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  1. 11 minutes ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

    Say what you want about Manziel, but holy shit he was fun to watch. So was Mike Evans on that team.

    It would've been funnier if the greasy fuck wasn't so slippery.  He was like watching a greased pig.  But in this case, i wasn't rooting for the pig. 

  2. 11 minutes ago, Josef Pwag said:

    ESPN's financial struggles are known. If FSU moves to a non-ESPN conference, that is a financial hit for ESPN...no bueno. If FSU moves to an ESPN-affiliated conference, they would only do it for more money, so that means ESPN is paying more for FSU games it had on the cheap when they were in the ACC....no bueno. ESPN wants FSU right where they have them. 

    College football is a major cash cow.. This is an area they will invest in still if the value is there. So the whole the PAC was late to market is a cool  story and all, but that's all it is...  ESPN and it's live sports isn't the financial issues. It's in other areas that the mouse took it's hits, mainly Disney+

    What all of us tend to overlook is that ESPN and Fox seldom, If ever compete against each other for college football.  In fact, they divide up the content they want and practically hand their bid in together. If almost as if they. Were partners and not competitors. They (nor the SEC and B10) never step on each other's toes when it comes to contracts and expansion..  in fact it's as if each side knows what the other is doing a long time before the news breaks... 

    They worked together to save the BIG 12 three times now, and they seem to have worked together to let the PAC die...  I guess if you and your competitor can find a way to share the market instead of fighting for every inch, you probably save you both countless millions

     

     

     

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  3. 20 minutes ago, 'stache said:

    ACC can’t expand without Espn paying more, right? I have no doubt that Stanford and Cal are making the pitch with UU trying desperately to tag along, but I don’t see how that works. And it won’t make FSU happy unless they make as much as UF, or at least significantly more than UCF.

    ESPN isn't in any hurry to. Do anything with the ACC.  In fact. They've been nudging schools towards the BIG 12.  Which means the ACC is dead...  FSU  will get their wish, the question is when.  For FSUs sake it needs to be soon. But i have a feeling they are going to be stuck in ACC hell for a long time.  The conference as a whole nor the members will be forgetting this anytime soon.  And ESPN is going to let things settle in and see how it goes before anything else.. and that will take a long time.  

     

     

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  4. If all these moves pan out, you have the PAC schools plus UO, UW all still playing each other in the Big 10.. huge win for all parties.. 

    Utah reunited with BYU (whether the like it or not) the 'Zona school doing their business of sucking as usual, CU reunited with its old B8 pals all in the B12.  A huge win here for the Big12 and the. Newcomers... I think Utah will settle in just fine there once they figure out that they are more Big 12ish than Stanfordish.. 

    Mizzou and OU can get back to t butt suckling each other. Without OU having to miss out on all the State Fair food (andeven meth heads need to eat. Sometimes).  Aggy and Arky get to enjoy those regular beating they enjoyed so much...  Another huge win, especially for Texas who gets/keeps not one, not two, but all three of it's bitches  back...

    Overall. Realignment has been a win win for all..  

    Wait...  I left out Maryland and that other one..... Don't care.....

    And poor Nebraska....  They just get shit on all over...  No friends, no wins... Only a steady diet of Hawkeye dick to sustain them. Couldn't happen to a nicer group.  Osborne finally had one of his stupid decisions bear fruit,  he led those imbeciles to the dessert to die

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  5. 47 minutes ago, Sandbagging Steve said:

    Good overview of where this has been heading since the OU lawsuit in the 80s. It's taken a long time to wrestle the power away from the idoit college presidents but we are getting there. The elimination of the PAC and ACC will put a wet blanket on the nonsense that are Stanford and UNC running a conference. I guarantee you that's not an accident. Larry Scott didn't kill the PAC. Stanford killed the PAC. He was nothing but their puppet.

    This all looks chaotic, but BCD, the executives have a pretty good idea of how this is all going to play out. I feel the chaotic nature is by design. Some college presidents have no common sense and this is usually needed to get to the best end result. It also can help minimize potential lawsuits.  Magically, the B1G and the SEC are going to both win realignment and pick up the programs some of us predicted many decades ago. The Big 12 will reap the benefits of being the most well-run organization outside the Big 2. The finished result will not look so chaotic.

    There's no doubt Robert Robbins has just been letting this play out, but he has known for the past year the final result. As already stated, this chaos is going to lead to a finished result you could have come very close to predicting 30 years ago. The other option was USC/Texas/OU partnering up to form a third power conference. UNC/UVA are the only real coin flips and they're currently under ESPN control.

    A few of us have been preaching this for years before Bob Thompson's bullshit agenda caused a percentage of posters to lose track of the real reason all this is happening.  

    1. Conferences will not stop at 16.

    2. Conferences will eventually have more conference games than the 8/9 that is standard right now. This will create a more balanced schedule across the landscape and increase compensation with more competitive games.

    3. This is about the elimination of deadweight to get more big matchups. Not only big matchups but fewer blowouts. One of the reasons the Big 12 has overperformed is that they play an exciting brand of football and produce fewer blowouts.

    This is happening in real-time with consolidation of conferences which will then one day lead to the elimination of Big 2 football members like Vanderbilt. But let's not go too far, programs like South Carolina and Ole Miss still have some value. Flagship programs with competitive football programs bring some value.

    Programs on the Big 2 chopping block: some private schools, secondary programs in small states with limited recruiting territory, and teams that just are rarely ever competitive on the field with no hope of rehab.

    There are more worthy Big 2 programs than just Notre Dame. There are many variables that go into the value of a program. 

    4. ESPN/FOX/NBC/CBS is not going to get cash-strapped in this scenario. These moves will increase revenue in the long run for very little added investment. It will eventually save money as well with the consolidation of deadweight.

    4. Commissioners and media executives are slowly taking as much power away from college presidents as possible and establishing some damn rules for the game.

     

    If the  rumors of the Big 10 taking Stanford are true, they will be in position to put ND in checkmate at will, with Stanford, Michigan, and Stanford all in the Big 10, and once there's a clearer picture of how playing 8 vs 9 conference games factors in with the playoff committee, ND is about to have to decide between anchoring either the ACC, the Big 12 or joining the Big 10.  It isn't in the Big 10s best interest for three of their members to play ND yearly. Especially when they expect two of those  three to constantly be in the playoff picture. 

    The Big 12 is probably most balanced so the extra money from playing ND vs the chance of that one of those games being the difference of getting another team in the playoffs might not be worth it. The SEC, with OU and UT coming in, doesn't benefit from  ND playing their teams very often either, leaving ND faced either actually becoming a true Blueblood and anchoring a conference, or joining one.  

    Speaking of playoffs, this PAC thing is going to put a wrench in the current setup. If they survive, the Big 10  and the SEC are not going to be cool with losing a playoff spot or two to a conference made up of UO, UW, the scrub Cali schools, Boise St, Hawaii Wyoming, SDSU, Fresno, San Jose, SMU, Saint Marys school for the Blind...  If UO or UW can't go undefeated with that schedule, they should be banned from football for a year, so going undefeated shouldn't automatically be a playoff spot either... At least the Big 12 has legs to stand on. They have two recent playoff teams (one made the finals). UFC and BYU have shown they can play big boy football outside of fluke seasons. Baylor, TT, OSU, ISU, and WVU are not considered cupcakes by anyone's metric. It doesn't shock anyone when they beat good teams. They do quite often.  But if the PAC dies (which is probable) it still changes the playoff auto bids.  Either way, there will be some questions people will want clarification on as soon as the smoke clears out west 

  6. 2 hours ago, USC Traveler said:

    Great to see you posting in here.  I always enjoyed kicking ideas around with you back on the Shaggy realignment thread.

    I recall you and I (amongst others) feeling like the PAC not partnering with ESPN/FOX on PACNet and not taking UT, OU and the gang b/c of LHN meant the PAC was eventually doomed.  And here we are........

     

    The FSU stuff is really interesting.  If they move, the other football schools will follow and the ACC will crumble as fast as the PAC is.

    I hadn't read your theory above anywhere before.  ESPN is hurting for cash.  They are losing subs while the cost of rights keeps going up.  Their model is upside down now.  If they let the BIG take some of the ACC schools, and the conference crumbles, that's one less media obligation at a time when they need to do a new NBA deal, etc.  It could be viable as a way for ESPN to get into business with the BIG again.

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    What I've read on their 247 board is that they think they have a fraud case against Swofford and the ACC, and that's their way out.

    Either way, there  is a massive amount of smoke around FSU.

     

    I remember.  You were my insite into the real sentiment within the PAC.  When you told me about the clause USC and UCLA received when the PAC went to  equal revenue distribution made it easy to see this train wreck coming from back then. 

    Knowing what to look for and what things would affect it , it was easy to see the cracks forming and growing, and when the DirecTV deal didn't happen. I posted that was the final straw and the PAC just became unstable.  Everyone thought I was crazy, because the PAC was as stable as it gets, I just responded with just sit back and watch... It won't be noticeable at first but you will start to hear things, not in the media, but within the local writers, and that not only is the PAC going to become unstable.  Call me crazy all you want, and it will probably be a year or two before it's becomes noticable, but not only is the PAC in serious danger of collapse, I can name the two schools to watch closely, starting around a year before their current contract expires. But Scott not getting it done with the last real hope of getting a breakthrough for PACNET with the national carriers just put USC and UCLA up to be poached....   

    Nobody wanted to listen, but it isn't rocket science.  USC isn't giving up it's 100 plus years of elite status in football with a "well we had a good run" just because the PAC missed the money train. They will do just like we or any other school that has the ability to do so, they will go where the money's at....

    I love you guys getting slaughtered all over the place by everyone.  Embrace it and bask in the glory of all those tears. Especially when you can look everyone of the left behinds and tell them they know their school would do the same if it was given the chance...   If the money gap had been a few million USC would still be there, but a 10 20 30 million gap? It's not a complicated choice... 

    During our media days, the #2 head of the Big 12 took some comical shots at us...  Since we have money, I guess we are supposed to be happy to continue working for a fraction of our value and be happy, you know, just with being able to  provide food for the B12 children... 

    I'm not sure when they forgot that we are the University of Texas, and not the University of the Big 12.  Our leadership in place to do what they believe is in the best interest of the University of Texas and that's what they do... In fact they see to it that we pay out membership fees to the BIG 12 so it can afford to hire competent people who to oversee what's best for the conference as a whole.  Seeing Texas as a cash cow and never bother to ask yourself how big is the money gap going to have to get between the BIG 12 and the 2 big boys before it might become an issue.  The failure of both of our conferences to identify things that will become major issues until it runs them over and an in hindsight is brain numbing. Instead, we hear Texas has money so they won't care that schools in other conferences make 2 or 3 times they do...  Texas has money because it's been good at managing its personal money, and sitting on it's thumb doing nothing about getting left off the money train goes against the reasons why Texas has money...  If the BIG 12s office had bothered to glance at OUs football board, it wouldn't have taken long to see their fanbase has been wanting to leave for years and it was going to be just a matter of time before its administration would have to cave...  None of this is hard to foresee.. maybe the when and where of things can be, but not the issues that will cost you the schools that are of value to richer conferences.  But a huge money gap and exposure gap is a sure ringer every single time.  It isn't USC or UT place to look out for the conference. It's the conference's job to look out for them.  That's the whole reason they are part of the conference to begin with...

    Oh, and it was the right call to vote against expansion.  It wasn't just the right call to make, it was the only call USC could make.  Blocking that from happening especially knowing the flack you would face once you announced your departure, shows you have standards you hold yourself to...  It would have been fucked up to allow any poaching of other schools without putting all your cards on the table. No matter how much they cry about it.  It was the correct call to make

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  7. 1 hour ago, hook me said:

    I think ESPN holding the rights to the ACC & SEC makes it more difficult for FSU to get out right now. ESPN has no reason to bring them over to the SEC when they're paying pennies & have more than enough exposure in the SE, they don't move the needle anywhere close to UT/USC/or ND so the need to try to lock them up long term & the potential marquee matchups they provide don't apply, & there's no amount of inventory to give ESPN in order to work out a reduced buyout & I don't think FSU has the money to pay the 13 years left on the deal. The only ace in the hole is if FSU could convince ND to come to the SEC with them which seems incredibly unlikely but that would be the only thing that may give ESPN reason to consider it.

    The new demand is matchups.  FSU vs Florida, Bama, LSU, Georgia, Texas, OU, etc on a regular basis, is worth more to ESPN than FSU vs Clemson. Especially when Clemson would likely follow... And if there is anything to the Big 10 rumors are real, that puts UNC and whoever else with value in the SEC also. Which is where everything is headed anyways. If not now, 13 years from now the ACC. Will get carved up.  If I were in charge of the ACC or the Big 12, I'd really start to consider it being time to shed bloat and merge the best of what's left to maximize their value. It's what's the Networks are practically doing. They are maximizing the bang for their bucks..  it used to be regional matchups between rivals that made money...  Then TV money came in and it was the size of your footprint that had the value, but now, they are after the national eyes.   I'm a huge college football fan, but I don't care about rivalry games between Ole Miss and Miss St for example. Not many outside of their region give a shit either. But more of them would tune in to watch FSU play either of them.  Paying 30 to. 50 million to the Purdues, Vandys, North Westerns. Etc while paying 20 million to the FSUs and Clemson isn't ESPNs ideal of good business.  They would love nothing more than to pay the schools what they are worth period...  There is a gap between P5 and G5s. Most of the G5s that have P5 value have made it up a rung, and as  we are about to see, some P5 bottom feeders are about to lose their free ride and get sent down the ladder... the ACC is next... 

    It's simple, the PAC viewership is something like (and has been for decades) 1/4 less than the other conferences (per population).  This is why they are dead in the water today. The teams that have value, become more valuable if you put them playing teams back east. Now those teams stop being shackled to that late window. 

    The ACC death came with the introduction of conference networks. They are in the SEC and BIG 10 footprint even if there's no SEC/B10 teams in that state... The value they have is maximized by matching them against schools most of the population in their area follow. Sending many of them  to the G5 pool where their 4 thousand fans can watch them playing more along their level is a win win for everyone...

    The BIG 12 is im a good place. People in its footprint watch football..  it's a perfect landing spot for teams that have value, but are redundant the SEC/BIG 10... I'm sure there's teams in the SEC and B10 that the networks wish they could swap out with some Big 12 schools, but they know they can't win them all..  iif they could, they would dump about half the p5 schools completely and create the NFL Jr out of the rest.. 

      

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  8. 55 minutes ago, USC Traveler said:

    That's what I'm thinking too.  It can also give cover to schools that have more reluctant admins to join the exodus.  We're seeing in the PAC how the run for the exits starts once fear kicks in.

    The other plausible explanation is that this is all just kabuki theatre huffing and puffing to get Wake, BC, etc to agree to uneven shares of the media deal.  But after everything the FSu people have said over the last 24 hours, their boosters and fans will riot if they just tuck their tails between their legs and go back to the ACC.

    I said that same thing when FSU first started this however long ago in their public meeting. There playing an angle because there is no way they are not beating their fanbase into a frenzy 13 years before time...

    The only thing I've heard to may make sense is that the  GOR wasn't signed as part of the Conference requirements.  The contract is between the schools and ESPN.  So it's ultimately ESPN who holds the grant of rights and not the ACC itself. So if ESPN is willing to let them out, the ACC can only hold them to the exit fee., and as long as ESPN doesn't change the contract's value (which is peanuts), for the duration, they can't even sue either for losses...  I'm not sure of the validity of any of this, but maybe there's something there

  9. 5 hours ago, US183 said:

    aggy and some of the SEC can’t handle the 2024 SEC Media Days being held in Dallas at SEC Rant. Points to a UT takeover and a sure future collapse as TEXAS always wrecks whatever conference we touch.   
     

    https://www.secrant.com/rant/sec-football/sec-media-days-to-be-in-dallas-next-year/108992521/

    WRTS...

    Better players.  Check. With the whole greatest class evar thing

    Better coached.  Check, got Jimbo.. 

    Better stadium, facilities, fans. Check. 

    Better turditions. Check.

    More alumni. Check

    More popular. Check.

    Better marching band. Check

    Saved the world from Nazis and COVID. Check. 

    As much, if not more money. Check

     

    Now that (once again) they have a legitimate chance on a level playing field to once and for all put tu in their rearview, aggy hears things that go bump in the night at plain noon...

    WE aren't even officially a member for another year, yet we already own the SEC.

    What happened to "we would own the shorthorns if they weren't scared to play us"?  Instead, we get we want our rivalry with LSU, Alabama (moral victories count stupid sip) and anyone NOT tu as our rivals.  You know our new turditional rivals.

    "Fine, whatever, we will but only if they come to our house!     Please? You owe for the whole Bevo thing and not putting us in the playoffs. Not to mention y'all didn't have our backs and allowed the App St. game to take place.

    I can't wait to read the posts of how we payed the refs. Especially when we weren't even the one's who handed them the loss...   

    Poor battered aggy... Whoop 

     

  10. 5 hours ago, Royale with cheese said:

    I, for one, am in the vast majority of long-time fans of one of the greatest rivalries in all of CFB--probably the greatest--who are fed up with some corporate marketing department telling some pencil-dick intern who doesn't know sheep shit from wild honey when it comes to real football, because he probably identifies as a girl anyway, that the pure and unadulterated sobriquet of "The OU Game," which stood for, oh, 100 years or so (and is 63-50-5 in favor of UT), is woefully insufficient as a title, and that what we need is a catchy corporate branding moniker that'll help us sell more Lite Beer, or Chevrolet pickups, or cut-rate auto insurance, or some such, totally without regard to the value of history and  tradition, and without offending any self-styled protected class in the process, and while you're at it, make it the longest run-on sentence in the history of marketing and promotion, and by the way, we need it tomorrow. That's where I am on this "Red River Whatever-The-fuck" bullshit, and I refuse to compromise. 

    Personally, I don't care what they call it.  Just give me blow u in Dallas every year and I'm set.   I can tell a fellow longhorn if I just say the rivalry (game), just like I can tell aggy with the same phrase. One knows it and the other, well... 

     

  11. 2 hours ago, nnm said:

    Scheduling App State should be a near guaranteed win to get to 6 win bowl eligibility. 

    I don't see aggy scheduling App St again within any of our lifetimes.  Their new 100 year decision. 

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  12. 22 hours ago, Rimbo said:

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    Like 1988 or so. At the very latest.

    I know some really, really hardcore Longhorns fans. And exactly zero of them are more of a Longhorn fan than Bobby. Zero point zero.

    I totally agree.  I just thought him going off was donut of character for him that his horns were shining bright.   

    I can watch his shit and enjoy his content.  That isn't something I can say about a couple of others who's voice annoys me so much that I can't make it 2 mins into their show before shutting it off no matter how interested I am in the title. 

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  13. 7 minutes ago, Gaffords said:
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    I do wonder if "Going to market early" would have been a real option if the exit fees hadn't been so costly (especially on OU). How much of the 31 million per school deal based on value  and not ESPN sweeteners. And yes, ESPN giving up the Michigan vs Texas game in 2024 says ESPN was sweetening the pot.

    Paul pegged it with we will see just how valuable the Big 12 is the next round when there is nothing to stand on but their own legs...

    These numbers paint a bleak picture for viewership value of the new BIG 12.  Sorry BYU, you are not bringing massive numbers to the table... In fact,  your viewership on national TV period is pretty weak....  Sorry Cinci, trusting Paul's numbers once again, your best year in modern times (2021) being your playoff year, you were ranked 66th in viewership that year.  Houston?  Even less value at 77th.  UFC?  If a tree falls...?

    I hope us and the dirt burglars both threaten to mudhole every team in front of us that the Big 12 has to rely on their refs to keep it somewhat close and it becomes so blatantly obvious that the national media has a field day with it all season long...  there will be 'a few' more eyes watching this farewell tour year so those OSU type of fuckings will not go unnoticed.  Especially when it becomes the weekly theme.  Piss off the national crowd and watch those national viewership numbers tailspin... not to mention how that will affect the playoff committee's decision making for years to come.

    Who knows you might even find yourself invited back to market early...   Don't fuck with the Duck

     

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    https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-football-tv-ratings/

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    I do wonder if "Going to market early" would have been a real option if the exit fees hadn't been so costly (especially on OU). How much of the 31 million per school deal based on value  and not ESPN sweeteners. And yes, ESPN giving up the Michigan vs Texas game in 2024 says ESPN was sweetening the pot.

    Paul pegged it with we will see just how valuable the Big 12 is the next round when there is nothing to stand on but their own legs...

    These numbers paint a bleak picture for viewership value of the new BIG 12.  Sorry BYU, you are not bringing massive numbers to the table... In fact,  your viewership on national TV period is pretty weak....  Sorry Cinci, trusting Paul's numbers once again, your best year in modern times (2021) being your playoff year, you were ranked 66th in viewership that year.  Houston?  Even less value at 77th.  UFC?  If a tree falls...?

    I hope us and the dirt burglars both threaten to mudhole every team in front of us that the Big 12 has to rely on their refs to keep it somewhat close and it becomes so blatantly obvious that the national media has a field day with it all season long...  there will be 'a few' more eyes watching this farewell tour year so those OSU type of fuckings will not go unnoticed.  Especially when it becomes the weekly theme.  Piss off the national crowd and watch those national viewership numbers tailspin... not to mention how that will affect the playoff committee's decision making for years to come.

    Who knows you might even find yourself invited back to market early...   Don't fuck with the Duck

     

     

  15. 8 hours ago, Cairn Horn88 said:
    Texas A&M's anger over Texas & Oklahoma joining the SECPosted on 7/15/23 at 8:25 am to WhosYourDaddy
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    No, what y'all don't get is that for Texas entire history they've been asked to prop up every other institution in the state of Texas. The SWC was Texas, Rice, SMU, TCU, Baylor, Houston, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, and Arkansas. That is 8 out of 9 schools being from ONE state, ONE... 4 of those schools are private schools. That isn't sustainable and Arkansas saw that, had very little to do with Texas being some big bad bully. Big 12 was formed out of necessity between two conferences that didn't necessarily want to merge but also didn't really have much of an option. That proved to be true when by the late 2000s it became every man for themselves.



    I’ve never heard the “Texas wants to control everything” debate from this angle, and you may have a point. Basically, you owned up to it and admitted Texas had to be the alpha in the house because they were the sole breadwinner for so long in a huge house full of orphans they adopted.

    There is nothing in college football history quite like the imbalance of the old SWC. A one state plus Arkansas conference that politically forced a blue blood like Texas to prop up and subsidize virtually any Texas institution who had an alum in the legislature. Then when the imbalance got so absurd that a crash was inevitable, they merge with the Big 8 to save that conference, Nebraska couldn’t handle having to compromise on anything, and Texas got the blame.

    This is the first time Texas has ever been in a conference that wouldn’t collapse or have to significantly alter their identity without them.

     

    I think this poster wears an Alabama tag...   Suck it aggy, Alabama vs Texas had 3.5 million more viewers than Alabama vs aggy.     There's a reason they want us and visa versa.

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  16. On 6/19/2023 at 6:07 PM, Tomatillo said:

    I get it, man. Texas is the home of chili. They are pretty proud of their stuff in cincy, and i like it. 
     

    Not really chili though! I get it

    The best chili you will find in Ohio is at the w

    Waffle House

  17. 3 hours ago, Nivek said:

    Hasn't the B12 fired this assclown for shit-talking member institutions?  

    I'm pretty sure this wasn't just some random stupidity from some asshat.  This was an official statement from the Big 12s front office... 

    Keep up the good work Big 12. Just one more incentive for our team to kick the living shit out of anyone standing between us and the door. 

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