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hobbes2702

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  1. 33 minutes ago, 'stache said:

    I agree 100%, but politically, there are tons of "moderate" people who vote democrat (hence Joe Biden), who would be turned off by an aggressive response like that, and it is a political reality that must be considered. I want the democrats to be more progressive, but I'll take the most moderate democrats in office over anyone associated with today's gop. I want to see justice served severely here, but I understand if the response remains tepid.

    Fuck that. The choices are the Dems, progressive or not, or actual sedition. If a voter still chooses sedition then fuck em. We can win without them.

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  2. 7 minutes ago, Cheeseweasel said:

    I'm open for suggestions.

    Milner, Henderson, Gini. Literally anyone else on the squad. I don’t care if they are out of position. He isn’t physically capable of playing at this level with the way we play. He just isn’t.

  3. 3 minutes ago, burntorangebongos said:

    If they had thought to get to the ballot boxes as the "objective" of breaking into the capitol, they would have succeeded in delaying or causing a mistrust of what were the certified counts. I don't believe they thought further than mayhem and punishing Pence for their dear leader but that would have really borked things if they had gotten to the certified ballot boxes. 

    The dudes with zip tie cuffs, people with pipe bombs, Molotov cocktail guy, and those who built the gallows in the grounds all clearly had thoughts further than mayhem.

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  4. Just now, The Hot Dog Buffet said:

    In most of the videos I have seen, people in that mob were screaming that they want to kill the people that the secret service agents were there to protect. The agents were clearly visible through the door and were telling the mob not to come through. It would have been criminal not to shoot that lady as soon as she passed through that door. The threat of lethal force doesn't deter anyone if they believe the threat to be empty.

    I honestly cannot believe this discussion is still fucking happening.

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  5. 31 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

    That's a better analysis than most.

    Because most analysis around here I think was "Trumpkin=traitor/treason=summary death penalty."

    I'm no fan of Trump or Trumpkins, so those accusations are fucking absurd.

    I agree that their actions were traitorous.

    My first impression was that she was shot mostly at random, most especially when I thought it was the dude with the M4.  I still have a nagging feeling that one of the armed types, with flexcuffs and shit was probably a better candidate for the summary death penalty.

    I agree that more force should have been used with them, short of deadly force.  Gas, riot batons, asps, bring it on.

    I'm never going to be satisfied with the "kill all Trumpkins, let God sort em out" sentiment that permeates this thread.

    Sorry if that offends someone.

    That’s a wild misinterpretation of the views of this thread and you know it. 

    30 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

    That is 100% bullshit said just to make yourself feel better and you know it.

    This.

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  6. 3 minutes ago, BearSchlong said:

    Yeah, recently found out his nickname for my daughter while she was in high school was "Tits on a stick".

     

    Ummm, you should not let your daughter around that person

    1 minute ago, DDD Dad said:

    Sometimes you just have to keep 'em separated.

    I'm not gonna put words in his mouth, but at some point I figure he's just throwing up his hands trying to keep it all together here (i.e., in letting the cheeseweasels and chickensandwiches have their own snowglobe).

    They don’t have to post about politics. No one forced them to come to cloak room, get butt hurt, and takeover a non political forum for their safe space. 

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  7. Just now, DDD Dad said:

     

    I know blacklab personally.  He is a good guy, and he really hates political shit flinging.  There's a place for political discourse, and many of us are able to keep our discussions there.  Some simply can't or won't.  If he's putting you in a time out it's because you can't follow the rules someone bitched to him about it.  

    Except that entire forum is political. It’s not about shit flinging it’s about a safe space.

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  8. Just now, CDAK said:

    I can't respond to all the comments. I can reiterate my position one more time. You're justifying the deadly force with all the comments about secret service, secured area, etc. That's a separate argument from whether they used more or less force compared to other protests. Killing someone is a higher level of force than hitting 100 with a baton in my opinion. Fee free to disagree as Hobbes did.

    Yea this is bullshit equivocation and you can fuck off.

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  9. 1 minute ago, CDAK said:

    This is justification for a higher use of force, which may have been necessary (I don't know). But it's in tension with the guy's point that the cops used less force against the Trump protestors. 

    Your first sentence is interesting. I wonder if a smaller police presence results in more shootings.

    They used deadly force on one person and minimal force on the rest of the mob. The comparison isn’t close. The difference in how this was treated vs how the BLM was treated is obvious and stark and fuck anyone equivocating 

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  10. 8 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

    Yeesh.

    I consistently underestimate the malevolence of these people, but I still have to think they're too cowardly/larpy to actually execute someone.

    There is probably the odd psychopath in there that would, but I think for the majority of them, actually killing someone is a bit too real for them.

    They showed up armed, with zip ties, and seized the floors of Congress. How much more real does it need to get?

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