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horncyclist

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  1. It wasnt a loss, except for our country. You are delusional if you think that report is good for Trump.
  2. It's alright y'all Mitt Romney's concerned. Now let's get some of that signature Susan Collins concern and we'll be good.
  3. It'd be great if the moron could show the slightest amount of contrition too.
  4. Thanks. I mean just the exchange at the initial meeting seems enough to reach and understanding re: sanction relief in exchange for election help. Those actions are not insignificant.
  5. Were the details of what they offered on Hillary and Juniors statement that they could revisit the sanctions if they won, news? I hadn't seen those details reported. Seems significant. There was plenty evidence that the Campaign welcomed the help and would provide softening of sanctions in exchange. This is without knowing the details of some of the significant follow up conversations.
  6. I'm not sure if I see the downside at this point. You're going to be investigating all this shit anyway. Follow the constitutional process, put all the evidence out there and let Trump and his party defend this shit. Make them go on record against the rule of law.
  7. in my mind, continuing to accept overtures and solicit help from Russia, knowing they were actively trying to interfere in the election, plus the various pro-Russia policies Trump has pushed is enough to establish something deeply wrong and deserving of removal of Trump from office. You can call it whatever you want-- collusion, tacit cooperation, willful blindness, negligence in failing to report or deter the actions of Russia. If the conduct was found to not be illegal because we do not have laws addressing that specific conduct, then we need to pass new laws to address it in the future. It is wrong, undemocratic, and unamerican, even it is not illegal today. Moreover, I think the report caveats the findings of its investigation and in no way rules out the possibility of a broader conspiracy. We still do not know what Trump and Putin have discussed in their private meetings. Is there proof of an agreement there? What about all the lies to cover this up? What about obstructing an investigation designed to get to the bottom of the greatest attack on democracy in history? I am firmly in the impeachment camp, call it what it is: high crimes and misdemeanors. Let the traitorous republicans defend it.
  8. Every statement in this is inaccurate.
  9. Dude. Trump asked Putin about and Putin denied it. What more can you do?
  10. Maybe. Maybe not. Also considering all the Russian contacts and lying spelled out in the report, what the fuck happened in Helsinki? What is Putin holding over Trump? We do not know. Putin knows. We do not know.
  11. Then put it on Republicans for standing by this traitor.
  12. I get the political calculation Dems are making, but considering what we learned today, how do you in good conscience allow Trump to continue to sit in the oval office? It's time to act, political risk be damned. Our constitution gives us a mechanism to deal with this. Time to use it
  13. This seems really damning for Trump...and Barr. What's the surly consensus? What happens now?
  14. On this beautiful spring morning, a reminder that --apart from what we learn from Mr. Mueller -- the President is essentially an unindicted coconspirator in felony campaign finance violations to which his personal attorney pled guilty. Most corrupt administration in history. Let's stand for the the rule of law today.
  15. How long until DOTUS tweets about democrats not giving to charity?
  16. It means about 111 people donated the max $2700 for the primary and general. Meh.
  17. Even if he owes because of mistake he was previously unaware of , just pay it and move on. We're allowed to make a mistake on our taxes because we relied on software that was outdated. Meanwhile, we have a criminal sitting in the oval office. Let's have some perspective.
  18. I don't think this is accurate. I think Sanders and Beto alone outraised them.
  19. I hope that's right. It certainly failed in the midterms. I'm going to everything in my power to stand against it.
  20. I'm not intentionally trying to avoid the question on political correctness. I'm just trying to think of the best example, because I know whatever I say you're going to tear it apart and attack me for it. Political correctness is too narrow. I support the recent social advances the left has pushed, LGBTQ equality, racial and gender inequality, metoo, etc, taking people to task on opposing those goals is fine. Generally what I'm getting at is knowingly and falsely attributing malevolent intentions to someone's words without considering their intention and engaging with them on a substantive level. This article attacking Obama as a hypocrit for encouraging young black men to not put too much value in material things and ostentatious consumption. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/23/opinion/my-brothers-keeper-obama.html. I'll try to come up with more and better examples. Again, I didn't want this thread to be about that. I want it to be about the mainstreaming of overt racism, islamophobia, etc., as a political tactic, and and attacking others in bad-faith to further those tactics.
  21. I think you're missing my point. What I'm trying to say here and in the demagoguery thread is that Trump is normalizing intentional lies and misrepresentations, including racist ones for political purposes. I think this is happening at a differnt scale than we've ever seen in the past. But I say that taking into account Willie Horton, Birth of a Nation, and on back through history. There's a difference between debating whether someone is a racist-- he is-- and debating if he's able to use racism in a new way, or one not seen at this level since Hitler. I'm trying to do the latter, you seem to think it's enough to stop at the former. Is that it? I just don't understand what you're trying to do on here. Do you think you're going to bring people to your views by being a dickish contrarian?
  22. You don't think this is how he got elected? His first speech was calling Mexicans rapists. The lies and demagoguery is intentional designed to achieve political goals. Do you disagree with me? Is the argument whether Trump is intentionally using racism to gain political support and happens to be a racists, or if he's just a racist and so he can't also consciously act in bad faith? I don't understand the disagreement. God, you can be a beating.
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