everybody is getting bailed out eventually in the fallout.
This might be dumber than anything EMAW has ever posted. We're literally going to work people to death rather than pay them unemployment.
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18 minutes ago, gmr548 said:
All that is great but it doesn't address the point. Millions do not have that choice. This debate really shows how far we've strayed from a sense of common good.
You argument for opening up is basically "this government is never going to get up to speed," and while I absolutely agree with that, your solution is a law more worker/consumer-friendly than anything passed in the US in the past 50 years.
So it's unrealistic to demand the government to meet its own guidance when it comes to reopening, but we should have law that tells corporations to go fuck themselves. Jlawokay.gif.
Here in reality, where the government will continue to attempt to please corporations first and foremost, workers will not have that choice. Many will be faced with going on when they have rain to feel unsafe, or losing their income in an impossible job market. I'm glad you can hold off on the flying though. I guess that means we're ready.There's merit to the argument that all of us yelling "STAY THE FUCK AT HOME" have that luxury, but the critics of that argument tend to be people who also have that luxury. If you look at the polls, nobody who works a real goddamned job is itching at the bit to get back to work, regardless of their dire financial situations, because they know the danger and they know their financial situations will be even more fucked if they get sick. The overwhelming majority of the "REOPEN!!!!" crowd are retired or near-retired boomers who want to be able to force someone to wait on them at Cracker Barrel.
There's actually an easy solution to the problem that a lot of people need money that doesn't require taking the risk of everyone getting sick: just pay them. We should be paying everyone who can stay home to stay home until the government is able to stand up a workable testing and tracing system, and we should be paying the people who have to work the essential jobs hazard pay. And if they get sick, we should cover their health care. Instead, we're using the threat of cutting them off from unemployment to force everyone back to work in dangerous conditions, with nothing remotely close to the containment capability that we need in place, and we're telling their employers not to worry about maintaining safe working conditions because they'll get immunity for killing their employees.
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1 hour ago, Rougarou said:
On an individual level I don't see the problem: Most people are just going to continue to stay home for a bit and let those really chomping at the bit (whether it be legitimate or they are dumb chuds) get out and be the canaries in the coal mine. After a month or so the rest of us will take a decision on whether to re-emerge from our privileged caves stockpiled with toilet paper, frozen ribeyes in our third freezer, and back-to-back-to-back-to-back--to-back zoom meetings or to bunker down for another 6 weeks.
Nobody is stopping you from staying home and avoiding the risk.
If the argument is, "but Rougarou, this is just going to cause a Round 2 with a spike due to not having testing and contact tracing and will delay a better opening of the cities/economy", I say to you, you are pinning your hopes on something that won't happen and you are trying to make others prove a negative a la Russell's teapot. There is not enough reasonable evidence based on the historical actions of our government to reasonably expect that come July, or whatever date you might have in your mind, we will have the processes and tools in place. Maybe we have been witnessing and following different governments, but that has been my experience. So if that is your argument, I say it's a bad one for keeping us locked down.
If your argument is more akin to "no broken eggs is worth the omelette" from a moral and ethical values consideration, and even 1 death from coronavirus is too big a cost to rebuild/re-normalize our way of life, then I can jive with that. I'm not seeing a lot of that, however, and it would be a rare and hard to maintain stance indeed. I think that is why and how we've seen some really clumsy attempts at analogizing roadway deaths by vehicles (which hits close to home as someone who has used this time in quarantine to do online defensive driving) and the common flu as a way to try and have a mainstreet conversation about risk management and tolerance. The problem is that Dr. Oz is a quack and Dr. Phil a chud who raised a weirdo and the huddled masses they are trying to communicate to aren't much better.
I'm curious, what do you do for a living?
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7 hours ago, EMAWesome said:
I'm tempted to spin this off into it's own thread but it would probably get less views than sticking it here. I double dog dare anyone to make a counter argument to Carlson's claims.
Man, this got demolished quicker than normal. I don't think you get how dares are supposed to work.
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Love to stan for a guy who was operating illegally as a foreign agent while holding the most important national security post in the country.
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4 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:
I honestly don't know if you meant this as a joke or not.
I did not.
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19 minutes ago, GopherRock said:
That ain't gonna mean shit when the packers can't keep their employees healthy.
They’ll conscript prison labor.
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Like I give half a shit about the Alfa server. I know what happened. You know what happened. Everyone with a functioning brain knows what happened. What makes me uncomfortable is that he got away with it and there will be no justice, and the fact that he was able to abuse his power to get away with it puts the lie to the concept that there is any such thing as justice for all in America.
You’re pissed off that FBI agents acted like FBI agents while investigating a traitor who was running for president. If the worry is “if they can do it to him they can do it to anyone,” I’ve got some bad news for you about the entire history of the FBI. If the worry is “if they can do it to him, he can use them to do it to his enemies,” I’ve got some bad news for you about the entire history of law enforcement cooperation with fascists all over the world.
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1 hour ago, workswithseed said:
Well here's the thing is"Democrat Party" is the god damned name of the party.
It’s not good when you start to believe your own bullshit.
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Anastasis is really mad that we know that Trump’s campaign was coordinating with Russian intelligence, even though he got away with it because he was able to successfully obstruct the investigation. That’s really all his probably 250 posts in this thread boil down to.
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10 minutes ago, GRHorn said:
Can you cite a professional organization that disagrees with staged reopening of the economy?
His assessment was that the majority of his patient population is unable to practice distancing, thus he saw the bulk of what it would have been without it. I don’t know enough about the demographics of his community to know either way.
There is enough PPE for elective surgeries. It’s reassessed on a daily basis here. There are procedures to minimize transmission.
Your last sentence here is correct. Nothing is static about this. Things can be tweaked as needed. But maintaining the status quo in a lot of areas, like Texas, is unnecessary.
Do you have a breakdown of antibody testing by borough? He’s stating that of those tested in Bronx, 43% were positive.
Yeah, I didn’t get that either.
How are you a doctor but don't get how stupid this is?
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4 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:
I mean, it's clear he has completely lost his mind right? I don't really see how there could be a debate about that. If we re-elect him (legitimately), it just shows we don't give a collective fuck about ourselves.
When have we ever?
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2 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:
I'm not talking about failed GOP regulation/deregulation programs. I'm talking big picture Liberal/Conservative, not Democrat/GOP.
Part of my post about needing a conservative party is a big C conservative party, not the fucking GOP. You have no idea what Conservative actually means because we haven't had a Conservative party in 20-30-40 years.
I remain a big C conservative to moderate, not blindly oppose, the wonderful government solutions to everything that the Liberals are going to propose. Recent GOP attempts to be actually Conservative have been mostly a failure, if they were even actually Conservative to begin with. It doesn't mean that a healthy distrust of government is a bad thing. Nor does it mean that the market is the solution for everything.
I’m confused why you’re referring to that type of conservatism as big C conservative, not small c conservative.
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27 minutes ago, TommyGufano said:
I totally forgot about this story. That was like two months after Trump was actually part of Wrestlemania. So it’s not just that he was an idiot who thought that WWE was real, he actually had personal experience to know that it was fake, and yet, just a couple months after that he saw Vince “die” on tv and thought it was real.
He quite literally lacks object permanence and thinks anything that’s on his tv is real. Thank god he’s addicted to cable news coverage of himself. If he flipped the channel to a political thriller he probably would’ve nuked China already.
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42 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:
What I love about these pics (aside from her being clearly out of fucks to give) are the ages of the people involved. These nurses look to be in their 20's and 30's while the protestors are old whites named Karen and Larry.
This country will be fine in the future.
Every generation thinks that. You know what happens when the olds die off? Young people become old and start to act like stupid fucking old people.
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7 minutes ago, Gap03 said:
I hear ya, but you gotta think about the volume of fuckers that deserve to go for the last 3+ years. We can't just have bodies hanging around when so many still deserve their due. Unless we can get gibbets production ramped up quickly, we're going to need something with more throughput.
I’ve heard about this cool statute called the Defense Production Act that we could use if we needed a lot of something really quickly.
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4 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:
This is probably correct and we should be sharpening the guillotines.
Gibbets, man. Gibbets. Guillotines are too quick for people who saw a pandemic incoming and only recognized an opportunity to profit from killing Americans.
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2 hours ago, huge said:
but wait
Is every billionaire really a policy failure?
What about the ones that vote D?
(ducks out with the quickness)
Name one.
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31 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:
Tell her not to vote then.
Oh that was my immediate response.
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15 hours ago, Hank Kingsley said:
This is absolutely inexcusable by the fucking Biden campaign. And they haven't hired a single digital staffer since the corona shutdown last month.
Keep an eye on the overall larger issue that Biden's campaign staff is REALLY weak. They did absolutely jack shit to secure him the nomination. He didn't spend a penny in post-Super Tuesday states that he dominated.
Biden's digital director is a Beto 2019 alum. The guy sucks. Biden's campaign manager is a Beto 2019 alum. What are they doing? What are they waiting for? It seems like they're so proud to be on the winning campaign that they forgot to actually put in the work.
Absolute fucking malpractice.
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My mom has never admitted it to me but I’m pretty sure she voted for Trump, but Fox News wears her out (my stepdad has it on all the time) and I talk with her enough that she knows how horrible Trump is. She’s also known a few narcissists in her life so gets that he’s profoundly broken in all of the most dangerous ways a president can be. And she’s said she won’t vote for him in November (she’s still mum on whether she continues to support the GOP generally). But the last time I talked with her, she said “I’m just not sure I can vote for Joe Biden.” No reason given.
That’s what we’re dealing with. Even the educated center-right conservatives who only reluctantly voted for Trump in 2016 and now regret that decision for some reason just can’t bring themselves to vote for a democrat, even Joe Biden. I want to believe there’s some on the margins that are actually gettable, but I’m not seeing it.
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2 minutes ago, Revolution512 said:
You’re a fucking idiot, a very special one. Congrats, that takes talent.
I'm not the one that said the problem with the pandemic response was finger pointing.
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12 minutes ago, Revolution512 said:Maher didn’t have his audience and he was caught flat footed.
I don’t think either side should brag about who knew what and did what. That’s the fucking problem. Endless finger pointing. The head of senate intel was an absolute piece of shit on this.
Bullshit. The fucking problem isn't that Dems criticized Trump, it's that Trump knew and did nothing and nearly 50,000 Americans have already died as a result. Fuck you and fuck your bothsides bullshit.
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Wasn’t he going to keep spending money running ads against trump? What happened to that? Now seems like a perfect time to blanket the airwaves with ads highlighting how badly Trump has fucked up the covid response, what with everyone being stuck at home and in front of tvs all day. Surely he couldn’t have been lying?
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Would Trump Warn Biden of a plot to kill hi with coronavirus APRIL 28, 2020?
in Cloak Room
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"And Donald, if you don't like poison you can always have them thrown out a very high window!"