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  1. 1 hour ago, LCHorn said:

    I’m wasn’t trying to recount the history, however accurately you might have described it.  What matters is the perception amongst some African American families that OU opened a door closed to them in Austin, and UT still needs to overcome that perception 50 years later. 

    Sure. But, the reason why the perception lasts is that OU and others gleefully repeat it, and Longhorns sorrowfully admit that our forebears fell short and share our regret. The truth is-OU may have been a little better in some areas, and worse in others, and if Texas needs to apologize to anyone it sure isn’t the Sooners. 

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  2. On 4/10/2024 at 2:34 PM, LCHorn said:

    I’ll tell you one other thing they still do-they remind (or don’t have to) the families of African Americans players that they integrated before UT* and African American cultural groups occupy a key part of campus life in way they just don’t at UT.  I don’t think it’s even based on number of students, but it’s a factor for AA families from north Texas.  
     

    *I actually think they officially desegregated around the same time but UT didn’t make much effort to make AA feel welcome and it might just be a historical accident they found a home at OU and they had kind of a first to market advantage.  All of this is far less surprising, to me, than anyone from that community looking at A&M and thinking “this place feels welcoming.”

    Eeeeeehhhhh,…would it shock you to learn that the idea that OU was advanced and enlightened on race relations, much more than Texas, is largely a myth? Promoted by OU (with all of the SWC schools ready to jump in and bash Texas)?

    When most schools integrated, there was a usual pattern. They get their first African American recruit, and another or two the next year, and increasingly more, the trending generally up. 
     
    OU integrated with Prentice Gauntt, in the mid ‘50s. In the early ‘60s, they resegregated for the same reason they integrated- they felt it made their team better. They thought they were losing recruits from Texas, so they stopped recruiting African Americans for a few years. They started up again as the SWC integrated. 
     
    Texas? It was the first school in the SWC to integrate athletics, starting in track. Note- the AD who made that decision was one Darrell Royal, and he was trying to integrate football, too. 
     

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  3. Two thoughts:

    1. M2 conference teams have different challenges. They have to sift through more players (entrants and exiters) and with less staff than P2 programs. Fans should encourage different approaches as they seek something that works. 
    2. Not my monkey, not my circus. 

  4. The way it fell apart deserves to be retold. 
     
    The Ags won the SWC three years in a row. When SMU got the death penalty, their boosters hired PIs to investigate the other schools, listing every possible violation. Texas got pegged with minor stuff, and cooperated with the NCAA, even self-reporting violations discovered in the internal investigation that the NcAA knew nothing about. 
     
    The Ags resisted. They reported their internal investigation showed everything was on the up and up. Mind you- Sherrill was HC and also the AD. The NCAA hit them with penalties more severe than Texas’. 
     
    A year later, a former player for the Ags, a FB from Georgia, named George Smith, told the Ags that he needed money, and if he didn’t get it, he would talk. The Ags sent a FedEx envelope to him with $20k cash. He opened that envelope in the presence of a Dallas Morning News reporter. 
     
    The Ags responded to the scandal by flying Smith to B/CS, where he recanted (he later said he was paid for that, too). The NCAA threw their hand up and said they could not tell fact from fiction. 
     
    TAMU had a president, William Mobley, who was not an Aggie. Mobley, with the aid of UT, was trying to get TAMU into the prestigious AAC. Mobley convinced his Board that Sherrill had to go, that if he wasn’t fired, Mobley would resign. 
     
    They let Sherrill go, something the hard core Ags have regretted ever since. 

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  5. He really did start to build the Ags into something. There were three pillars to his Ag program. 
    1. Install a pro style offense and let Slocum run his defense. 
    2. Rather than resist the hokey, anachronistic Aggie tradition and mythology, lean heavily into it. He quickly realized that the Ags in power slopped that shit up and couldn’t get enough of it, so he gave it to them by the bucket. He made a KO team out of walk ons and called it “the 12th Man” squad. He whooped and hollered at yell practices like he invented it. And he HATED tee-you. 
    3. He bought players like a SOB, having the Ags up (down?) there with SMU and OU. 
     
    He had success. I would rate the importance of the above noted program pillars as 3,1,2. The Ags would claim the importance rank was 2,1,3. 
     
    Boomer Ag fans love Sherrill like no other coach, because he won, and he preached that Aggie BS like no other coach before or since. Not even Gene Stallings could out-Ag Sherrill, and he actually is an Ag. He is the coach that they have yearned forever since. 

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  6. Jackie Sherrill is one weird dude. Back in the ‘80s, before an Ag Cotton Bowl appearance, the (now defunct) Dallas Times Herald did a long piece on him. They related this story-
     
    He was a HS football star in Boloxi. There was a girl in HS that he liked, but wasn’t really interested in him. Sherrill became a college football star at Alabama, and invited that girl to Tuscaloosa, to be his date for a football weekend- go to the game, attend postgame parties, and so on. She accepted. 
     
    He left her alone the entire time. No ticket for the game, escorting to parties. As she prepared to return home, he met her and made the point that she really screwed up by not being nicer in high school. The whole weekend experience was about settling a score. 
     
    Sherrill is one weird dude. 

  7. 2 hours ago, Mr. Mojo Risin' said:

    You guys don't like ketch and OB?

    (/s for the slow ones)

    Confession- I have been online, following the Longhorns, since 1996, on Austin360, Netscape on a Unix box at work. 
     
    In almost 28 years, I have never read or heard anything that made me think I needed to check out Geoff Ketchum or Orangebloods. 
     
    I have read people post that the non-football discussion is good; that just isn’t compelling enough. 

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  8. Maybe a lot of it depends upon where you are as a fan. 25 years ago, I would have been a lot more interested in following the whole recruiting season as prospects appear, and then sign with Texas or a rival. Now, I only care about the top handful of prospects, maybe a local kid or big national guy.  
     
    If it’s choosing between a podcast discussing Junior Day invites or the radio, I’m probably going with the latter. I probably enjoy the retrospective content more than some of y’all. 

  9. As for the theory “maybe he was covering for his son?”- the DNA evidence is what establishes OJ as the killer. He did it. 
     
    If the case had occurred after a few years of NCIS, the jury would not have dismissed it as readily, but it wasn’t as familiar to them, then, as it is now. 

    Oh, well. It’s a travesty that he got away with it. I look at it as a crossroads in US race relations- the day that showed a rich Black guy could get away with murder just like rich white guys had been doing for decades (see Cullen Davis for a good example). 

  10. I went to a HS math tournament in Auburn back in 1979 (I was at Spencer HS in Columbus, GA). Gave me a sense of familiarity watching the 1983 UT-Auburn game on a 19” screen in ‘84. My only memory of that game was Jerry Gray stretching out to make an interception on the right sideline that was a better catch than any Longhorn has made in the last five years. Bo Jackson was just becoming a “thing”, so him doing fuck-all never really registered. 

  11. I’ve been subscribing to OTF and IT. Observations:

    Their casts align fairly well:

    Ringleader- Burton (OTF), Nahlin (IT). Burton is a more adept host. Who gives more information? Quicker? May be a matter of opinion. 
     
    Ex-player- Babers (OTF), Kelson (IT). Again, a matter of taste. Babers has radio experience, but Kelson has a ten times better speaking voice. Babers, I feel, has a need to fill empty space that Kelson doesn’t. I prefer Kelson; even though he is never asked to carry a show, he usually provides real insights as the talk comes to him. 
     
    Ex coach- Ervin (OTF), Shipley (OTF), Williams (IT). Frankly, I find none of them a must listen. I do enjoy Bobby talking with Ervin during the season. 
     
    Cub reporter- CJ Vogel (OTF), Joe Cook (IT). I find Cook a better listen. YMMV

     Recruiting Ace-Hamilton (OTF), Wells (IT). Hamilton seems to bring more, and has a better delivery. Wells? I get it. He’s a “dawg” and he’s from East Texas. Got it. 
     
    Does OTF have anyone like Boyd and Wadlington? I can’t find them, if they do. I like Boyd, when paired with Kelson or Wadlington. Wadlington pairs well with most everyone else. His “Everyone Gets a Trophy” podcast is a must listen, for me. 
     
    I think we’re lucky that we have both channels. I “subscribe” (Apple podcast- my $9.95 is IT) to both, and listen, primarily based on who is talking. If it’s CJ and Babers, I’m out. If it’s Wells and Williams, I’m out. 

  12. 5 hours ago, closetojumping said:

    I wasn't responding regarding you. Like I said, advanced stats have their place in CFB, but I don't think that place is in player to player comparisons, since that's doable without the statistical noise and the sides will either find common ground or what fans do and keep arguing. Same for the gameday stuff. Sometimes, the coach shouldn't give a shit about national statistics for FG probability at a certain point in the game dimming the positive eventual outcome and just realize that you're fucking playing OU, you have their offense on the ropes, kick the FG and make them comeback by 3 scores with 8 minutes on the clock. 

    Yeah, it’s great that coaches now understand that Expected Value is a “thing” for decisions. Next, let’s teach Sark the basics of binomial stats and option trees and we’ll all be better off. 

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  13. Ok, this is a guilty pleasure. There is an OU podcast from their On3 site. I occasionally check their synopsis/schedule to see if there is any to listen to. It’s been fun, because they are struggling in this new era of NIL and portal transfers. Evidently, Royal was right when he said that if Texas ever started buying players, other schools couldn’t keep up. There is a running theme about how unfair that other programs “tamper” to get theirs to transfer, that Venables is too honorable to buy players. 
     
    Whatever gets you through the night, I guess. 
     
    Anyeay, this is worth listening to, from the 20 minute to the 40 minute mark. 
     
    https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/oklahoma-sooners-unofficial-40/id1114209557?i=1000652074369

    The podcasters report that Jackson Arnold is looking rough, which is a problem, because their hopes all depend on him being terrific, and right away. 
     
    These are the factors and variables they have to kick around…

    -could Arnold not be ready yet (it being unthinkable that he won’t be all that)?

    -could the OL suck? Or maybe it needs more time to gel?

    -The Mich State transfer, Brown, is running with the second team, and they were really counting on him. That’s not supposed to happen!

    -will there be more OL (especially a center) in the portal?

    -Maybe the defense is just amazing?

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  14. Yep. The Ag give mind has mistaken the correlation of a once top 10-ish team falling to 8-4 consistency and the simultaneous end of their bonfire tradition, with causation. If the damned logs had fallen in 1984, not a one of them would be clamoring to bring it back. 

  15. On local WFAA news last night, they had a story about this. No mention of the school’s culpability in that outrageously operated enterprise, just comments about how it means too much to let it go. 
     
    Those assholes are going to bring it back. For 25 years, my stance has been “Do what you want, if you just leave the University of Texas out of it”. But, they can’t, because it is all about the University of Texas. 

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