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horncyclist

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  1. in my mind, continuing to accept overtures and solicit help from Russia, knowing they were actively trying to interfere in the election, plus the various pro-Russia policies Trump has pushed is enough to establish something deeply wrong and deserving of removal of Trump from office. You can call it whatever you want-- collusion, tacit cooperation, willful blindness, negligence in failing to report or deter the actions of Russia. If the conduct was found to not be illegal because we do not have laws addressing that specific conduct, then we need to pass new laws to address it in the future. It is wrong, undemocratic, and unamerican, even it is not illegal today. Moreover, I think the report caveats the findings of its investigation and in no way rules out the possibility of a broader conspiracy. We still do not know what Trump and Putin have discussed in their private meetings. Is there proof of an agreement there? What about all the lies to cover this up? What about obstructing an investigation designed to get to the bottom of the greatest attack on democracy in history? I am firmly in the impeachment camp, call it what it is: high crimes and misdemeanors. Let the traitorous republicans defend it.
  2. Every statement in this is inaccurate.
  3. Dude. Trump asked Putin about and Putin denied it. What more can you do?
  4. Maybe. Maybe not. Also considering all the Russian contacts and lying spelled out in the report, what the fuck happened in Helsinki? What is Putin holding over Trump? We do not know. Putin knows. We do not know.
  5. Then put it on Republicans for standing by this traitor.
  6. I get the political calculation Dems are making, but considering what we learned today, how do you in good conscience allow Trump to continue to sit in the oval office? It's time to act, political risk be damned. Our constitution gives us a mechanism to deal with this. Time to use it
  7. This seems really damning for Trump...and Barr. What's the surly consensus? What happens now?
  8. On this beautiful spring morning, a reminder that --apart from what we learn from Mr. Mueller -- the President is essentially an unindicted coconspirator in felony campaign finance violations to which his personal attorney pled guilty. Most corrupt administration in history. Let's stand for the the rule of law today.
  9. How long until DOTUS tweets about democrats not giving to charity?
  10. It means about 111 people donated the max $2700 for the primary and general. Meh.
  11. Even if he owes because of mistake he was previously unaware of , just pay it and move on. We're allowed to make a mistake on our taxes because we relied on software that was outdated. Meanwhile, we have a criminal sitting in the oval office. Let's have some perspective.
  12. I don't think this is accurate. I think Sanders and Beto alone outraised them.
  13. I hope that's right. It certainly failed in the midterms. I'm going to everything in my power to stand against it.
  14. I'm not intentionally trying to avoid the question on political correctness. I'm just trying to think of the best example, because I know whatever I say you're going to tear it apart and attack me for it. Political correctness is too narrow. I support the recent social advances the left has pushed, LGBTQ equality, racial and gender inequality, metoo, etc, taking people to task on opposing those goals is fine. Generally what I'm getting at is knowingly and falsely attributing malevolent intentions to someone's words without considering their intention and engaging with them on a substantive level. This article attacking Obama as a hypocrit for encouraging young black men to not put too much value in material things and ostentatious consumption. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/23/opinion/my-brothers-keeper-obama.html. I'll try to come up with more and better examples. Again, I didn't want this thread to be about that. I want it to be about the mainstreaming of overt racism, islamophobia, etc., as a political tactic, and and attacking others in bad-faith to further those tactics.
  15. I think you're missing my point. What I'm trying to say here and in the demagoguery thread is that Trump is normalizing intentional lies and misrepresentations, including racist ones for political purposes. I think this is happening at a differnt scale than we've ever seen in the past. But I say that taking into account Willie Horton, Birth of a Nation, and on back through history. There's a difference between debating whether someone is a racist-- he is-- and debating if he's able to use racism in a new way, or one not seen at this level since Hitler. I'm trying to do the latter, you seem to think it's enough to stop at the former. Is that it? I just don't understand what you're trying to do on here. Do you think you're going to bring people to your views by being a dickish contrarian?
  16. You don't think this is how he got elected? His first speech was calling Mexicans rapists. The lies and demagoguery is intentional designed to achieve political goals. Do you disagree with me? Is the argument whether Trump is intentionally using racism to gain political support and happens to be a racists, or if he's just a racist and so he can't also consciously act in bad faith? I don't understand the disagreement. God, you can be a beating.
  17. I didn't say there's not a difference between the two of you. I said you're both proving my point, which is it's become acceptable to unapologeticly engage in bad-faith, intellectual dishonest tactics in political discussion. You immediately distorted my post to undermine the discussion I was trying to start. Then accused me of not being left enough.
  18. He can be racist and engaging in these tactics to drive us apart. I think he's primary motive with this is to gin up the base. It's going to continue for the next 19 months. It's who he is.
  19. Dude I'm a public servant making one quarter what I could in the private sector who supports major tax overhauls to tax the rich and corporations more, vigorous defense of civil liberties, and universal healthcare. I am the left. And the deep state to boot. I was just trying to prompt a discussion. And yes, I think political correctness can disrupt political discourse. Do you not? You, along with OB, are proving my point, which is frightening. edit to add: I didn't quote the parts of the article about Trump's distortions because they should be so fucking obvious.
  20. When he said that we all knew the people were terrible, evil people, not "folks." Tough I'm not sure if we knew they were muslim yet, though, so maybe you're right, "folks" is correct there, innocent until proven guilty and all. You never answered my question: Do you honestly believe what you're saying or are you doing it to score political points?
  21. The goal is absolutely to drive us apart. Or, more accurately, to use fear to drive people to the polls to vote against candidates they otherwise would support. That's the whole point of these politics. Both responses are correct and Beto in person focused on Omar:
  22. I posted the wrong Vulvarine tweet in my original post. Meant to post this one, with another out of context clip of Congresswoman Omar. Honestly, just looking at the clip, I can't understand the point she's trying to make or why Ted Cruz wants me to be outraged about it. I think she's talking about how names like Al Qaeda and Hezbollah-- and how they're said--are used for fearmongering but there's no way to figure it out from the clip. I think James Woods and Ted Cruz might be trying to suggest those names are revered in a way "America" is not? No clue.
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