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  1. 18 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

    Fuck both of those positions.  "I don't like the content/message" is never, ever, not even once, a justification for cracking down on a demonstration.  If you don't like that, GTFO, because you are unwilling to follow one of our more essential foundational and formational values.

    That is actually a good question - I don't think I've stated where I stand. Hate rallies when they are a minority are good for free speech. Hate rallies when they are a majority are problematic. You went to the BLM rallies. What if there were rallies that BLdidn'tM? Fine. Now what if those rallies were 20 times larger than the BLM groups? We have a problem. I hate to play the Nazi card, but that has actually happened to jews in the recent past - when my parents were being born and when some of my grandparents were of fight or flight age. So, when there is now a mix of anti-Israel and antisemitic sentiment, is it just the current conflict or is there something deep seeded? It is debatable. So when the jewish fraternities and sororities side with breaking up the rally and preventing some of the shit that is going on around other college campuses while having to increase security at their houses - all I can say is that I'm conflicted. Some of this needs to be nipped in the bud before it sprouts - leaders should be leading. In the absence of that, I'm not sure what is the best way to make change happen. How do you feel if things get out of control around the US? What about around the world? When do you stand up?

  2. 2 minutes ago, Nivek said:

    Explains why you think the world is getting more dangerous.  You seek out stupid shit to be offended by and scared of.  

    LOL, you think I talk about this cloak room shit outside of this board and specifically outside of 4 threads - Arab Spring, Ukraine War, Israel-Hamas, and Palestinian rallies?

     

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  3. 16 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

    I think it’s pretty plain. Most of us have observed that the horseshoe theory on antisemitism is in play: we have a strong strain of it on the right, including among sitting members of Congress, advising members of the Texas state govt, Nazis marching, etc. And we see it on the left, as there is an undeniable strain of it present among SOME of the pro-Palestine crowd.
     

    You are correct on this thought. Most of the Jewish population, especially in the Northeast and Southern California and Chicago, are pretty strong left leaning and had a visceral reaction against the far right. Now that we see hipsters wearing swastika scarves, it moves them away from the far left. So basically they are stuck in the middle of the horseshoe. Clowns to the left of me, Jokers to the right, here I am, Stuck in the middle with you.

     

     

  4. 2 minutes ago, Herbie Hancock said:

    The amount of cunts that inhabit this site is truly mind boggling. Is it a gaggle of cunts? Flock of cunt? Gathering of the Cuntalos?
     

     

    This place should be right up your ally, Hancock.

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  5. 7 minutes ago, HookEm said:

    I would love for us to get Omier.  He is an very solid rebounder and overall player.  He isn't a great threat from outside, but 35% from 3 isn't bad. 

    We could go "small" with 6'3 Julian Larry, 6'5 Tremon Mark, 6'6 Tre Johnson, 6'7 Jayson Kent and 6'8 Norchad Omier.  That is a lineup that would give teams a lot of trouble. All of those guys are very good defenders. Great rebounding, great scoring. 

    That said I have no idea if we are even a possibility.

     

     

    What type of team or style is Terry looking to create? Knowing that might make it easier to determine what players he should recruit. Havoc would work great with the lineup above.

  6. 33 minutes ago, Nivek said:

    You see what you want to see because you ingest the propaganda a spoonful at a time.   The world is going to hell unlike the old times (When I was an ignorant kid, and people were more noble).  This was a sentiment from the Canterbury Tales.  I guess our world is much worse than the late 1300s.  Right?   Fear is your only guide.  

    I never thought about it but I think you are correct. Maybe the jewish community is delusional. Have you thought about presenting your thoughts to the Anti-defimation League?

    How the surge in antisemitism is affecting countries around the world

    By Reuters
    October 31, 202310:25 AM CDTUpdated 6 months ago
     
    The following are details of how the surge is affecting countries, compiled by Reuters reporters around the world:

    UNITED STATES

    Jewish advocacy group the Anti-Defamation League reported last week that antisemitic incidents had risen by about 400% in the two weeks following the Oct. 7 attack, compared with the same period last year.
     
    Government officials met American-Jewish leaders on Monday to discuss steps to counter what a White House official described as an alarming uptick in reported instances of antisemitism on university campuses.
     
    After a man screaming "Free Palestine" and "Kill Jews" attempted to break into a Jewish family's home in Los Angeles on Oct. 25, Mayor Karen Bass said police would continue stepping up patrols in communities throughout the city.
     

    CANADA

    Prime Minister Justin Trudeau spoke on Oct. 17 of a "scary rise" in antisemitism in Canada, citing incidents at a Jewish high school in Toronto as well as escalating inflammatory language online.

    ARGENTINA

    Scarred by two attacks in the 1990s on the Israeli embassy and on a Jewish community centre, which killed over 100 people in total, Argentine Jewish leaders have been advising community members to exercise caution and increase vigilance.
     
    A well-known Jewish school in Buenos Aires asked pupils not to wear their usual uniforms, while some teams pulled out of a table tennis competition being held at a Jewish club for fear it could be targeted.
    Local media reported last week an Argentine man was arrested after calling on social media platform 4chan for attacks on Jewish children in schools.

    BRAZIL

    Jewish leaders have noticed a rise in antisemitic discourse online, and incidents such as graffiti defacing a synagogue in Rio de Janeiro. No instances of physical threats or assaults have been reported.
     
    "We are very concerned. We have increased the security of our institutions," said Ricardo Berkiensztat, executive president of the Jewish Federation of the State of Sao Paulo.
    He said he had seen comments online such as "Hitler didn't finish, he should have finished killing Jews".

    BRITAIN

    London's police force said there had been a 14-fold increase in incidents of antisemitism since the Oct. 7 attack.
    The Community Security Trust, which collates reports of antisemitism in Britain, said the number of incidents in the three weeks following the attack was the highest for any three-week period since it started collecting data in 1984.
     

    FRANCE

    Interior Minister Gerald Darmanin said on Monday that since Oct. 7 there had been 819 antisemitic acts. That compares with a figure of 436 for the whole of 2022.
    Darmanin said there had been 414 arrests in connection with this trend.

    GERMANY

    A survey by a civil society observatory, the RIAS, found a 240% year-on-year increase in antisemitic incidents in the period of Oct. 7-15.

    NETHERLANDS

    No official figures are available yet, but Eddo Verdoner, national coordinator for combating antisemitism, said a sharp rise had been observed and anxiety was high in the Jewish community.
    He said Jewish parents had reported their children had been harassed at school, with comments such as "Hamas were right" and "they should have done it earlier" directed at them.

    SOUTH AFRICA

    The number of antisemitic incidents in October is nine times higher than the average recorded for that month over the past decade, according to David Saks, associate director of the South African Jewish Board of Deputies.
    In one incident, a woman who shared a link to information about a protest calling for the release of Israeli hostages being held in Gaza was abused online, including a post that said "we'll come for her babies next".

    RUSSIA

    After an angry crowd stormed an airport in the Dagestan region searching for Jews to harm after a plane arrived from Tel Aviv, the president of Russia's Federation of Jewish Communities called on the authorities to harshly punish the organisers.
    Rabbi Alexander Boroda said the airport riot "undermined the basic foundations of our multi-cultural and multi-national state".

    CHINA

    No figures are available on antisemitic incidents. On Oct. 13, a staff member of the Israeli embassy in Beijing was assaulted and a suspect was arrested.
    Chinese social media is awash with antisemitic content, including posts suggesting the Nazi Holocaust was justified and likening Jews to parasites, vampires or snakes.
    A foreign ministry spokesperson said the law prohibited the use of the internet to propagate hate speech, but there were no discernible efforts by the authorities to curb antisemitic activity online.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Perhaps, now is the time to give everyone a thumbs up for their contributions to bringing the Cloak Room to the Daily Texan. Nice job all around guys.

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  7. 1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:

     


    It’s nearly impossible to draw the line in the abstract. The answer is “it depends.”

    Yes, physically hurting someone is over the line. Brandishing weapons may well be over the line. And yes, words can be over the line, but that’s where it gets tough.

    Painful speech, speech that makes people feel bad, feel worthless, is not necessarily outside first amendment protection. It sucks. I hate it. But the law allows many things I really don’t like. If those words are directed to terrorize, threaten, and the like, then they may be actionable under the law.

    I know that’s not the answer you want. It’s not an answer that makes me happy. But in order to protect all speech, essential speech, the law must protect abhorrent and racist and dangerous speech.

    I see no harm in falling back on the law vs. your opinion. But if we fall back on the law, legal, undeniable proof is necessary (I don't even know what is admissible - video, audio, a non-friend witness). Then there are courts, attorneys, jurors, publicity - with no significant gain for the public or the individual attacked if a case is tried and won. I just don't see that going anywhere.

    And as we know each person has a different threshold for intimation. Young women are especially having a problem with this. Young athletic, cocky men don't have a problem until they grow up and put their kids put into such environments.

    And of course when we sit behind the law, it kind of protects us from doing nothing and answering the question of when we should feel worthless for not standing up. And I should point out that the protestors are not monolithic. As we know the protests have outside support and outside supporters with specific agendas. Some people are clearly anti-Israel but some are antisemitic. There is very clearly a blend between the two. Separating the two isn't very easy.

    It has caused me to lose sleep. I'm not worried about my boys. I'm not worried about myself. But, I see, and my friends from college and beyond see, dangerous trends in the world. It is easy to say, oh it is just about Israel. But when you are in the thick of it, you know that just isn't true. Unfortunately, not even close to the truth. The bright side is that the conflict in Israel will die down temporarily and so will the protests. Of course, when we have to deal with a nuclear Iran, all this will come back with a vengeance.

     

     

  8. 1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

    But you missed the difference: speech that is ALLOWED, vs. speech that is SPONSORED.

    Imagine a group that says that jews exercise outsize control in the world, have sinister motivations, and we must keep our eyes on them.  Or, flip that, and make it a group that says the same thing about muslims.  That group, the anti-jew or anti-muslim group, intends to have a rally on campus, where they state their views and try to get the university and its students to adopt those views.  I am 100% in favor of such speech being ALLOWED, even though I find it abhorrent.

    Now, imagine those same two groups....except the university INVITES the group's leader to come give a speech on "why the jews/arabs are the world's biggest problem, and my suggestions on how to drive them out of America."  It's part of the University of Texas Distinguished Thought Leader Lecture series.  I don't want my university SPONSORING such speech, so I don't think we should invite that speaker to our lecture series.

    ALLOW abhorrent speech -- yes, we must.

    SPONSOR abhorrent speech -- we should think really, really hard about it, weighing a shitload of factors.  But we should lean AGAINST doing so, as a university.

    That's a big difference.

     

    Curious on your thoughts outside this direct discussion - During the Civil Rights Movement there were Clansmen rallies trying to prevent colleges from integrating and trying to intimidate blacks and keep them out of universities. Later, there were racist screams on campus calling blacks names and making them feel unwanted. I assume all that hate speech was stopped. What was done to protect blacks and help the schools integrate and provide a safe and welcoming environment?

    I can tell you for fact that Jews feel uncomfortable at many colleges including UT. The fraternities and sororities at UT  have had to beef up security. Women are told to walk in groups. Most jewish organizations were grateful to Hartzel and Abbott for the protection. You stated:

    Jewish students shouldn’t be threatened or terrorized. Neither should Arab or Palestinian students. They each should be able to take public positions that make the other side uncomfortable or even angry, so long as they do so peacefully without violence, threats, or intimidation. And people who engage in violence, threats, and intimidation, should be held accountable.
    I don’t care what your cause is, I stand for that proposition. If we don’t, then we’re worthless as well.

    Where is the line drawn between uncomfortable and dangerous? From your words, I assume it is okay to make groups feel bad and unwanted and scared or angry but when is the line drawn? Is it when an individual gets hurt or injured? Is it when people bring guns and knives? Can words do it? When should we feel worthless?

  9. 3 minutes ago, MagicSoccerSpray said:

     

    Looks like they weren't going to allow an "occupation" like what's happening at Columbia, USC, Stanford, etc; and as was promised by the "UT Palestine solidarity committee":

    https://thetexan.news/texas-local-news/ut-austin-palestine-solidarity-committee-plans-student-walk-out-occupation-of-campus/article_9b7c33b0-0257-11ef-9fcd-7724fc01bfbb.html

     

     

    All things considered, I think it went well, with no injuries, deaths, or horrible videos for folks to fixate on. There was no occupation, and subsequent tent city full of agitators and professional protesters threatening students and disrupting school, and the protesters got to be arrested/herded/chastised by "fascists", thereby stoking their ego, burnishing their brand, and establishing their cred. Win:Win

    This is an interesting article dealing with the predicament Universities find themselves in:

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/04/campus-left-university-columbia-1968/678176/

    It seems the smart move is to limit gathering sizes to below 40 and limit the space for gathering and times of gatherings and require prior approval by the school. Anything beyond the ordinary in scope needs to be done off campus. Let them be the city's problem.

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  10. https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/apr/24/russia-ukraine-war-live-us-biden-senate-zelenskiy-aid

     

    Closing summary

    It has gone 6pm in Kyiv and in Moscow. We will be closing this blog soon, but you can stay up to date on the Guardian’s Russia and Ukraine coverage here.

    Here is a recap of today’s latest developments:

    • UK prime minister Rishi Sunak said the UK and Germany will provide “unwavering support” for Ukraine “for as long as it takes”, as he visited Berlin to deepen defence and security ties between the two allies. Sunak said “every country has got different things that it can bring to the table” after German chancellor Olaf Scholz said his decision not to deliver Taurus cruise missiles to Kyiv “will not change”.

    • German chancellor Olaf Scholz said on Wednesday that Europe must continue to step up its help for Ukraine even after the approval of a big US aid package, but made clear that he is sticking to his refusal to send Taurus long-range cruise missiles to Kyiv. “But I also want to say clearly that the United States’s decision doesn’t release us here in Europe from the task of further expanding our support for Ukraine so that the country can defend itself against the aggressor,” he said.

    • President Volodymyr Zelenskiy urged “speed” on providing weapons to Ukraine. In a social media post on X, Zelenskiy wrote: “The key now is speed. The speed of implementing agreements with partners on the supply of weapons for our warriors. The speed of eliminating all Russian schemes to circumvent sanctions. The speed of finding political solutions to protect lives from Russian terror.”

    • The US Senate voted resoundingly on Tuesday to approve $95bn in aid for Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan, as a bipartisan super-majority united to send the long-stalled package to Joe Biden’s desk for signature. “Today the Senate sends a unified message to the entire world: America will always defend democracy in its hour of need,” said Senate Democratic leader Chuck Schumer in a floor speech on Tuesday afternoon. “We are showing Putin that betting against America is always, always a grave mistake.”

    • Ukraine’s foreign minister enthusiastically praised US politicians for approving a long-delayed $61bn military aid package for Ukraine, but cautioned that fresh supplies would not immediately turn the tide on the battlefield. “Hallelujah,” Dmytro Kuleba said when asked for his reaction to Tuesday’s final vote by the US Senate. He added that he was hopeful that the White House would unveil a new package of weapons “within days, maybe hours,” and it was “just a matter of logistics” to get the supplies to the frontline.

    • Zelenskiy said he is “grateful to the United States Senate for approving vital aid to Ukraine today”, after a US bill was passed which allocates $60.84bn to support Ukraine in its battle to repel Russia’s invasion. In a social media post on X, Zelenskiy thanked Schumer and the Republican Senate leader, Mitch McConnell, for “their strong leadership in advancing this bipartisan legislation”. He also thanked “all US Senators on both sides of the aisle who voted in favor of it”.

    • The Kremlin said on Wednesday that Russia would further expand its “buffer zone” inside Ukraine if Kyiv takes delivery of longer-range Atcams missiles from the US that allow it to strike deeper inside Russia. The US is preparing a $1bn military aid package for Ukraine, the first to be sourced from the yet to be signed $95bn foreign aid bill, two US officials told Reuters on Tuesday.

    A photograph that is reported to be of a firefighter extinguishing a fire at an oil depot in the Smolensk region was published on Telegram by regional governor Vasily Anokhin on Wednesday.

    A photograph that is reported to be of a firefighter extinguishing a fire at an oil depot in the Smolensk region was published on Telegram by regional governor Vasily Anokhin on Wednesday. Photograph: TELEGRAM/@anohin67/AFP/Getty Images
    • Ukrainian drones attacked oil facilities in western Russia overnight, defence sources in Kyiv confirmed on Wednesday. Officials in the western Russian regions of Smolensk and Lipetsk first announced the attacks, blaming Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles for starting blazes at energy sites. “The fire is localised. There is no threat of its spread beyond the facilities,” Smolensk regional governor Vasily Anokhin said, adding that no one was injured or killed.

    • Another drone attack targeted the Lipetsk region farther south, which houses metallurgical and pharmaceutical sites, governor Igor Artamonov said on Wednesday.

    • Russian forces hit a Ukrainian drone production facility and a Ukrainian army fuel depot, Russia’s defence ministry said on Wednesday.

    A law enforcement officer walks by a crater next to a damaged building after a missile attack in Kharkiv on Wednesday.

    A law enforcement officer walks by a crater next to a damaged building after a missile attack in Kharkiv on Wednesday. Photograph: Sergey Bobok/AFP/Getty Images
    • Russian missiles damaged residential buildings and injured six people in Ukraine’s second-largest city, Kharkiv, early on Wednesday, governor Oleh Synehubov said on Telegram. The attack damaged three residential buildings, two offices, three non-residential buildings and a gas pipeline in the central district of the city, according to the governor’s statement.

    • Russia’s RIA state news agency reported on Wednesday, citing unnamed sources within Russian forces, that their attack hit soldiers’ quarters in Kharkiv where Ukrainian military personnel were stationed. Reuters could not independently verify the reports.

    • A well-connected Russian deputy defence minister has been charged with bribe-taking, in the highest-profile corruption scandal in the country in years. Timur Ivanov, 47, who was responsible for Russia’s military infrastructure projects, was detained by the FSB services late on Tuesday evening.

    • On Wednesday, Ivanov, wearing his military uniform, appeared behind a glass cage in a Moscow court, where he was formally arrested and charged with high bribery. The court remanded him in custody for two months and placed him in the high-security Lefortovo prison in Moscow.

    • Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov on Wednesday dismissed media speculation about the reasons behind the arrest of Ivanov on bribery charges, and urged reporters to focus on official information.

    • Russian forces have made significant advances in a narrow corridor in eastern Ukraine as an offensive by Moscow to take territory before western military aid arrives appears to be gathering pace. Footage posted by Kremlin military bloggers shows a Russian tricolour flying above the shattered village of Ocheretyne. Russian troops reportedly entered the territory on Sunday, north-west of the town of Avdiivka, after advancing about 5km in 10 days. Moscow’s defence ministry claimed Ukrainian troops fled Ocheretyne in small groups and under heavy fire.

    • Nato exercises starting on 26 April in Finland and in close proximity to the Russian-Finnish border are provocative in nature, Russian foreign ministry spokesperson, Maria Zakharova, told RIA state news agency in remarks published on Wednesday.

    • The UK has been accused of “helping Russia pay for its war on Ukraine” by continuing to import record amounts of refined oil from countries processing Kremlin fossil fuels. Government data analysed by the environmental news site Desmog shows that imports of refined oil from India, China and Turkey amounted to £2.2bn in 2023, the same record value as the previous year, up from £434.2m in 2021. Russia is the largest crude oil supplier to India and China, while Turkey has become one of the biggest importers of Russian oil since the Kremlin launched its invasion of Ukraine in February 2022.

    • The priest who oversaw a memorial service for late Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny has been suspended for three years by the head of the country’s Orthodox Church. An order on the Moscow diocese website demoted Dmitry Safronov from his position as priest to that of a psalm-reader and stripped him of the right to give blessings or to wear a cassock for the next three years. According to the Associated Press, no reason was given for the decision.

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  11. 13 minutes ago, Atticus said:

    It was Blackwell, not Blackshire who lost Blue in coverage on his TD. Blackshire mostly played with the third string in the spring game.

    Blackshire is still a big boy though

    Thanks I always get confused with those two. It's Blackshire who is related to the Duke of Wellington and Blackwell who is from the Shire, correct?

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  12. 14 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

    I mean, not defending Blackshire, but blue is the fastest RB in the country. Everyone is going to be 5 yards behind him. 
     

    plus it’s safe to assume that our safeties fucked that play up. 

    That plus part is debatable - Blackshire was isolated on the running back and a safety trying to tackle Blue in the open field running at full speed is not a good position to be in. It was a well designed play against the wrong defense. But Taaffe did fuck up by failing miserably hoping for an overthrow instead of probably getting torched in the open field by Blue. The main thing that the safety could have done better is to be closer to Blue when he caught it so he could make the tackle or light him up.

  13. 11 hours ago, Schulz2.0 said:

    That's 10-13,000 rounds per day. Ukraine is around 2,000 rounds per day before US funding going to about 6,000 per day for a single year after funding. No matter what, Ukraine is going to have to figure out how to increase its own manufacturing of munitions.  I wonder what it takes for Ukraine to manufacture its own rounds. I'm sure Russia isn't paying US manufacturing rates to get to 13,000 rounds daily. I'm no expert on financing weapons and have no clue whether Russia or Ukraine have all the raw materials on hand or if it has to source and pay for certain things.

  14. 5 hours ago, Brisketexan said:


    I agree. Threats and the like have no place, and campuses should take steps to protect against and limit them.
    The problem is, by most of what I have seen and read, that’s not what was happening today. There was even a Jewish counter protest waving Israeli flags, and their interaction with the main protest was peaceful.
    Jewish students shouldn’t be threatened or terrorized. Neither should Arab or Palestinian students. They each should be able to take public positions that make the other side uncomfortable or even angry, so long as they do so peacefully without violence, threats, or intimidation. And people who engage in violence, threats, and intimidation, should be held accountable.
    I don’t care what your cause is, I stand for that proposition. If we don’t, then we’re worthless as well.

    What is the debate? Their right as Jews to exist? The right of Israel to exist? Their association with Israel? Are we going back to BC, 1948, the most recent Hamas attack, Israel's response? The treatment of the average Palestinian in Gaza? Is there a moderator? Can the audience shout down the speakers?

    I have got to tell you that debating a mob that is or isn't violent is a terrible idea. What you call debating at a demonstration is a simple yelling at each other and in those kind of debates, majority rules. Meanwhile many kids just want to go to school without incident and get prepared for finals. And just because one is Jewish, doesn't mean he supports Israel, it doesn't mean he must denounce Israel, and it could mean any thing in-between. Jews aren't some monolithic block. There are many differing views. So when Jerry Seinfeld or Michael Dell, or Scarlett Johansson get confronted by demonstrators because of their religion, it raises a lot of red flags for Jews in the US. And then when the demonstrations are being started on campus and begin to spread, it raises more red flags.

    As for everything being peaceful, I can only go by hearsay because I'm a little old for campus. What I can gather is that it is peaceful if you are thick skinned. Intimidation, chants like from the river to the sea, the Holocaust didn't exist, Jews kill Palestinian babies, are present. And such things wouldn't affect all Jews equally. Some may call that peaceful as long as there isn't spitting and pushing. Some may be scared. Some would rather celebrate Pesach than deal with a bunch of protests.

    And as you said people who engage in violence, threats, and intimidation, should be held accountable. This hasn't been happening, though. And things are getting out of hand in many places around the country and around the world. When mobs storm the airport terminal in Daghestani, shouting antisemitic slogans, chanting "Allahu Akbar" and running around asking staff where the "Jews" are, Jews around the world take notice. It has been seen before and it has rarely ended peacefully.

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  15. 9 minutes ago, Shut up Lou Holtz said:

    You provided no proof of the antisemitism. Your statement was vague and sounded like an accusation for all protesters there hating Jews. 

    I have a friend whose 18 year old daughter left school because she was being bullied - not UT - Ivy. Schools should be ashamed that this kind of behavior is going on on campuses around the country. Kids - black, white, brown, Jewish or Hindu should be able to learn without intimidation and fear. To some just blocking a walkway or wearing a black and white Yasser Arafat styled keffiyeh is an attack. Think about those wearing a white hood and blocking walkways during integration. It is not right and the attacks are not limited to Israel in many cases. Take the recent Jerry Seinfeld harassment linked below.

     

    https://www.foxnews.com/video/6347677657112

    Tell me what you hear. Why target a Jew? He isn't Israeli. Now imagine that stuff being said to young Jewish girls going to class. Now imagine people getting in their faces and screaming as they walk. It has no place in America.

     

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  16. 52 minutes ago, texifornia said:

    Hah, seriously, but my camp counselors growing up were usually UNR (or Chico State) students and they definitely tried to hit the lake most weekends.

    Quick detour but I would think Chico State kids would go to Lake Oroville. It is basically right next to Chico and while not pretty, it is much warmer than Tahoe. I used to live in the Bay Area and I don't recall seeing many people actually get in the water in Tahoe. A few people would take quick dips while laying out at the beach and a few boaters and paddle boarders would be on the water but mainly the lake seemed pretty open, especially compared to all the Texas lakes.

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