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Posts posted by Gidnik
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SOURCES: Florida State exploring leaving ACC for new conference
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26 minutes ago, n64ra said:
Using 2025 numbers, I have
- SEC: 16
- Big 10: 16
- ACC: 14
- Big 12: 12
- Pac-12: 10
- Notre Dame
For a total of 69 teams. The five to dump (just thinking football) are what? Wake Forest, Rutgers, Kansas, Duke, Syracuse?
i really think that notre dame gets left out without joining a conference.
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Ross Delling says reports that serious talks between the pac and big 12 are one way.
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8 hours ago, Vertigo said:
Stanford is the only school to have fully endowed their athletics program including football. They have the largest overall endowment of any non ivy league school. They give no shits about anything having to do with money. They get to keep their pomp, pretense, and ivory tower thinking and get applauded by other people with no concept of earning money.
bullshit.
QuoteLast summer, this abrupt change by Stanford seemed implausible, particularly when the university repeatedly told the cut teams that the decision was final and that there would be no way the programs could fight for their own existence. Many athletes said they doubted the university’s reasoning for the cuts being a financial one. Stanford had a $28.9 billion endowment as of August, but officials said that money was earmarked for other things. It projected a $70 million deficit over the next three years if the 11 teams were not dumped.
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3 minutes ago, Steamboat1874 said:
I don't know why this is so hard.
There should be 4 each 16 team conferences (64 teams) in D1 football.
Each conference has 2 each 8 team divisions.
because youre talking about more money than some small third world countries have.
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https://theathletic.com/news/big-12-pac-12/xr0KkM54sW9e/
QuoteThe Big 12 is in “serious” talks with six Pac-12 members, sources told The Athletic. Those schools are Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Oregon, Utah and Washington, sources said.
It’s unclear how long it would take for the Big 12 to secure a deal on expansion efforts. Sources expressed optimism that new Big 12 commissioner Brett Yormark, hired last week, can pull it off.
The Pac-12, despite losing two flagship schools in USC and UCLA last week, is “not panicked,” a source told The Athletic. One option for the Pac-12 is to form a partnership with the ACC, so both conferences don’t fall too far behind the SEC and Big Ten in terms of annual revenue.
Another factor is what Oregon and Washington might do. A former Pac-12 administrator put it in simple terms Tuesday: Oregon and Washington trump anything the Big 12 can offer.
QuoteThe reverberations from USC and UCLA exiting the Pac-12 for the Big Ten continue. The Big 12 intends to position itself to scoop up the most desirable remaining Pac-12 members, turning the tables on how things stood a year ago. The Pac-12 will enact its own plan, but, perhaps most importantly, can it hold on to Oregon and Washington? Meanwhile, questions loom at the national level. While all eyes are on what Notre Dame will do, what’s there to make of North Carolina? The Athletic staff dives into the latest realignment developments.
The Big 12 has been given an unexpected opportunity to strengthen its position among the Power 5 conferences. Its new commissioner doesn’t want to waste it. The league is having “serious” talks with six Pac-12 schools — Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Oregon, Utah and Washington — and is determined to move quickly, sources told The Athletic. Big 12 commissioner Brett Yormark, hired just last week, has been described as “super aggressive” by one source and has the backing of the Big 12 presidents and chancellors to pursue the addition of Pac-12 members.
It’s unclear just how quickly the Big 12 could get a deal done on its expansion efforts, but those sources expressed optimism that Yormark can pull it off. CBS Sports first reported the Big 12 was in discussions about adding multiple Pac-12 schools.
Arizona and Arizona State have long been considered logical fits for the Big 12 if those schools ever had interest in exiting the Pac-12. But USC and UCLA bolting to the Big Ten has the Big 12 dreaming bigger. It’s also eyeing Utah, the Pac-12’s football champion in 2021, and Colorado, a Big Eight and Big 12 member until 2011.
i wonder how long it will take to get some real news to pop up.
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and then there is this lol
https://theathletic.com/news/big-12-pac-12/xr0KkM54sW9e/
QuoteThe Big 12 is in “serious” talks with six Pac-12 members, sources told The Athletic. Those schools are Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Oregon, Utah and Washington, sources said.
It’s unclear how long it would take for the Big 12 to secure a deal on expansion efforts. Sources expressed optimism that new Big 12 commissioner Brett Yormark, hired last week, can pull it off.
The Pac-12, despite losing two flagship schools in USC and UCLA last week, is “not panicked,” a source told The Athletic. One option for the Pac-12 is to form a partnership with the ACC, so both conferences don’t fall too far behind the SEC and Big Ten in terms of annual revenue.
Another factor is what Oregon and Washington might do. A former Pac-12 administrator put it in simple terms Tuesday: Oregon and Washington trump anything the Big 12 can offer.
For more on what’s going on with the Big 12 and Pac-12 conferences, read the full story in the Go Deeper section below.
QuoteThe reverberations from USC and UCLA exiting the Pac-12 for the Big Ten continue. The Big 12 intends to position itself to scoop up the most desirable remaining Pac-12 members, turning the tables on how things stood a year ago. The Pac-12 will enact its own plan, but, perhaps most importantly, can it hold on to Oregon and Washington? Meanwhile, questions loom at the national level. While all eyes are on what Notre Dame will do, what’s there to make of North Carolina? The Athletic staff dives into the latest realignment developments.
The Big 12 on the offensive?
The Big 12 has been given an unexpected opportunity to strengthen its position among the Power 5 conferences. Its new commissioner doesn’t want to waste it.
The league is having “serious” talks with six Pac-12 schools — Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Oregon, Utah and Washington — and is determined to move quickly, sources told The Athletic. Big 12 commissioner Brett Yormark, hired just last week, has been described as “super aggressive” by one source and has the backing of the Big 12 presidents and chancellors to pursue the addition of Pac-12 members.
It’s unclear just how quickly the Big 12 could get a deal done on its expansion efforts, but those sources expressed optimism that Yormark can pull it off. CBS Sports first reported the Big 12 was in discussions about adding multiple Pac-12 schools.
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34 minutes ago, LTtxfan said:
i wonder if this is just more of dennis dodd not knowing what the fuck is going on or if everything is really moving this fast
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WVU President Says, ‘I Would Not Be Surprised To See The Big 12 Expand’
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1 hour ago, mdmost said:
Interesting. Let's hope that happens. I think the Pac 12 is smart to try to beat the Big 12 to the punch on a new deal. And Fox or ESPN would be better served to get the deal over and done with, forcing the other to take the scraps.
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1 minute ago, CleverNickname said:
If PAC steals part of Big12 (if WA and OU are joined with little brother and stay), is there is a chance TCU and Baylor get screwed?
one can always hope
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I’m so glad I’m off this week
https://regents.cu.edu/events/2022/07/05/special-board-meeting-executive-session-only
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1 hour ago, maninblack said:
What a dumb fucking conference that'd be
It would be about as good as they could expect.
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Nsiap
QuoteSources indicate to WildcatAuthoritythat there will be significant discussions centered around Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado and Utah making their way to the soon-to-be-altered Big 12 Conference.
“Most of the conversations that have taken place within member schools have not dealt with saving the Pac-12, but rather where else the schools could end up,” WildcatAuthority wrote. “This is all a fluid situation and things can change, but the general belief is that the Pac-12 will be difficult to save. Oregon and Washington are both actively looking to get out of the conference, Stanford is rumored to be a serious candidate to join the Big 10 with Notre Dame, and the other conferences such as the Mountain West don't have the market impact to keep the Pac-12 as a serious conference."
Looks like the big 12 is the cat with unlimited lives
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1 hour ago, TKthunder2 said:
You think the Big Ten and SEC will give a playoff spot to another conference. The SEC commissioner warned them not to turn down the playoff deal. I doubt they leave any open spots for the PAC/MWC/B12/AAC/MAC/ACC/SBC.
Which is why nd will join as a full member of either the big 10 or the sec
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Cross posting but it’s a good read by wilner
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17 hours ago, Satchel said:
The Texas brain trusts should have waited a year before counting the new money. Could have been a member of the higher brow B1G instead of the Clampett Conference.
fuck off with ann arbor in november
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im not sure if this guy knows what hes talking about or not but this sounds awful.
https://www.johncanzano.com/p/canzano-pac-12-gut-punch-comes-with
QuoteIn the hours after USC and UCLA defected to the Big Ten Conference, most of us wondered what would happen to what was left of the Pac-12 Conference.
Not Bob Thompson.
The former president of Fox Sports Networks found himself thinking about the Pac-12’s media rights negotiations. It’s a world he worked in for 25 years. Thompson, a University of Oregon graduate, started penciling out what losing the Los Angeles designated-market area (DMA) did to the Pac-12’s media value.
“They just lost their largest TV market in LA and ostensibly lost San Diego, Santa Barbara, and Palm Springs DMA’s as well,” Thompson said.
Prior to the desertion, Thompson anticipated the Pac-12 would land a deal in the neighborhood of $500 million per-year average over the course of the contract. That assumed an offering of games similar to what the Pac-12 sold Fox and ESPN in their current agreement.
“I guess you could take a run at adding San Diego State, UNLV, Air Force, Boise State, San Jose State or Fresno State to the Pac-12,” he said, “but none of those markets really move the meter from a television standpoint.”
The new estimated valuation: ~$300 million per year.
Essentially, a fiscal gut punch.
Thompson spent nine years as the president of Fox Sports Networks. He negotiated multiple rights agreements with the Big Ten, Big 12, Pac-12 and ACC. He believes Fox is now “an unlikely bidder” on the Pac-12’s rights. Thompson expects Fox to go all-in on the Big Ten, perhaps offloading some games to CBS in football and basketball but not to the extent that it shared the current package with ESPN.
“Fox was probably pretty ticked when Texas and Oklahoma announced the move to the SEC and I imagine they believe ESPN was behind it,” Thompson said. “I think the days of Fox and ESPN partnering on things like the Big 12 and Pac-12 are probably over for now.”
The Pac-12’s media rights agreements expire in 2024, the same year that USC and UCLA bolt to the Big Ten. So what are the media rights options for the Pac-12?
Assuming the conference holds together in the coming weeks, Thompson views NBC as a non-player. He said CBS might be interested in the Pac-12, but would probably prefer picking up some Big Ten games. Turner has been kicking the tires on college football. It could be a potential partner for the Pac-12 — but only if Turner doesn’t first win a piece of the Big Ten.
That would likely leave ESPN/ABC to carry the bulk of the Pac-12 inventory.
“But they are certainly not going to overpay,” Thompson said.
Pac-12 commissioner George Kliavkoff told me a couple of weeks ago that he expected the majority of the conference’s college football games would be carried on traditional television. He studied the exclusive streaming deal MLS cut with Apple, but said he expected the conference’s Tier 1 rights — the core games — would again end up with a network or a major cable provider.
Kliavkoff said the rest of the content, currently carried on the Pac-12 Networks, might be a candidate to end up with a streaming partner.
Said Thompson: “I would surmise that the Pac-12 Networks are pretty much going to be a shadow of their former selves. Think one feed instead of seven. A good portion of the programming on a streamer such as ESPN+ or something like it.”
Big Ten math led to USC and UCLA defection
The Big Ten will expand to 16 teams when the addition of USC and UCLA becomes official in 2024. The conference’s $1 billion-a year television deal will presumably be shared equally among the members.
Thompson said the Big Ten’s decision to add two Los Angeles-based universities was rooted in a simple math equation. The 14 existing conference members know they’ll receive approximately $71.4 million per university under the new Fox deal. Adding two more partners only made sense if they could generate a minimum of $143 million in additional distributable revenue.
“To get there you could assume that the bulk of the 5.2 million pay TV homes in LA, San Diego, Palm Springs and Santa Barbara become inner-market Big Ten Network subscribers,” he said. “That will add significant affiliate revenue for the network.”
Adding Southern California to the portfolio increases the Big Ten’s core TV households by 25 percent. The result is additional advertising revenue for the Big Ten Network, Fox Broadcast Network and FS1 as well.
Said Thompson: “That should all be enough to convince Fox that the additional rights fees are worthwhile.”
Oregon and Washington leave questions for Big Ten
The Big Ten appears focused on trying to lure Notre Dame into the fold right now. After that, Oregon and Washington may be of interest to the Big Ten. However, Thompson estimated that those two Pac-12 universities, along with the Oregon and Washington television markets, would only generate an additional $60 million in combined additional revenues.
It’s good money, but well shy of the $143 million breakeven for the Big Ten.
It doesn’t kill the possibility of Oregon and Washington following USC and UCLA into the conference. It just means that the Big Ten members have two options if they’re going to do it: A) Be OK with about $6 million less annually to have UO and UW in the house; or B) Welcome Oregon and Washington, but inform the newcomers that they won’t get full distributions for a while.
Perhaps this is where Nike founder and long-time Oregon mega-booster Phil Knight might factor. He has ties to ESPN. I wonder if Knight might convince that network to make an investment in the Pac-12 and position the conference to raid the Big 12. Under that scenario the Pac-12 would survive and become the country’s No. 3 conference. Or maybe Knight would simply subsidize the Oregon-Washington entry into the Big Ten.
The events of the last few days left the Pac-12’s future in doubt. I can’t help but wonder about the conference’s woeful decision under former commissioner Larry Scott in late 2018 to reject ESPN’s offer to extend their current media rights deal and take over management and distribution of the Pac-12 Networks. That deal would have extended into the 2030s and locked USC and UCLA into the conference.
At the time Scott said he thought it was best to wait to the end of the current deal. He didn’t want the conference to miss out on what might be a much larger windfall in the next round of media rights negotiations. Now, the Pac-12 finds itself in a scramble.
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https://www.johncanzano.com/p/canzano-pac-12-gut-punch-comes-with
QuotePrior to the desertion, Thompson anticipated the Pac-12 would land a deal in the neighborhood of $500 million per-year average over the course of the contract. That assumed an offering of games similar to what the Pac-12 sold Fox and ESPN in their current agreement.
“I guess you could take a run at adding San Diego State, UNLV, Air Force, Boise State, San Jose State or Fresno State to the Pac-12,” he said, “but none of those markets really move the meter from a television standpoint.”
The new estimated valuation: ~$300 million per year
Yikes



Realignment talk not going away
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i didnt. playing oregon state or washington state at 11 pm was absolute shit. there is not 1 school out there that i want to see us play every year.