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  1. 3 hours ago, Bartles said:

    The Process DID work, they just fucked up some of the picks, and had the misfortune of two overall No 1's who for whatever reason completely lost their will to play the sport. Even with all that, the Jimmy Butler team was right there with the Kawhi Raptors and were good enough to win the trophy. A couple other teams, including last year, were maybe Finals worthy but wouldn't have won it.

    Some fans here in Philly complained at the time, but they actually built a very loyal following both for "Process guys" like Covington and McConnell, along with the new draft picks (even Fultz and Ben). The fans feel more fucked over by the NBA for forcing Hinkie out and sticking us with Colangelo.

    By now, be it karma or whatever, the wheels are off and there is no competent leadership. The owners have been distracted by Fanatics, crypto/NFT/metaverse, the Redskins and now trying to build a new arena. Embiid remains a great player and hilarious troll. But he and the team are headed for some down years.

    I guess we have different definitions of "work" but I disagree.     Not even making the ECF is not a success.  They got one franchise player out of all those picks and even he either flames out or peters out every yr when they need him most.  What good is getting the picks if your scouting is shit and you waste them?   The Fultz pick was especially bad. 

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  2. 1 hour ago, Mitch Cumsteen said:

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    I actually like the Sixers franchise. I've never actively rooted against them. I absolutely adored Dr. J and always pulled for them against the Celtics. Andrew Toney, Darryl Dawkins, Mo Cheeks, etc. Those teams were epic. Charles Barkley was absolutely one of my favorite players of all time -- he played with such a ferocity, I couldn't help be a fan. I loved watching Iverson play -- tough as nails and gave everything he had to the game. And I really like Embiid. He's a fantastic player and he seems like a good, funny dude. That's a great, historic franchise. One of the most storied in the league.

    But the Process was a horrible afront to basketball and to sports in general. I certainly get going through a rebuilding job and not being competitive for a year or two, but they deserve every last bit of karmic blow back that they get. Fuck them for trying to game the system and what they tried to do to the competitive landscape of the league. It was reprehensible what they did to their fans. I hope it serves as a cautionary tale for any other franchise that tries to pull that lame bullshit.

    Oh yeah the Sixers history has been incredible.  Doc, Moses, Barkley and on to Iverson lives completely separate for me.   

     

    Since Hinkie started "the Process" I've rooted for nothing but their complete failure.   I've always HATED tanking so the tanking on steroids bullshit was horrible for the NBA.    As bad as it was from a competition standpoint, the overall embrace as the best way to build a team by so many respected talking heads made it even worse.

    Further, I'm generally extremely "anti-hater" but over these last few yrs Embiid's unparalleled bitchassness has made me enjoy their failure more than any team I've ever known.  I hate them for making me a hater LOL

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  3. 10 minutes ago, Mitch Cumsteen said:

    NBA news is slow right now and probably will be until training camp, but this Harden / Philly thing bears watching.

    https://sports.yahoo.com/nba-reportedly-launches-inquiry-into-james-hardens-comments-about-76ers-daryl-morey-142223868.html

    Gee NBA, ya think? Really, Morey and Harden skirted the rules? Does anybody really believe a team-first winner like Harden was going to sacrifice a nickel because he actually wanted to win? It's going to turn into another Ben Simmons like shit show once camp starts, almost assuredly. The other piece to this is Embiid and the rumblings that he wants out if they can't compete for titles. Watching Jokic win the title against his former teammate Jimmy Butler while he sat on his couch with his MVP trophy had to hurt. I will laugh hysterically if the NBA docks them draft picks and Embiid begs out. They are going to have to re-process the process. 

    No franchise deserves this fate more than the Sixers.     Fuck the whole org

     

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  4. Dont minimize Harden doing this in China where Morey is hated for his comments a couple yrs ago.

    Morey has bent over time and time again for Harden.   As recently as May they let Harden go to Vegas in the middle of the playoffs.    He's like a spoiled child that's been given everything he has ever asked for then finally being told no.

     

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  5. 3 hours ago, Message Board User said:

     

    Pretty wild to publicly state this.   Even wilder considering how he and Morey have been over the yrs.   There is a reason you dont do "wink-wink" deals.   Shit can change and one side may back out.

    And I get athletes are always gonna think they are the shit and need to make max money but reality is with his age and history/reputation thinking that someone is going to give him full max is pretty wild.   Especially coming off another pretty spectacular flameout in the playoffs.

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  6. 11 hours ago, UpperWestside said:

    No I do not mean guaranteed. I am fully aware of what the definition of guaranteed is. The question is did the Lakers get an insurance policy on the contract in case of a catastrophic injury to Street Clothes. 

    I dont understand why someone would even worry about this.    Way too much of counting other people's money in sports today.

  7. On 7/31/2023 at 9:51 PM, SilasCoade said:

    I liked JVG. He distracted a little from the game but he never took himself seriously. If this means more Richard Jefferson I'm probably muting a lot more games.

    Same.   I thought JVG was pretty funny

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  8. 1 hour ago, Vic Mackey said:

    Wade would have withered away into the abyss if LeBron didn't decide to team up with him in Miami. Had Wade continued to be the main guy in Miami, they wouldn't have did shit and the views on him would have been much different.
     

    Wade was the one with a Finals MVP before LBJ got there.    That alone would trump Harden.

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  9. 7 hours ago, HookEm said:

    Wade also made an All Defense team 3 times. He got a ton of blocks for a guard and actually ranks top 30 in career blocks.

    I’ll take prime Wade and career Wade all day every day. I’m not actually sure I would pick prime Kobe over prime Wade if I was on a playground. Wade was a better teammate and would be much more fun to play with.

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  10. 8 minutes ago, d2o said:

    NFLPA is the worst of the players unions.   It also helps that the NFL is literally the only game in town.   If it somehow came to be a long work stoppage NBA players could go overseas and make huge money.

    EDIT:  I guess NFL players could go to Canada but I have no idea how the money compares there.

    EDIT2: Fuck that they dont make shit LOL

    The league does not make teams publicize their player salaries as the NFL does. However, it is estimated that players make between $60,000 and $100,000. The minimum salary an American or National player can make is $65,000. For Global players, that floor is set at $54,000.Nov 21, 2022

  11. 28 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

    Arguably the best RB in the NFL gets $11M/yr while Jalen Brown gets $69M in his final season.  NFL has the worst contracts by far.

    NFLPA is the worst of the players unions.   It also helps that the NFL is literally the only game in town.   If it somehow came to be a long work stoppage NBA players could go overseas and make huge money.

    EDIT:  I guess NFL players could go to Canada but I have no idea how the money compares there.

  12. 15 minutes ago, SilasCoade said:

    30 teams each offering max deals to two guys means 60 guys make 2/3 of the money, while 300 guys are splitting the other 1/3. On average that's going to mean stars make as much as the entire rest of the roster, and in practice means they're making 40+ times the guys on the minimum. I'm about narrowing that gap. 

    But why?

  13. 1 hour ago, SilasCoade said:

    I'm totally in favor of players in general making more. And I don't actually care about the absolute number. So if Brown gets $60M/year, good for him. My only issue is in the context of team and league management. If you have a salary cap but designate 60% of that cap to 2 players the majority of players end up getting screwed. Raise the % of revenue given to players, raise the minimum salaries, cap the owners take from league-wide TV deals and ticket sales but let them take whatever they want from team-oriented (i.e., not player specific) merchandise and local TV deals.

     

    And FWIW I know there is no universe in which owners will agree to something like that. They have almost all the leverage and therefore can dictate the terms. I'm strictly dreaming about my God-Emperor status.

    Meh, not really.   There are still 29 other teams that they can get money from (see Fred Van Vleet or any number of fringe guys getting big paydays).   

    How does raising the % of revenue given to players make things better?   Are you suggesting that they are able to give certain players money that doesnt count toward the cap?  

  14. 16 minutes ago, SilasCoade said:

    You're making an assumption that every above replacement level player deserves a max contract here. In the universe where I'm God-Emperor of the NBA there are like 6 guys eligible for a max contract and that max is no more than 10x the vet minimum per year. There would also be no limit on duration of guaranteed deals. So guys who want to prioritize stability and security could sign for 10 years at 70% of the max and still come out ahead without worrying about injuries derailing their next contract. All salaries would also be relative to the current cap for a given year, so a max contract isn't $40M/yr when signed and $40M/yr when the cap has grown and the max would be $60M/yr. The max is something like X % of the cap with a minimum floor of Y millions per year.

    Not assuming that they deserve it.   I know for certain that any All-NBA level player will ask for it.   That is the nature of time with max deals.   Every best player (or even 2nd best in most cases) will expect it.  Their teams will more than likely have to give it because most are over the cap and losing players for nothing doesn't free cap room.   More importantly, they have the money to spend.   The league is making money hand over fist and will soon be up for another massive raise with the next TV deal.

    As far as the contract durations go, that was another thing that owners fought for.   They used to be able to go much longer and then they complained about having to pay guys yrs after they were useful or even on their teams .     Further, people already complain about guys dogging it when they have guaranteed deals.    Can you imagine how much worse that would be if a guy was in say yr 5 of a 10 yr guaranteed deal??

    People just get too caught up with how much players make.  If Brown can make 60M/yr how much is the guy that pays him and 14 other guys?   No one seems to have a problem with how much money owners make but I guess that is another conversation.  I really hate that player salaries became public information but that is EXACTLY what owners wanted and its worked incredibly well.

  15. 3 hours ago, Juicy said:

    Yeah this contract just blows my mind. I like Brown but he will NEVER be the best player on a championship team, so thats a lot of money to give to a "role player"

    Browns contract is DOUBLE what Booker got and 90 million more than what Luka got. That shit is INSANE.

    He was the next max deal up.    The next max deal guy will get more.   Just like in football when the next QB is highest paid player.

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  16. 3 hours ago, Blotto said:

    Its hard for me to say what Brown is worth, because shitty contracts are everywhere in that league, but in what universe does Jaylen Brown deserve the biggest contract in the league. These fucking owners/GMs just cant help themselves. 

    Meh, its a max deal.   I mean I guess they could have tried to give him 4 yrs but that was the advantage that owners wanted in giving the fifth yr.   If they offer 4 then he can say fuck yall and get the same on the open market.

  17. 49 minutes ago, SilasCoade said:

    I can't believe these kinds of deals are still getting done. That's Bradley Beal level bad for sure.

    Owners wanted to cap contracts.   This is the result of the max level contract scale.

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