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  1. 10 minutes ago, Helobious said:

    She’s basically saying black people should shut up about changing things because black on black violence is a bigger problem. By that logic, they shouldn’t work on changing that either because heart disease is responsible for 4x as many black deaths per year as homicides are. 

    Yea once again there all different viewpoints on this issue and none of them are necessarily wrong but she comes off like she's not really willing to listen.

  2. 2 hours ago, Valmy77 said:

    I mean really? Are they really that upset about Jim Hogg, Robert Moore, George Littlefield and the Eyes of Texas? Surely something more sinister is going on here for them all to be taking this so personally.

    They are kids.  Kids today are all about instant gratification.  And when they don't get it they throw a fit on social media.  But hopefully the conversation is headed in the right direction.

  3. Everyone is just venting and nobody is listening.  You have to have a conversation from a similar starting point meaning agreeing on what the facts are not letting your opinion dominate the conversation.  Everyone is starting from opposite ends and not moving towards each other at all.  We are all guilty of it.

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  4. 1 minute ago, What? said:

    Well, that's a bit bit different then.  Yesterday the song was an issue to become foamy mouthed and spittle flecked over on your part.  You were withdrawing your vast wealth from the school. Now it's a trivial issue.  I'm glad you were able to change your perspective.

    Dude I never said I was withdrawing anything from the school.  I said I donate a lot of money every year so I felt my concerns were valid.  I never said I was going to stop giving money to the school.  And I don't have vast wealth.  You are assuming quite a lot.  

  5. 2 minutes ago, What? said:

    Pray tell, what have you added to the conversation?  Remembering, of course, that our exchange began over you denying that the Eyes of Texas was not an issue until you heard about it, regardless of past students' opinions which were documented over a decade ago, in addition to the opinion of former and current players. I know you have moved your goal posts so many times that your original point is indecipherable, but do not blame me for your blundering and lack of coherent viewpoint.

    I didn't blame you for anything.  And yes even though Ive changed my opinion that doesn't mean I didn't have anything of substance to add before I did.  I'm saying if you're going to continue to come after me over a trivial issue like the song then you have no interest in having dialogue.  You just want to smash people with different opinions than you.  Which on a message board I guess is fine but I'm not going to engage in conversation with you anymore if you have nothing of substance to add.

  6. 1 minute ago, What? said:

    But none of that is actually happening here, except perhaps in your hysterical worldview.

    It was but that's neither here nor there at this point.  Are you going to continue to come after me or be apart of having a productive conversation?  Because it sounds like its more important for you to be right at this moment than have anything of substance to add.

  7. 2 minutes ago, OU Sucks said:

    I mean, I agree that most players probably aren't going to do much more than what's on the list.  But other people can take over and make more meaningful changes and perhaps a few players will be more active later in life.  This is going to take decades to fix, if it's ever fixed at all.  But right now, if we can attempt to make black people feel welcome and at home at the University of Texas, that's a start.  Just imagine being black and having to stand there and sing a song that has questionable roots regarding your race.  I'm not black, but I know I wouldn't feel too great in that scenario.  This will all just get the ball rolling in the right direction.

    I think that's a real trivial thing to be upset about personally but like I said, not everyone has tough skin and thinks about things like that the way I do.  I think we have and continue to make this a place where people feel welcome based on the countless testimonies of friends, classmates, former players, and everyone involved.  The overall experience has been remarkably positive.  But I agree that it gets the ball rolling in the right direction.

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  8. Not that it doesn't exist to a certain degree, but the problem with white privilege is it's often used as a way to shut down conversation meaning you can't have an opinion on this topic because you are white which is absurd.  I just don't think that term is an effective way of having a productive dialogue about sensitive issues like these.  It alienates people who might otherwise agree with everything you say because it comes from a place of racial divide.

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  9. 3 minutes ago, OU Sucks said:

    I think the players do get the big picture, but they are just trying to change what is realistic for them to change for now.  These little things can foster conversation and thought (as you have discovered), and it can get the ball rolling for other universities to start improving small things, which can lead to bigger things and more understanding.

    I disagree because they don't seem to have a well laid out plan.  I still think this will die down in a few weeks and everyone is going to think job well done and it's over until the next time something bad happens.  Maybe they do, but I doubt it since they are kids.  If I know anything about today's 18-22 year olds, it's all about instant gratification.  And they will probably get that, and I'm afraid it will take something else horrible to exact actual change.  But hey, Rome wasn't built in a day.  

  10. After a deep conversation with myself and one of my friends, and examining my own unconscious bias, I have changed my opinion and come to the conclusion that systemic racism does exist.  Particularly in since of two things.  1.  The drug wars long lasting effects on the community.  2.  And politicians constantly zoning lower income predominantly black neighborhoods into the inner cities.  This has created a long lasting effect on the populations that grow up in these neighborhoods.  Not all obviously because I come from a similar lower class neighborhood in Southeast Dallas.  I should take notice that myself and my friends resilience to be able to come out of that isn't shared by everyone in that community and that's not their fault because they are set up to fail. You couple that with the other facts that most of the people I grew up around didn't have fathers and you have no direction and what seems like no hope.  So you are crippled before you even start the race. And I consider myself very lucky to have a father even though he was an abusive asshole.  I would like to continue the dialogue with a more open mind and heart going forward.  Sometimes even at my age I forget that I can't expect everyone to have the same attitude against the odds as I do no matter how helpful I think it might be.  However, I do think we are attacking this issue the wrong way and I still believe the kids are going for low hanging fruit but that's what kids do.  They don't understand the big picture yet and that's ok.  I also think systemic racism is a very amorphous term that's used in so many different ways that it kind of makes the argument unsustainable the way it's presented.  And I also stand by what I said that a lot of you are pandering and have too much white guilt because some of the things said have been absolutely ridiculous but I guess some of the things Ive said have been too.  I would suggest based on some of the responses Ive got,  y'all should do the same thing and have a deep conversation with yourselves.  And I think there are still far bigger issues at play facing the whole community.  In short, I always will support the team and the players.  It was never about shitting on them so much as it was the execution of the ideas.  Longhorn for life.  Hook Em.

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  11. 28 minutes ago, Goo Punch said:

    riiiiight. the black folks who were gerrymandered out of FDR's New Deal simply had no balls and just wanted to make excuses about "the system". Just a bunch of lazy blacks who needed to simply pull themselves up by their bootstraps and make it happen. same as the 1 million+ black men who served in WWII but were excluded from the GI Bill. buncha fucking pussies blaming "the system" when it's really all their fault. those lazy, ball-less blacks are no better than the blacks from South Central LA. I mean sure, the CIA introduced crack cocaine into black neighborhoods in LA, and then had the police/judicial system aggressively arrest and incarcerate them at insanely disproportionate rates, but that's no excuse for being addicted to crack, or taking advantage of *literally* the only chance you have to make enough money to escape the hood, right? fucking lazy ass black people making excuses all the time as if they haven't been treated exactly the same as whites since this country was founded. can't stand em. 

    That's really not what I meant by that but if you want to take that out into far left field then that's on you.

  12. 9 hours ago, What? said:

    The term Kulak does not designate an ethnicity. It is a Russian word for wealthy peasant, one wealthy enough to hire outside labor.  This exchange was often viewed as exploitative by poorer peasants, hence their extreme reaction when the Soviets came to power and emboldened this peasant underclass.  Before you exhort people to find out "more about that sort of thing," perhaps you should know what you are talking about first.  Trying to frame that period of history as an ethnic issue reveals a profound ignorance on the topic.  Also, comparing forced collectivization and resulting famine to losing your precious little song causes you to appear hysterical and detached from reality.  That's a textbook example of the slippery slope logical fallacy.  Nobody's "targeting" any specific ethnic group,  trying to laying collective guilt on any any group, or accusing any group of a crime.  A portion of the UT student body wants to discuss, among other things, changing a song that some view as having racial undertones. I'm not seeing a call for retribution against anyone in their requests.

    I'm aware of what it means.  Iv'e studied it extensively.  I wasn't trying to frame it as an ethnic issue.  I was trying to explain the danger of a collective mindset that subjugates guilt on a group of people.  It wasn't about comparing it to the song.  It was a response to saying America is full of white privilege.  That is targeting a specific group. If you can't understand that then you don't know what words mean.  You took everything I said completely out of context in what it was in response too.  It wasn't about the song shithead.  Btw I love how a song that everyone was fine singing and repping until recently becomes "my little song" once it becomes unpopular.  Apparently when it's wrong I have sole ownership.  That's rich.

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  13. 10 hours ago, Neonmoon said:

    In one sentence you say the idea of white privilege is reprehensible and then immediately agree that white people are born with certain advantages. What you're not seeing, and this is still the problem, is that you don't see how black Americans are treated unfairly compared to white people. You don't see it because you were never treated unfairly. You were told everyone is equal and if you want to get ahead, you just work hard. Which is true for you, but it is not true for them. And yes, it stems from systemic racism in the country. The majority group (the whites) previously owned the minority group (the blacks) and continue to subjugate them through racist acts. 

    I think we should have an education session

    What is systemic racism? 

    Redlining

    Broken Window Policing

    The Drug War

    It keeps going and going

    I think it's a pretty ignorant thing to say that I have never been treated unfairly especially on an individual level but I'll play along for now.  I will address all of those things in a little bit.

  14. 10 hours ago, David Dennison said:

    That type of long winded and frankly irrelevant apologia does nothing to explain America's ongoing racial disparities in incarceration, unemployment, home ownership, infant mortality, education, and net worth. 

     

    My post wasn't designed to take apart all of those things but I can go into greater detail about all of that and I will shortly.  It was designed to show you the madness of collective thinking attributing guilt to a whole group of people.

  15. 2 hours ago, JFKFC said:

    This is a stunning statement. It screams that you aren't well read. The evidence that black folks in our country are screwed over isn't just anecdotal. The evidence is vast. That you seem legitimately unaware of it is strange. 

     

    Perhaps you have reading comprehension problems. Perhaps you are an overt racist all lathered up for an internet tussle. Whatever brought you to this point, all of the vacuous posts in the world can't save you from yourself. Let's hope you never have kids to ruin, like your parents ruined you.

    I explained my case on this above but it doesn't sound like you bothered to read it.  What's ridiculous is you think you can just label someone a racist without any evidence of them being racist.  There is evidence that people of all races are screwed over to a certain degree but in the 21st century if you are born in America, you have way more privileges than people born anywhere else.  And the data doesn't back your claim.  This is what people do when they have no argument.  They label you as racist, hateful, etc.. if you don't agree with their point of view.  You are nothing more than a ideological bully and not a very intimidating one at that.

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  16. 24 minutes ago, OU Sucks said:

    Stop continually twisting my words and acting like it's what I've stated.  If you actually read what I said, why the fuck do you keep repeating shit like "And if someone has a subjective opinion other than the one the players have according to you they don't support the team."?  Nope, that wasn't my position, but feel free to keep repeating and repeating it.  I'm pretty sure you never even went to UT based on your miserable reading comprehension.

    You don't get it and that's ok I guess.  Adult conversation isn't for everyone.  I could say the same for you buddy.

  17. 41 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

    Is this where you seriously try to argue that being white in America doesn't come with privileges not afforded minorities?

    If you live in a first world country, particularly America, then we all have privileges.  The benefits of being born in the 21st century are that you are not necessarily held down by the social class you are born in.  You can start out as nothing and work your way into something regardless of race.  We have millionaires and even billionaires of all different races and backgrounds.  We had a black President not long ago.  Is affirmative action not a privilege?  So the people who invoke the myth of white privilege is really only pandering to gain sympathy.  It's used as a way for people who have no balls to do what they want to do in life to blame shit on the system as if the system is keeping them there and acting as they don't have the freedom to make changes.  And that kind of thinking is not race specific either.  I think the idea of white privilege is completely reprehensible.  And I'm not saying white people aren't born with certain advantages.  Most people have advantages in some way or another and you should be thankful for those advantages and work to deserve them.  But the idea that you can target an ethnic group with a collective crime regardless of the specific innocence or guilt of the constituent elements of that group, there is absolutely nothing that is more racist than that.  If you really wanna know more about that sort of thing you should read abut the Kulaks in the Soviet Union in the 1920's.  Because they were farmers who were the most productive people in agriculture in Russia and they were virtually all killed, raped, and robbed by the collectivists who insisted that because they showed signs of wealth that they were criminals.  One of the consequences of the prosecution of the Kulaks was the death of 6 million Ukrainians from famine in the 1930s.  The idea of collectively held guilt at the level of the individual as a legal or philosophical principle is dangerous.  It's precisely the sort of danger that people who are really looking for trouble would push.  Just a glance at 20th century history should tell anyone how horrible that is. The players have privileges too.  Because they are athletes they get free stuff all the time.  They dine well.  And let's be honest, a lot of them aren't playing here for free now.  And I'm not saying they shouldn't have those things because I believe they've earned them.  Using a term like white privilege is too vague because it's not just whites who have advantages in American society.  I often find that its used to shut down an argument meaning your opinion doesn't matter on this because you are white.  Being white doesn't inhibit the ability to use your brain and have a valid opinion.  I think that about covers it.

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  18. 36 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

    They want nothing of the sort. They want to be treated fairly. That means ending the privileges and special treatment long afforded white people in this country.

    That's such a tired and worthless argument troll.  Every group has privileges in different ways.  What special treatment?  You must be speaking for yourself or rich people.

  19. 57 minutes ago, OU Sucks said:

    Ooh, a mom joke.  My mom would've beat the shit outta you with your dumbass takes.  I didn't say that someone "someone doesn't support the players demands means they don't support the team", actually.  I said "You're not supporting the football/basketball team if you don't support them as people" in the context of a poster pretty much saying their opinions didn't matter since they are in the minority.  In other words, if the players are saying this is a big deal to them, take them for their word instead of downplaying their opinions or acting like they're invalid if they learned of the history of EOT just now.  Big difference, but nice work taking it out of context and twisting it to imply I said everyone needed to cave in to all the players' demands.

    Lol. She said you'd say that.  I know what the context was.  No one said they didn't fucking support them as people.  That is basically what your'e saying.  Anyone who has an opinion different than that according to you doesn't support them.  Which is the dumbest fucking thing Ive ever heard.  Yea I do take their word for it as in I believe they believe it is offensive.  But that's the deal with topics like these.  It's subjective.  And if someone has a subjective opinion other than the one the players have according to you they don't support the team.  Or if someone points out they are in the minority that thinks that way that they also don't support them as people.  You put your own standards  on how someone looks at someone personally based of a subjective opinion discussion.

     

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  20. 21 minutes ago, OU Sucks said:

    "Singing over" doesn't mean louder than, dumbass.  But thanks for taking it literally.  And please tell me about all the dumb shit I've said.  You have 161 posts, most of which are about possibly losing the song that you can't live without.

    Triggered. How about the fact that you shame other people for having an opposing view than yours?  You claim that because someone doesn't support the players demands means they don't support the team.  That's fucking retarded.  You can have your mom come pick you up now.  I'm almost finished with her.

  21. 6 minutes ago, OU Sucks said:

    When they change the song to a completely different song and you're singing EOT over it, can we call you retarded?

    You could.  Just like I could call you retarded for all the dumb shit you've said.  But it won't just be me.  Plus I don't know how I would be singing "over" it.  I don't have a voice that carries over a full college marching band and 100,000 people.  

  22. On 4/3/2020 at 8:52 AM, Neonmoon said:

    His players are a bunch of drama queens for getting offended for a tweet about fake spousal murder thoughts 

    Yet in the thread about our players you said my opinion was morally bankrupt.  So when it's Mississippi State's players who get offended they are a bunch of pussies but when it's our players it's a morally bankrupt position to have that exact same opinion.  And you justify it by saying just because you don't feel it should be changed doesn't mean it's not right that the players don't.  Why doesn't that apply here?  Why should they not be offended?  Unless my sarcasm meter is broken, (entirely possible I could have it in the wrong context) you sir are a hypocrite.

  23. 4 hours ago, George Clooney said:

    It’s very telling how angry some people get when a viewpoint they’re uncomfortable with is shared. These athletes and the entire black community at UT just want to tell you about their struggles, and they wanted to be treated as true equals in every aspect of life. The condescension and arrogance toward them by some in this fan base is incredibly disappointing.

    Really?  The entire black community?  You must be under the impression they all think the same way.  Yet the ones who oppose your opinion are condescending.  Takes about 3 seconds of thinking to come up with that conclusion.

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