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Posts posted by hobbes2702
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2 minutes ago, Hate said:
I’m not going back to see if anyone else posted this or not, but LeBron basically had a bye all the way to the Finals all those years in the East. None of those Cleveland teams make the Finals in the West and maybe 2 of those Miami teams do.And he was apparently the only player in NBA history to figure out how to do that.
Also if you think Miami wouldn’t make the finals with the big 3 then I’m not sure what you were watching.
Amd which Cleveland teams do you think would miss out? Surely not the ones with Kyrie and Love on them?
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2 minutes ago, Hank_Hill said:
Fans clamoring for the coaches head after 7 games might be yea.
Why are you under the impression that’s unique to our fanbase?
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5 minutes ago, Hank_Hill said:
Love the attitude here in year 1. This is why we can’t land elite coaches. That loss sucked ass but Jesus.
I’m sure fans commenting on a message board is why we can’t land elite coaches. Makes senae
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12 minutes ago, David Dennison said:
No. This is exactly what he's always been as a head coach.
I voted yes but this is the real answer
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14 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:
I'm losing faith in Sark quickly.
But I think the guy is really having a hard time adjusting to how shitty our roster is, and how thin.
He's just thinking the next guy up can execute, when the first guy up couldn't execute, and neither could most of the other 10 first guys up.
He should already know that and have a plan to deal with it. And our roster isn’t great but it’s certainly better than Arkansas and OkSt.
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1 minute ago, hookem48 said:
oh for fuck's sake he ran #5 all day, we don't run screens because our oline can't fucking do it
Bijan had 24 total touches. That’s just not enough when we have no offense
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Two weeks in a row of us absolutely choking on both sides of the ball
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8 minutes ago, HookEm said:
How many titles did KAJ win as the best player on a team?
This is why I think Lebron and MJ are clearly the top two. There’s not many contenders for the 2nd spot and all others have much bigger questions than Lebron imo.
KAJ had Magic as the best player for 3 of his finals.
Magic played with Kareem and Worthy and couldn’t score like the other contenders.
Bill dominated but the game was different and Wilt was probably still better than he was at least in pure skill.
Wilt lost to Bill for the title a lot.
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I’ll go,
Rushmore : MJ, Lebron, Russell, KAJ
I could see both Magic or Wilt over their contemporaries. To me though those 6 guys are the top 6 pretty easily. Larry is 7, Tim is 8, Hakeem Is 9. But I think the top 6 are pretty clear from the rest.
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2 minutes ago, Patrick Bateman said:
Because it's fucking debatable. Not Bird but at least 3 other players can challenge Lebron and at least two others have better cases.....
You know what that’s fair and I should rephrase. I’m not sure why anyone would attempt to debate that Larry is better or greater than Lebron because he simply is not.
That said I disagree that anyone has a better case than him for #2. I think KAJ could have an argument but that’s about it in my mind.
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1 minute ago, maninblack said:
You did and still have done nothing to address Joe Rogan. Attack me for whatever you see fit but it doesn't change the fact that you've got bigger issues if a podcast host gets under your skin for opinions that don't align with yours but people in power being continuously wrong does nothing for you.
Ok then. I don’t even care about the Joe Rogan debate. I’m asking why you can’t seem to post with accuracy.
And the people being wrong in power revise their opinions when data comes out. The people who you are allowing to form your opinions for you do not.
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11 minutes ago, ztejas said:
Hobbes fucked with me enough once upon a time for me to ignore him but I'm rescinding that because he's making all of my points for me here.
I like to argue after a couple old fashioneds. Sorry I’m not sorry lol
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Just now, maninblack said:
Sure. I remember specifically telling in 2011 we had troops in Syria and you calling me crazy. Don't worry man we're on opposite sides of the tracks but my critical thinking skills are perfectly fine.
I honestly doubt that I had any opinions about Syria in 2011. World affairs wasn’t exactly something I cared about then but ok. That doesn’t change the question. Why do you post things that are untrue, are easily refutable, and then double down on them? You didn’t always do that.
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10 hours ago, maninblack said:
You always throw this out like it's a crutch. Address the issue at hand
The issue at hand is your critical thinking skills disappearing in the last 5 years
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Dude MiB honestly what the fuck happened to you?
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5 minutes ago, shadow_operative said:
there are shit tons of football people who believe that Aaron Rodgers is the best QB in the NFL, and that he has been the best QB in the NFL for years. none of those people think he's greater than Tom Brady. that's not "threading the needle with semantics", it's differentiating between talent and greatness.
to use a different football analogy, this Bird vs LeBron thing feels a lot like arguing about Jerry Rice vs Randy Moss.
We aren’t comparing players that currently play against each other where one is significantly older than the other. Lebron is more dominant, has better stats, has been to more, has won more finals, has more MVPs, made more 1st team all defense, made more all nba.
Yea except Lebron is Jerry Rice with Randy Moss’ gifts and Bird is neither of them-
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1 minute ago, shadow_operative said:
i think that winning titles more than you lose them is definitive of someone's greatness, and i don't think it's a ridiculous take at all, in fact i'm quite secure in that line of reasoning.
Ok dude. Have fun with that. Larry’s 3-2 record in the finals is Herculean lol.
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2 minutes ago, shadow_operative said:
well i think that everything you've just said is dumb, but we can agree to disagree. you think talent and greatness are the same thing, i fundamentally disagree, and that's ok.
No I think talents combined with results with 20 years worth of them is pretty definitive of someone’s greatness. Seriously man I’m sorry but this is a ridiculous take
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1 minute ago, shadow_operative said:
it's not an excuse, it's a fact. youve pointed to the fact he's made the finals a bunch, and i've pointed out the fact that the deck was stacked for him to do so, and that when he finally played the teams in the West he lost more than he won. i don't define losing most of the championships you play in as "having more success than others" in this debate.
I define 10 finals trips, 4 rings, as more success and greater than 5 trips, 3 rings. Seems straightforward
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2 minutes ago, shadow_operative said:
here's the quote:
There is no rationale argument for Bird being better than LeBron. None.
well, if Larry would routinely beat LBJ in a game of 1 on 1, that's a decent place to start re: "is there any chance that Player A is better than Player B?"
im not sure why so many are having trouble with the verbiage here. is LeBron a better player than Larry? yeah, he is. his athleticism and strength takes him over the top. do i have him ahead of Larry on my all-time greatest list? no, i don't, for listed reasons (not great in the Finals, can't shoot FTs, just not a great shooter in general). talent and greatness are two different things.
I dunno why you get yourself boiled down into these semantical arguments. Lebron is better than Larry. Lebron is greater than Larry. To attempt to thread some kind of needle around the difference in those two words is just dumb.
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1 minute ago, shadow_operative said:
sure. be born with the body of a fucking Thenn, grow up in an age of insane medical and technological advancements, and then play GM everywhere you go.
you act like i said he suxks when we're talking about two of the top ~5 players ever. if you're going to harp on how many Finals he made it to like it's some crowning achievement, i'm going to point out the fact that he did it in a terrible conference and would never have done the same thing playing in the West.
So why didn’t anyone else decide to play GM or play in the East instead of West. You can give all the excuses you want for why he’s been successful but he’s been more successful than others. Which is what we are talking about here.
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1 minute ago, ztejas said:
Eh. I'm not doing this. I love Larry. He's eye to eye with Duncan for me and obviously I'm biased there. LeBron is cut from a different cloth than those two.
I respect your position I just disagree on most of it.
Fuck Lebron but he’s the 2nd best ever and this is a ridiculous debate.
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Just now, shadow_operative said:
he's been there 10 times because he's spend 95% of his career in an absolutely garbage eastern conference while having the best team in the East by a mile, year after year after year. put LeBron in the West during his career and it's not even remotely similar. he doesn't get a prize for dominating a shit conference and then constantly losing against the actually good conference.
and again- where even is his legacy without that Ray Allen shot? one of his few wins coming out of the East is 100% because of a Ray Allen shot which followed a bad LeBron miss. the guy is a dominant player, it he isn't some great champion.
Well I’m sure a ton of other players have figured out how to do the same thing right? I mean if just playing in a bad conference is the ticket then a ton of guys should have been to ten finals right?
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8 minutes ago, shadow_operative said:
reminder that i've posted in the very thread that LeBron might be the *best* basketball player ever, *and* that he's on my Mt.Rushmore, two things i did not say about Larry Bird. Still, as far as all-time greatness goes, i'll take Larry's resume and offensive genius over LBJ's roster meddling, GM-playing, still-below-.500-in-the-Finals (even with the Ray Allen shot, which came right after a LeBron brick), still-can't-shoot-FT's self and not bat an eye. he ability to win titles and to shoot the ball in clutch moments matters there.
He’s won more titles than Larry and taken his team to the finals more times.
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I get your point, but who would beat them other than the team that won the finals. That’s my point, all of the “east was so bad that’s why he made it”. Ok so who would eliminate them? The Thunder? Well they got stomped their one chance against the Heat and I don’t see anyway they beat the Cavs teams with Kyrie and Love. The Rockets? Maybe once but they didn’t ever show they were better than Lebrons Cleveland teams. The Spurs? They only had one player at the level of Lebron and once Kawhi went out they got dragged by GSW. I would just like to know which teams in the west would have supposedly kept Lebron out of the finals.